Russia/Ukraine from Another Perspective (Relaunch Part Deux)

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Biden needs to stfu. Maybe we do, but there is zero use being arrogant about it, especially after four years of NOT leading it.
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Not exactly a game changer.

Lots of chatter about Odessa in replies:

Two different takes about why the green goblin won't (further) lower the conscription age:

I haven't seen this broadly reported for 'some' reason:

Nato Slovakian leader Fico eager to join 'Friends of Peace' group.
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At its first ministerial meeting, the group called for an immediate end to the conflict through a settlement based on a six-point plan published by China and Brazil earlier this year. The plan, among other things, suggested a ceasefire along the current front lines, highlighted negotiations as the only way to end the conflict, and called for a peace conference that would be endorsed by both Moscow and Kiev.

According to Fico, Bratislava considers the group's plan valid and would like to help in achieving its goals.
"We offer all our modest capabilities to be able to support this plan in various forms. I am convinced that Brazil, together with China, but also other major countries, will play an extremely important role [in resolving the situation in Ukraine] so that military operations on the territory of Ukraine will stop," Fico, who is currently on an official visit to Brazil, stated at a press briefing following a meeting with the country's vice president, Geraldo Alckmin.

Fico has openly criticized Western intervention in the Ukraine conflict, and suspended Bratislava's military aid to Kiev after assuming office in 2023. Following his visit to China last month, he accused Western politicians of derailing the 2022 peace negotiations between Russia and Ukraine in Trkiye, and emphasized the need for a diplomatic solution before tensions between Russia and NATO escalate into a nuclear war.
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This was a good convo. But at the end, Gen Clark seems to troll Trump as the "self proclaimed best deal maker in the world" that needs to "end the war in 24 hours like he promised". This is first time I have seen any evidence of our deep state is motivated in fueling this conflict to set Trump up for failure.
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Keep in mind Clark wanted to run for POTUS (actually ran in a primary) as a Democrat, and was of course an abysmal failure as a 4-star commander himself in a European war, to the benefit of muslims.

Sitrep: Saint Zelensky refuses to conscript young adults.


Some demographic reality checks from BBC piece:

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The article likewise again confirms that current mobilization no longer even covers losses. Since we've seen official figures of 20-30k monthly mobilizations, we can infer losses are higher than that.
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Sources of the Ukrainian service of the BBC in the General Staff previously reported that the current rate of mobilization does not cover even losses.
BBC links to another of their own articles which showed proof that Ukraine has already been forcibly mobilizing men under 25 in many cases.
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BBC Ukraine has found out why such situations arise and under what conditions men under 25 can be mobilized.
The main conclusion is that due to legislative nuances, boys under 25 who are unfit for service in peacetime due to health problems and have documented this, can be mobilized in wartime.

There's really no point in contemplating a post-war 'marshal' plan for Ukraine in the trillions of dollars, when it (a) serves no American interest, and (b) Ukraine is now demographically doomed thanks to the Biden proxy war anyway.
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This slant is somewhat supported by an interesting portion of the opening Telegraph article, which states:
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For Kyiv, mobilising men between 18 and 24 is completely out of the question.

The age group makes up less than 10 per cent of Ukraine's population, with around two million men making up that pool.

In comparison, 25-54-year-olds constitute approximately 44 per cent of the 36.7 million population.
Think about that logically for a second: the 18-24 cohort is the smallest, yet the largest cohort of the 25-54 year olds has already run dry to the point of requiring the opening of a new tap. So if the largest one is decimated, how quickly would the smallest one face the same fate?
More at the link, as always. Oh, and meanwhile, bonus truth:
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Record Russian advances across various fronts. Russians report:
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In response to the use of American long-range weapons, Russian Armed Forces launched a massive strike with high-precision, long-range air and sea-based weapons and UAVs on critical fuel and energy infrastructure facilities in Ukraine that support the operation of the military-industrial complex,' the Defense Ministry said in a statement...
Guardian take on strikes.



Ukrainian assassinations both domestic and Russian continue. Russian attacks might leave 70 percent of Ukraine without power at this point I read, with more Oreshnik attacks expected in the next day per pentagon.
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Source: Sabrina Singh, Deputy Spokesperson for the US Department of Defense, during a briefing at the Pentagon, as reported by European Pravda
Details: The representative of the US Department of Defense recalled that Vladimir Putin had previously publicly announced his intention to carry out another launch of Oreshnik.
Quote: "It's possible that Russia could do it in the coming days. I don't have an exact date for you."
Tusk reads the electoral tea leaves:
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Is Ukraine still in Kursk? How's the Black Sea Fleet doing? How about Syria? Putin is likely to be dead in a year if this keeps up.
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docb said:

Is Ukraine still in Kursk? How's the Black Sea Fleet doing? How about Syria? Putin is likely to be dead in a year if this keeps up.
Kursk has cost them significantly, in a brilliant endeavor to divide an outnumbered army to invade tactically irrelevant territory.


The Black Sea fleet is as modern/large as ever.

Putin has apparently had their team negotiate retaining the two bases (air/navy) in Syria, not real sure why. I'd been waiting to see if it actually happens or not, but since you asked there have been lot's of rumors about it being 'close' and the markets seem to substantiate that.


Putin's popularity is as high as ever in Russia, and any successor (such as Medvedev?) would likely be a lot more harsh with respect to conduct of the SMO in Ukraine, so I am not sure what your real concern there is, but really don't care. In any case, among the oligarchs in Russia, aka Putin's pals (and Biden business partners), who are enriching themselves greatly in this war, I'd hazard a guess he is more popular than among the public.

Meanwhile, even the NYT plainly acknowledging Nato is off the table, war has to end because "Ukraine is out of troops."

And other admissions:


Oh, and Ukraine is begging five neighboring countries for electricity now, after yet another ill-advised ATACMS strike into Russia that…accomplished nothing.
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Uh Putin is begging North Korea for additional meat grinder bodies and weapons.......
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docb said:

Uh Putin is begging North Korea for additional meat grinder bodies and weapons.......
I know this is a bit but Putin is not asking for bodies. If Russia's army needed bodies, they'd be conscripting them/full mobilization, and using PMC's again. Sure, he'll take more shells, of course, seeing as they are still using something like 1.5x more than Ukraine can expend. Ukraine on the other hand is nearly daily lambasting 'allies' who are not doing enough for the green goblin.

Meanwhile, Nato sec. Gen. Mark Rutte, formerly famous for driving Dutch farmers out of business, wants Europeans to sacrifice more, pensions etc., to keep the business of war going as long as possible.



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NATO upping defense spending is now somehow a bad thing? If NATO was refusing to increase spending that would also of course be a bad thing.
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GAC06 said:

NATO upping defense spending is now somehow a bad thing? If NATO was refusing to increase spending that would also of course be a bad thing.
Nato is a substantial and growing threat to peace and freedom, and yes their WEF/Club Of Rome secretary general continuing the rhetoric about expanding the war with/on "Putin" is a bad thing, regardless of the illogical prospect of his proposal (raising spending to 3 percent of GDP for European nato members to fight Putin).

In truth, Nuland's Kiev regime faces a real choice now. The clock is ticking, and the Democrats won't be able to use Ukraine/Trump conversations as fodder for another faux impeachment.

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"NATO is a threat to peace and freedom"

In the same post as

"Russia's Dmitry Medvedev says Ukraine faces a choice to be with Russia or to disappear from the world map altogether."

Would be funny if it wasn't so disgusting.
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Only a couple posts up above someone was discussing (if not advocating) the prospect of Putin being deposed. I just don't view Nato as a 'defensive alliance' as many still do, to this day. It is a locus of resistance to Democracy and peace, not just in Ukraine but also as manifested in Romania/Georgia etc.
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NATO literally is defensive alliance and "some guy said something" doesn't give you a pass for your Russian warmongering
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GAC06 said:

NATO literally is defensive alliance and "some guy said something" doesn't give you a pass for your Russian warmongering
It may once have been a 'defensive alliance' but that clearly is not what it is today.



It is a threat to American's, both in terms of political free speech and safety (from an expansive war). The warmongering from our 'friends' in Kiev such as advocating for strikes on Moscow etc. is dangerous indeed.
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Do you believe that Russia is fighting for peace and democracy? It's a simple question and it doesn't warrant a long reply with 5 embedded tweets.
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Remember when NATO told Ukraine "join us or cease to exist"? Oh wait that was Russia. The propaganda has done something to your brain. I guess you'll keep finding some insane justification for openly rooting for an alliance of Russsia, Iran, North Korea, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc
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Teslag said:

Do you believe that Russia is fighting for peace and democracy? It's a simple question and it doesn't warrant a long reply with 5 embedded tweets.
No, I do not.
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GAC06 said:

Remember when NATO told Ukraine "join us or cease to exist"? Oh wait that was Russia. The propaganda has done something to your brain. I guess you'll keep finding some insane justification for openly rooting for an alliance of Russsia, Iran, North Korea, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc


NATO to Ukraine - "Hey we understand that you guys would like to join us so that Russia can't attack you. We'll discuss that and let you know."

Russia to Ukraine - "Become part of Russia or die."

Which one is the threat again?
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Just posted in other thread but WSJ is reporting that it looks like Russia is packing up their bases in Syria. Looks like they are exiting.

Mark Rutte is every bit as evil as Putin. F* that guy. He needs to be helicoptered.
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Russia unable to defend their interests in Syria is a good sign for the world. They're weak.
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nortex97 said:

Teslag said:

Do you believe that Russia is fighting for peace and democracy? It's a simple question and it doesn't warrant a long reply with 5 embedded tweets.
No, I do not.


Yet you're here posting their propaganda every single day
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I was out of town. What happened in Kupyansk? Only articles I can find are from before I left, when it was a headline.
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No internet where you went?
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Some things are more important
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More important than Russia liberating Ukraine from Nazis?
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GAC06 said:

More important than Russia liberating Ukraine from Nazis?


Get some help man.
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Sorry, I'll stop curating a thread justifying Russia's aggression
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GAC06 said:

Sorry, I'll stop curating a thread justifying Russia's aggression


Do you actually defend Ukraine, or just keyboard for it? You seem to put too much stock in words on the internet.
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

GAC06 said:

Sorry, I'll stop curating a thread justifying Russia's aggression


Do you actually defend Ukraine, or just keyboard for it? You seem to put too much stock in words on the internet.


I defend our country. Do you defend Russia, or just keyboard for them? You didn't think this through, as usual.
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GAC06 said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

GAC06 said:

Sorry, I'll stop curating a thread justifying Russia's aggression


Do you actually defend Ukraine, or just keyboard for it? You seem to put too much stock in words on the internet.


I defend our country. Do you defend Russia, or just keyboard for them? You didn't think this through, as usual.


Russia invaded Ukraine, not our country. What point did you think you made?
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You implied I was obligated to defend Ukraine because I'm not a Russian cheerleader like you. I actually fought for our country, and am still serving which I pointed out. Are you confused? Can I explain further?
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GAC06 said:

You implied I was obligated to defend Ukraine because I'm not a Russian cheerleader like you. I actually fought for our country, and am still serving which I pointed out. Are you confused? Can I explain further?


I'm trying to understand why your service defending our country includes defense of the most corrupt country in Europe.
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It doesn't. Maybe just reread the last few posts until you understand. Good Lord.
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GAC06 said:

It doesn't. Maybe just reread the last few posts until you understand. Good Lord.


Hold on. I think we are getting somewhere. Can you articulate why you defend the most corrupt country in Europe without mentioning Russia/Putin?
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