Russia/Ukraine from Another Perspective (Relaunch Part Deux)

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

Friendly reminder posting a tweet inline with the purpose of the thread is not an endorsement of the tweet being linked.



Problem is that for folks in Calif, their taxes are going to both. Probably worked out a back door scheme to get the federal government to fund it and newsome takes the credit. .
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Some will celebrate this, surely.

Forbes: "Not clear what Ukraine is doing with M1 tanks."

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It's been two months since ex-American M-1s tanks arrived in Ukraine. And two months since we've seen any evidence of the tanks.
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Ukraine is not engaged in a major offensive at this time so it make sense not to use abrams in a purely defensive role at this time.
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You love to see it.
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How long until Ukraine ceases to be a viable country without US taxpayer support?

What's their nut and how long will that last?
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USA taxpayer got a high-maintinence wife and two baby mommas on the payroll now with Israel and Ukraine.

That's ok though. Just got my Turbotax login sorted out and about to get after it.
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McConnell gets it.

SELF-INTEREST
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Then go fight bud. No one will stop you.
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That's the point, this is all being done without shedding one drop of American blood. Pay attention.
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"Of course, this isn't a debate about abstract principles or philanthropy. The United States isn't arming Ukraine out of a sense of charity. We are backing a fellow democracy because it is in our direct interest to do so."

Oh did they finally schedule an election?
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

How long until Ukraine ceases to be a viable country without US taxpayer support?

What's their nut and how long will that last?
Weeks, maybe. They have stated they have no plan B to Biden Bucks:
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Ukraine is considering no alternative to securing stalled U.S. military assistance for its war against Russia and is confident the U.S. Congress will give its approval to release the aid, Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said on Wednesday.

"We don't have a plan B. We are confident in plan A," Kuleba told CNN in an interview.
Further, they face increasingly long odds, as it frankly becomes a numbers game quickly now;
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The military and economic balance in war has shifted strongly against Ukraine, and it is very hard to see how this tendency can now be reversed. There is still time for Ukraine to win a qualified victory against Russia; but only if the United States commits itself strongly to a compromise peace.

Russia's population is at least four times that of Ukraine, and its GDP is 14 times greater. Western attempts to cripple Russia through economic sanctions have failed. The Russian economy grew by around three percent in 2023, as a result of increased energy exports to non-Western countries and a massive and successful effort to invest in military industrial production. Ukraine is making desperate attempts to boost its own military production, but from a far lower industrial base coupled with an acute shortage of skilled labor.

The Biden administration is therefore correct to warn that without continued and massive U.S. military aid to Ukraine, Russia will quickly win. It is however equally clear that U.S. aid still less at the levels sustained to date cannot be guaranteed even in the medium term. Partly due to the new U.S. commitment to Israel created by the Gaza war and the threat of it spreading, the United States is also failing adequately to replenish Ukraine's dwindling stocks of air-defense missiles, which are crucially important both on the battlefield and in the protection of Ukrainian infrastructure and industry. Both the United States and Europe are failing to meet their targets for increased production of artillery shells, which Russia is firing at some three to five times the Ukrainian rate.

And even if the West could vastly increase its military production (highly doubtful given the pressure on Western budgets, supply chain problems, and skilled labor shortages), we cannot provide Ukraine with more soldiers. Ukrainian manpower shortages are becoming increasingly acute, and are leading to increasingly draconian conscription measures and bitter disputeswithin the Ukrainian government over how to enforce conscription, which is faltering in the face of growing public resistance.

Following the failure of last year's Ukrainian counteroffensive, the Biden administration and the Ukrainian government and military have all shifted to a defensive strategy, including trying to fortify Ukraine's long northern border with Russia and Belarus. This region has been quiet since Moscow withdrew its troops in the spring for 2022, after the failure of its initial invasion from the north. However, Russia's growing advantage in numbers means that at some point in future, its army may be able to attack again along this front.

While smart, and even if successful in the short term, a strategy of standing indefinitely on the defensive has two colossal disadvantages for Ukraine. Politically, it brings with it the obvious implication that Russia will go on holding the areas it now controls. This being so, more and more Ukrainians and Westerners will obviously begin to call for a compromise peace. The danger is that if we leave this too long, the balance will have shifted so decisively against Ukraine that Russia will have few incentives left to compromise.
No matter what the swamp (and mouthpieces in the propaganda press) says in the interim, no one is going to be excited to vote for a bill in the House sending billions to get Ukrainians/Russians killed as election season approaches.

And I know no one likes these 'inconvenient truths' (aka 'conspiracy theories') but this Biden proxy war on behalf of his paymasters (CCP-WEF) is, yes, related to compromising information about his family and many others; the ISW (MI6), CIA, Mossad etc. are all intricately involved with this conflict, and the others involving Iran etc:



As we fund Iran:



To the meat grinder of freedom!



Love is love, and we should all love the modern, Democratic forces that have nothing to do with the WEF/globalists pushing through Eastern Europe against Russia:

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74OA said:

That's the point, this is all being done without shedding one drop of American blood. Pay attention.


https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4141309-two-us-military-veterans-killed-in-drone-attack-in-ukraine/

I think you're the one that needs to pay attention
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Probably just not getting the responses he wants on the 'yay, war' thread, which is not in any way filled with posts just cheerleading Ukrainian propaganda.
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Yeah thats awfully pitiful. No one wants to cheer on his war so he shows up like they all do, with easily falsifiable information.

"No drop of American blood"

My question: was he lying or is he a victim of Uke propaganda too? If the latter, brainwashed/brain rot. Sad.
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The billions of dollars that John Kirby told us Iran would never be able to withdraw, that was only released for humanitarian purposes, was in fact withdrawn by Iran and Kirby has no idea what they used the funds on.
I think we got a pretty good idea what the funds were used for now.
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

Yeah thats awfully pitiful. No one wants to cheer on his war so he shows up like they all do, with easily falsifiable information.

"No drop of American blood"

My question: was he lying or is he a victim of Uke propaganda too? If the latter, brainwashed/brain rot. Sad.
Well, you see, not all Americans count. They can be mourned as heroic somehow, but they don't count.
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

74OA said:

That's the point, this is all being done without shedding one drop of American blood. Pay attention.


https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4141309-two-us-military-veterans-killed-in-drone-attack-in-ukraine/

I think you're the one that needs to pay attention


We really considering this the same as sending troops?
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

Yeah thats awfully pitiful. No one wants to cheer on his war so he shows up like they all do, with easily falsifiable information.

"No drop of American blood"

My question: was he lying or is he a victim of Uke propaganda too? If the latter, brainwashed/brain rot. Sad.


It's plainly obvious to anyone with a pulse that "no American blood" is in reference to us sending American troops.
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That conscription video is tough to watch and really highlights the importance of the 2nd Amendment.
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Sotero-Judges said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Yeah thats awfully pitiful. No one wants to cheer on his war so he shows up like they all do, with easily falsifiable information.

"No drop of American blood"

My question: was he lying or is he a victim of Uke propaganda too? If the latter, brainwashed/brain rot. Sad.
Well, you see, not all Americans count. They can be mourned as heroic somehow, but they don't count.


And right on cue we are told "no drop or American blood" doesn't ACTUALLY mean no drop of american blood it means something else that he couldn't have just said instead for, reasons. Absolutely pitiful.
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

That conscription video is tough to watch and really highlights the importance of the 2nd Amendment.


The 2nd amendment is that one written to arm the populace from a foreign invasion right?


If only our founders had the goodi sense to immediately surrender and save lives because fighting back would be wrong.
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

Sotero-Judges said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Yeah thats awfully pitiful. No one wants to cheer on his war so he shows up like they all do, with easily falsifiable information.

"No drop of American blood"

My question: was he lying or is he a victim of Uke propaganda too? If the latter, brainwashed/brain rot. Sad.
Well, you see, not all Americans count. They can be mourned as heroic somehow, but they don't count.


And right on cue we are told "no drop or American blood" doesn't ACTUALLY mean no drop of american blood it means something else that he couldn't have just said instead for, reasons. Absolutely pitiful.


Wow, you really think he didn't mean American troops
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Teslag said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Yeah thats awfully pitiful. No one wants to cheer on his war so he shows up like they all do, with easily falsifiable information.

"No drop of American blood"

My question: was he lying or is he a victim of Uke propaganda too? If the latter, brainwashed/brain rot. Sad.


It's plainly obvious to anyone with a pulse that "no American blood" is in reference to us sending American troops.


Its plainly obvious to anyone with a pule that American blood has been spilt. Sorry the facts got in the way of your college football message board machismo.
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Teslag said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

That conscription video is tough to watch and really highlights the importance of the 2nd Amendment.


The 2nd amendment is that one written to arm the populace from a foreign invasion right?


If only our founders had the goodi sense to immediately surrender and save lives because fighting back would be wrong.


You were less annoying when you couldn't stop laughing at the slaughter of Ukrainian civilians. (yesterday)
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

Teslag said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

That conscription video is tough to watch and really highlights the importance of the 2nd Amendment.


The 2nd amendment is that one written to arm the populace from a foreign invasion right?


If only our founders had the goodi sense to immediately surrender and save lives because fighting back would be wrong.


You were less annoying when you couldn't stop laughing at the slaughter of Ukrainian civilians. (yesterday)


I thought it was a flying ammo dump?
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Teslag said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Sotero-Judges said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Yeah thats awfully pitiful. No one wants to cheer on his war so he shows up like they all do, with easily falsifiable information.

"No drop of American blood"

My question: was he lying or is he a victim of Uke propaganda too? If the latter, brainwashed/brain rot. Sad.
Well, you see, not all Americans count. They can be mourned as heroic somehow, but they don't count.


And right on cue we are told "no drop or American blood" doesn't ACTUALLY mean no drop of american blood it means something else that he couldn't have just said instead for, reasons. Absolutely pitiful.


Wow, you really think he didn't mean American troops


Good rule of thumb, the one lying to you isn't the one using words that mean what they say. The propaganda you fell victim too is powerless here. And I'm not talking about the vaccine.
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We will not forget them.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/05/29/memorial-day-americans-killed-ukraine-russia-war/
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This seriously might be my new favorite reach on this thread. Even bigger than the "Russia is now stronger militarily" bit.


And after losing a $250 million piece of equivalent this week they must be super strong today.
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Teslag said:

This seriously might be my new favorite reach on this thread. Even bigger than the "Russia is now stronger militarily" bit.


And after losing a $250 million piece of equivalent this week they must be super strong today.


Lets all watch him crawfish together.

Teslag, has "a single drop of American blood" been spilt in this conflict? A simple yes or no will work.
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The Russians fielding a $250 million anti arty weapon only to have it immediately blown up by American HIMARS is the most Russian thing ever.
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

Teslag said:

This seriously might be my new favorite reach on this thread. Even bigger than the "Russia is now stronger militarily" bit.


And after losing a $250 million piece of equivalent this week they must be super strong today.


Lets all watch him crawfish together.

Teslag, has "a single drop of American blood" been spilt in this conflict? A simple yes or no will work.


No American blood has been shed in this war. Individual Americans acting on their own behalf have died in this war.
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"Only Americans in the military have American blood"
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