RebelE Infantry said:
aTmAg said:
fka ftc said:
aTmAg said:
Brittmoore Car Club said:
Teslag said:
Brittmoore Car Club said:
Who cares if this fool takes a sliver of Ukraine? or the whole damn thing? Our country may very well collapse within the next 5 years with the stupid sh** we are pushing here. We need to be fighting to save our own damn country...not some POS far eastern euro country. Who GAF about them?
We aren't doing this because we care about Ukraine.
Why? It's a crap country that does not impact us at all.
Why aren't we fighting all across the globe? Do we not care about people in Africa getting slaughtered? China? Spare me the "we care" BS. Why don't we go fight the Saudi's or Iranians?
If we "cared" we wouldn't be depending on African slaves and child slaves risking their lives, breaking their backs and breathing in toxic chemicals and fumes so that we could have our fancy Teslas and iPhones, all while absolutely annihilating their environment.
Honestly, if you "cared", you wouldn't be driving a Tesla...EV batteries are HORRIBLE for the environment and Africans/African children.
Because we promised them protection in exchange for them getting rid of their nukes. We have no such agreement with people in Africa, China, etc.
Is there a treaty on this? Asking for real, there has been mention of this agreement but I thought it was more of an understanding than an actual promise. May be wrong though.
It's called the Budapest Memorandum signed in 1994.
Interesting tidbit about this- I've heard the argument made that this agreement is moot since the nukes never belonged to Ukraine in the first place. Under the Soviet system all nukes were under direct control of Moscow, and never belonged to the UkSSR.
I don't really have an opinion either way, just found that interesting.
Of course, that makes no sense. If the US were to break up, the entire US arsenal wouldn't suddenly belong to the 68 square miles of Washington DC. Every American would have labored and paid taxes to fund the property of the US government and they would all would have legitimate claim to a portion of it's assets.
Likewise, every citizen of the former USSR would have a proper claim to part of the the assets of the USSR. Including former USSR citizens in Ukriane. Russia can try to claim it all as their if they want just like China can claims the entire south sea is theirs, but just because people make claims doesn't mean anybody else has to honor that.
And regarding US reputation, it doesn't matter. We didn't go in there in the 90s and say "hey those are Russia's, give it back". We negotiated in good faith for a deal as them being theirs and for them to give them up. Nobody would ever make such a deal again if we pretend the deal never existed when the going went tough.
(Again this does not imply we should screw ourselves over it)