..if Republicans would run anti-Trump candidates this here voter fraud would go away!

I am always wrong said:

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Eventually somebody has to follow through and eject a sitting politician if this is ever going to stop.

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I hate to break it to you, but that isn't going to be enough to stop it.

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I can't tell what this really means. Lake has lost credibility since election day when it comes to these claims. Guys, this is a loser issue for conservatives unless they bring proof.

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So why don't you tell us why she lost credibility…

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So why don't you tell us why she lost credibility…

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Have you not been paying attention since election night last November when she GUARANTEED she'd win? Then guaranteed she would prevail when all votes were counted, and then lost. When you stare into the camera and promise victory, repeatedly, even though you're down in the vote totals...and then don't win you lose credibility.

She may ultimately prevail, I truly hope she does. But until a court case is won it's all bluster.

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Guess you missed the major snafus that was election day in Maricopa County.

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Oh, she let us know there was all kinds of shenanigans. Again, I hope she prevails in court. Until then, I'm not impressed with "bombshell" Twitter posts from someone that has been wrong a lot, recently.

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It won't change when the governing bodies won't look at the evidence/proof and declare fraud occurred. Without fraud being actually called fraud by these authorities, nothing will change.

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And the Judge who shut the court case down is quite happy he did before the evidence had a chance to come out.

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Truth is not dependent on court cases. There are lots of things that are true that never see the inside of a court room for many reasons. What a weird world you must live in if this is your belief.

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That was quite a leap. My point is this: 99% of people don't understand the minutiae of these cases. They lack context of what most of it means. What type of tabulator was used, or whether some ballot was folded a certain way..... If you can't win a court challenge it's hard for me to take you too seriously. AZ is not a liberal stronghold. Republicans hold statewide offices, correct? It seems likely the GOP would make a big deal if one of their candidates was cheated in plain sight. I know, I know....swamp gonna swamp.

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Daugherity.

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Past my time.

How is it a leap? You won't accept that any evidence is true unless a court case is won regarding it, by your own words. I am merely pointing out the fact that truth exists whether a court rules or not. That is a stone cold fact that you don't seem willing to accept.

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How is it a leap? You won't accept that any evidence is true unless a court case is won regarding it, by your own words. I am merely pointing out the fact that truth exists whether a court rules or not. That is a stone cold fact that you don't seem willing to accept.

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I feel like I explained myself.

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Daugherity.

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Past my time.

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I believe he said he'd been at A&M for about 30 years?

https://engineering.tamu.edu/cse/profiles/wdaugherity.html

Either win a court case or have undeniable, rock solid, smoking gun, a 5th grader could understand it PROOF. That's a "bombshell". AGAIN, I HOPE SHE WINS HER CASE. Jeesh, people, I'm on your side. Just not buying the losing candidate's claims without PROOF.

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I can't tell what this really means. Crooked leftist propagandists have gone into overdrive to slander Kari Lake since the election. Leftists are trying to convince you this is a loser issue for conservatives because they have threatened to cancel any sorry, squishy,
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FIFY

Sounds like a lawsuit is in order to force that for 2024.

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I am always wrong said:

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Eventually somebody has to follow through and eject a sitting politician if this is ever going to stop.

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I hate to break it to you, but that isn't going to be enough to stop it.

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I agree. But if it is ever going to stop, that would have to be one of the prerequisites.

DEMS!!!!

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..if Republicans would run anti-Trump candidates this here voter fraud would go away!

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If Trump backed better candidates they would win outside the margin of fraud.

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It's gibberish to you because you're upset and couldn't see the context of my post in regards to election fraud, not truth in general. Reread it.

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Knowing the truth is at the heart of the matter. It is folly to depend on courts to determine the truth. It is the court's duty to pass judgment on what it can best determine is true, it doesn't define truth itself.

Your comment conflated the two. What you stated in the comment I originally replied to, was that you would not accept anything as true unless a court decided it.

And by doing so, you attempt to discredit anyone who believes the evidence as being someone who lacks the truth because a court has not declared it so.

There are many reasons that a lot of the evidence we have seen has never been judged in court, this whole issue of standing being the one that sticks out in my mind most.

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Eventually somebody has to follow through and eject a sitting politician if this is ever going to stop.

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There is an action named quo warranto that essentially alleges an officeholder has no right to that office. It is very rarely used but it is an actual cause of action.

In AZ, the first right to bring is rests with the state AG or a County Attorney. If they refuse to act:

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Section 12-2043 - Failure of attorney general or county attorney to bring action for claimant of office

A. If the attorney general or the county attorney refuses to bring an action as provided for in sections 12-2041 and 12-2042, upon information or at the request of any person claiming such office or franchise, the person may apply to the court for leave to bring the action in his own name and may so bring it if leave therefor is granted.

B. Notice of the application shall be given to the attorney general or the county attorney as the case may be.

A.R.S. 12-2043

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Eventually somebody has to follow through and eject a sitting politician if this is ever going to stop.

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There is an action named quo warranto that essentially alleges an officeholder has no right to that office. It is very rarely used but it is an actual cause of action.

In AZ, the first right to bring is rests with the state AG or a County Attorney. If they refuse to act:

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Section 12-2043 - Failure of attorney general or county attorney to bring action for claimant of office

A. If the attorney general or the county attorney refuses to bring an action as provided for in sections 12-2041 and 12-2042, upon information or at the request of any person claiming such office or franchise, the person may apply to the court for leave to bring the action in his own name and may so bring it if leave therefor is granted.

B. Notice of the application shall be given to the attorney general or the county attorney as the case may be.

A.R.S. 12-2043

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I can't recall the plaintiff on the last case but assuming it was K Lake or her campaign. Is it possible that a new lawsuit filed by say the people of Arizona? Or how could this make its way back into the courts?

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Daugherity.

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Past my time.

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I believe he said he'd been at A&M for about 30 years?

https://engineering.tamu.edu/cse/profiles/wdaugherity.html

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I remember him! I dropped his class in Fall of 1987! His first day explanation of his class scared the **** out of me!

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Knowing the truth is at the heart of the matter. It is folly to depend on courts to determine the truth. It is the court's duty to pass judgment on what it can best determine is true, it doesn't define truth itself.

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States really need to have a special court for digital evidence issues. They have Family Law Courts, Probate Courts and the like. These judges truly do not understand the ins and outs of hardware, software and how they interact.

The judge in the much truncated Lake trial was clueless as to the gravity of what he was hearing from the expert witnesses. Hell even the Maricopa County people responsible for overseeing the election didn't know how those things worked or didn't in the instant case. Jarrett went from saying there was absolutely no possibility of a 19 inch ballot image being printed on a 20 inch ballot on day one to saying of course it was possible and had in fact happened in the three previous elections on day two. Same witness.

Maricopa County defers to Dominion and Runbeck on creating the over 12,000 distinct ballot definition files in specific pdfs for Maricopa County. That is ridiculously over complicated.

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Daugherity.

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Past my time.

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I believe he said he'd been at A&M for about 30 years?

https://engineering.tamu.edu/cse/profiles/wdaugherity.html

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I remember him! I dropped his class in Fall of 1987! His first day explanation of his class scared the **** out of me!

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Probably should have taken his class. He was very clear, concise and used layman's terms to explain eaxctly what was happening to the tabulators whether it was a printing issue with not enough ink or problems with the side and top and bottom markers denoting the row and column with the oval filled in.

He was very relatable and understandable and as everyone knows, I'm an ol' dame and certainly no 'puter nerd.

Defraud, deny, obfuscate, and delay is a very successful election theft model for the Dems, and it is refined every day between elections. Election integrity in many states is an oxymoron.