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Watermelon Man said:

Rocky Rider said:

I trust my immune system far more than experimental medicine. The medical community and pharmaceutical companies placed profits over people. I'll never trust them again.

The love of money is the root of evil
All medicine is experimental. uh, no.
That's why they call it the Practice of Medicine. Sweet Jesus. You're one of those guys that doesn't understand the scientific term "Theory" aren't you? Gravity is just a "theory", right?

For the record, I'm anti jab too but you need to buy a dictionary.

I truly hope you never have to deal with cancer.






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Medaggie said:

I practiced throughout Covid. I saw thousands of Covid positive patients, saw the young healthy on death bed.

This debate will go on forever without a conclusion.

Do I think the vaccine overall saved lives, probably. Do I think it should have been mandated, definitely not. Do I think we should have shut the country down, I think this was the safest course especially when we had no idea what we were dealing with but looking back was a bad idea.

With this said, I was very reluctant to get the Covid shot. I am healthy, overall fit, run 3 days a week with marathons sprinkled in. I finally got my covid shot not for myself but more so because I could not live with myself if I was somehow responsible for a bad family outcome.

I became short of breath with running right after getting my shot and thought it was due to the typical vaccine reaction. I am never short of breath when I run, my legs will give out way before my cardio gives out. This lasted 6 months and prompted me to get a million dollar work up that was neg. I finally started to get back to normal at about 1 yr.

Can I prove it was the shot, no but I sure believe it. I and my family will never get the booster especially with the mild variant.

I have many antedotal stories of bad outcomes with vaccination. When the variant had a high mobidity/mortality rate, I think you have to pick your poison that is best for yourself. But with the current variant, I think you would be dumb to get the booster.


If COVID was never in the news, no one would have ever known anything was happening. That's how insignificant it was as a disease.
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$240 Worth of Pudding said:

Watermelon Man said:

Rocky Rider said:

I trust my immune system far more than experimental medicine. The medical community and pharmaceutical companies placed profits over people. I'll never trust them again.

The love of money is the root of evil
All medicine is experimental. uh, no.
That's why they call it the Practice of Medicine. Sweet Jesus. You're one of those guys that doesn't understand the scientific term "Theory" aren't you? Gravity is just a "theory", right?

For the record, I'm anti jab too but you need to buy a dictionary.

I truly hope you never have to deal with cancer.

Much like the "Theory" of evolution, amirite?

All of medicine is based on what has worked for similar complaints in the past. It's a practice. One that is effective.

The "jab" has been given to hundreds of millions of people. Before the "jab", hundreds of thousands of people were dying from Covid. After, all we have is anecdotal stories of adverse reactions, but none are near the level of Covid deaths.
It is much easier to fool someone than it is to convince someone that he has been fooled.
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01agtx said:

It still mind blowing that so many people signed up to be Guinea pigs.
They are part of the huge group who are doing the long-term testing of the "vaccines." Be a few more years before the results are in.
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Not yet… And hopefully not ever. But only time will tell.
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Friend got the booster two months ago Offered me concert tickets tonight because, you guessed it……..has Covid
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Watermelon Man said:

$240 Worth of Pudding said:

Watermelon Man said:

Rocky Rider said:

I trust my immune system far more than experimental medicine. The medical community and pharmaceutical companies placed profits over people. I'll never trust them again.

The love of money is the root of evil
All medicine is experimental. uh, no.
That's why they call it the Practice of Medicine. Sweet Jesus. You're one of those guys that doesn't understand the scientific term "Theory" aren't you? Gravity is just a "theory", right?

For the record, I'm anti jab too but you need to buy a dictionary.

I truly hope you never have to deal with cancer.

Much like the "Theory" of evolution, amirite?

All of medicine is based on what has worked for similar complaints in the past. It's a practice. One that is effective.

The "jab" has been given to hundreds of millions of people. Before the "jab", hundreds of thousands of people were dying with Covid. After, all we have is anecdotal stories of adverse reactions, but none are near the level of Covid deaths.



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EskimoJoe said:

shiftyandquick said:

I wish the two people I know under the age of 48 who died of COVID in College Station and did not get vaccinated were here to discuss this.


I wish my dad who was vaxed and boosted was still with us but he died suddenly of a saddle pulmonary embolism. Its strange as he had no history of any cardio vascular issues and he had just been through all the pre op protocol for a knee replacement that was scheduled for that next week.
Same. My dad got his third booster at his annual physical. Blood work was all in line. He died suddenly 30 days later.
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one safe place said:

01agtx said:

It still mind blowing that so many people signed up to be Guinea pigs.
They are part of the huge group who are doing the long-term testing of the "vaccines." Be a few more years before the results are in.


I'm a proud member of the control group.
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The poison poke was and still is a crime against humanity. There was no informed consent. Pure propaganda and faux urgency. The fact that they have continued to target kids is beyond me.
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I am as conservative with vaccine as they come. Mrna is a new science and rushed without knowing the long term effects.

But I will tell you that Original to Delta variants were nothing normal and if the label Covid never existed, it would not have been a nonstory.

Never in my 35 year career did I see so many healthy/fit sub 40 people have so much pulmonary involvement.

What happened did not belong in the Covid hysteria camp but it surly did not belong in the its another virus camp.

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Layne Staley said:

Friend got the booster two months ago Offered me concert tickets tonight because, you guessed it……..has Covid


I read that the variant of Covid the current booster was directed toward is no longer the dominant variant in circulation
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BudFox7 said:

Medaggie said:

I practiced throughout Covid. I saw thousands of Covid positive patients, saw the young healthy on death bed.

This debate will go on forever without a conclusion.

Do I think the vaccine overall saved lives, probably. Do I think it should have been mandated, definitely not. Do I think we should have shut the country down, I think this was the safest course especially when we had no idea what we were dealing with but looking back was a bad idea.

With this said, I was very reluctant to get the Covid shot. I am healthy, overall fit, run 3 days a week with marathons sprinkled in. I finally got my covid shot not for myself but more so because I could not live with myself if I was somehow responsible for a bad family outcome.

I became short of breath with running right after getting my shot and thought it was due to the typical vaccine reaction. I am never short of breath when I run, my legs will give out way before my cardio gives out. This lasted 6 months and prompted me to get a million dollar work up that was neg. I finally started to get back to normal at about 1 yr.

Can I prove it was the shot, no but I sure believe it. I and my family will never get the booster especially with the mild variant.

I have many antedotal stories of bad outcomes with vaccination. When the variant had a high mobidity/mortality rate, I think you have to pick your poison that is best for yourself. But with the current variant, I think you would be dumb to get the booster.


If COVID was never in the news, no one would have ever known anything was happening. That's how insignificant it was as a disease.
I mean it did push a lot of already unhealth people over the edge to death. You'd have hear something as deaths were way up in 2020 and 2021. Certainly not nearly the number attributed to covid were covid deaths.
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I have been in critical care practice for 22 year. 1st 19 years, I have seen zero healthy patients under 50 who had the flu/other virus/bacterial pneumonia needing hospitalization. I can't think of one and I prob personally took care of well north of 100K pts.

When Covid hit through Delta, I personally took care of 10+ pts needing hospitalization and witnessed hundreds similarly sick.

The debate should not be if Covid had a one in a lifetime high morbidity/mortality rate but if all the money spent/lock down/booster mandate/hysteria was an over reaction worse than the increased deaths. Now this is the debate that needs to be had before the next bad pathogen shows up.
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Debate should also be had about shutting down various avenues of treatment. There were doctors and hospitals that were having good results that got blackballed by the media, pharma, medical industry coalition. The whole fiasco was about creating chaos to try and force control and censorship.
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shiftyandquick said:

I wish the two people I know under the age of 48 who died of COVID in College Station and did not get vaccinated were here to discuss this.
I wish my two friends that were mildly obese and in their 40's and did get the COVID vax and still died were here to talk about this as well.
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AgBQ-00 said:

Debate should also be had about shutting down various avenues of treatment. There were doctors and hospitals that were having good results that got blackballed by the media, pharma, medical industry coalition. The whole fiasco was about creating chaos to try and force control and censorship.
Agree, it got to the point where a debate could not even be had because you would be labeled as a nonbeliever quack. But this is par for the course with our current society.
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Getting vaccinated does not prevent you from getting covid or whatever your vaccinated against, theory more so was it lessened the symptoms, decreased viral load/transmission and decreased hospitalizations.

People who gets vaccinated for covid/flu/RSV, etc still can get it.

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Medaggie said:

Getting vaccinated does not prevent you from getting covid or whatever your vaccinated against, theory more so was it lessened the symptoms, decreased viral load/transmission and decreased hospitalizations.

People who gets vaccinated for covid/flu/RSV, etc still can get it.


People who " gets vaccinated for covid" can still die.

1) People who die with COVID maybe would have lived had they got the shot.

2) People who got the shot and died maybe would have lived had they not got the shot.

I think that the evidence of #2 is stronger than the evidence of #1.

And, for kids under 20, getting the shot provides health risks and no health benefits. It's child abuse.

I don't trust any health agency that recommends an experimental vaccine to a demographic group with chances of serious complications or death from the disease that is statistically equivalent to zero.
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Medaggie said:

Getting vaccinated does not prevent you from getting covid or whatever your vaccinated against, theory more so was it lessened the symptoms, decreased viral load/transmission and decreased hospitalizations.

People who gets vaccinated for covid/flu/RSV, etc still can get it.
That was not the theory we were initially sold, until their original promises became untenable



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Medaggie said:

Getting vaccinated does not prevent you from getting covid or whatever your vaccinated against, theory more so was it lessened the symptoms, decreased viral load/transmission and decreased hospitalizations.

People who gets vaccinated for covid/flu/RSV, etc still can get it.




And why should we trust this assertion when originally they told us it would stop transmission?
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G. hirsutum Ag said:

Watermelon Man said:

$240 Worth of Pudding said:

Watermelon Man said:

Rocky Rider said:

I trust my immune system far more than experimental medicine. The medical community and pharmaceutical companies placed profits over people. I'll never trust them again.

The love of money is the root of evil
All medicine is experimental. uh, no.
That's why they call it the Practice of Medicine. Sweet Jesus. You're one of those guys that doesn't understand the scientific term "Theory" aren't you? Gravity is just a "theory", right?

For the record, I'm anti jab too but you need to buy a dictionary.

I truly hope you never have to deal with cancer.

Much like the "Theory" of evolution, amirite?

All of medicine is based on what has worked for similar complaints in the past. It's a practice. One that is effective.

The "jab" has been given to hundreds of millions of people. Before the "jab", hundreds of thousands of people were dying with Covid. After, all we have is anecdotal stories of adverse reactions, but none are near the level of Covid deaths.



FIFY
Change my words to make them say whatever you want. You aren't fixing anything. You can't change the facts.

The Covid pandemic resulted in approximately 1 million "excess deaths" in the US. These are people who experienced an untimely death due to Covid.

Covid is highly contagious. I don't think that is even debatable.

Hundreds of millions of doses of the Covid vaccine have been administered. Yet, we only have anecdotal tales of complications due to the vaccine. The most highly researched introduction of a vaccine in the history of healthcare and health officials are NOT advising the general public to avoid it.

After the introduction of the vaccine, the death rate of those vaccinated dropped precipitously, while that of the unvaccinated did not. Through natural immunity and vaccination, the death rates from Covid are no longer at pandemic levels, but all that means is that those most vulnerable have either been vaccinated or are already dead.
It is much easier to fool someone than it is to convince someone that he has been fooled.
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Quote:

The most highly researched introduction of a vaccine in the history of healthcare and health officials are NOT advising the general public to avoid it.

They make money off of it, they aren't going to say anything negative about their cash cow and your HEALTH is the last of their actual concerns.
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Watermelon Man said:

G. hirsutum Ag said:

Watermelon Man said:

$240 Worth of Pudding said:

Watermelon Man said:

Rocky Rider said:

I trust my immune system far more than experimental medicine. The medical community and pharmaceutical companies placed profits over people. I'll never trust them again.

The love of money is the root of evil
All medicine is experimental. uh, no.
That's why they call it the Practice of Medicine. Sweet Jesus. You're one of those guys that doesn't understand the scientific term "Theory" aren't you? Gravity is just a "theory", right?

For the record, I'm anti jab too but you need to buy a dictionary.

I truly hope you never have to deal with cancer.

Much like the "Theory" of evolution, amirite?

All of medicine is based on what has worked for similar complaints in the past. It's a practice. One that is effective.

The "jab" has been given to hundreds of millions of people. Before the "jab", hundreds of thousands of people were dying with Covid. After, all we have is anecdotal stories of adverse reactions, but none are near the level of Covid deaths.



FIFY
Change my words to make them say whatever you want. You aren't fixing anything. You can't change the facts.

The Covid pandemic resulted in approximately 1 million "excess deaths" in the US. These are people who experienced an untimely death due to Covid.

Covid is highly contagious. I don't think that is even debatable.

Hundreds of millions of doses of the Covid vaccine have been administered. Yet, we only have anecdotal tales of complications due to the vaccine. The most highly researched introduction of a vaccine in the history of healthcare and health officials are NOT advising the general public to avoid it.

After the introduction of the vaccine, the death rate of those vaccinated dropped precipitously, while that of the unvaccinated did not. Through natural immunity and vaccination, the death rates from Covid are no longer at pandemic levels, but all that means is that those most vulnerable have either been vaccinated or are already dead.



This is bull*****

More people died after the vaccine under Biden than under Trump.

Excess death numbers are skyrocketing, I wonder why??

The vaccine has NOT saved lives. Also, the refusal to use, or even talk about, therapeutics like ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, even vitamin D killed thousands, maybe millions.

I got covid. Felt horrible. Took ivermectin and orher stuff recommended by FLCCC. Back to work in 5 days. Would've been sooner but I had to quarantine.

People I know have been hurt by the vaccine, hurt badly, hospitalized. **** the vaccine and all the evil *******s that profited from it.
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To say the vaccine has NOT save lives is about as far out there as saying the vaccine saved millions from dying.

It lies in the middle somewhere.
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snowdog90 said:

Watermelon Man said:

G. hirsutum Ag said:

Watermelon Man said:

$240 Worth of Pudding said:

Watermelon Man said:

Rocky Rider said:

I trust my immune system far more than experimental medicine. The medical community and pharmaceutical companies placed profits over people. I'll never trust them again.

The love of money is the root of evil
All medicine is experimental. uh, no.
That's why they call it the Practice of Medicine. Sweet Jesus. You're one of those guys that doesn't understand the scientific term "Theory" aren't you? Gravity is just a "theory", right?

For the record, I'm anti jab too but you need to buy a dictionary.

I truly hope you never have to deal with cancer.

Much like the "Theory" of evolution, amirite?

All of medicine is based on what has worked for similar complaints in the past. It's a practice. One that is effective.

The "jab" has been given to hundreds of millions of people. Before the "jab", hundreds of thousands of people were dying with Covid. After, all we have is anecdotal stories of adverse reactions, but none are near the level of Covid deaths.



FIFY
Change my words to make them say whatever you want. You aren't fixing anything. You can't change the facts.

The Covid pandemic resulted in approximately 1 million "excess deaths" in the US. These are people who experienced an untimely death due to Covid.

Covid is highly contagious. I don't think that is even debatable.

Hundreds of millions of doses of the Covid vaccine have been administered. Yet, we only have anecdotal tales of complications due to the vaccine. The most highly researched introduction of a vaccine in the history of healthcare and health officials are NOT advising the general public to avoid it.

After the introduction of the vaccine, the death rate of those vaccinated dropped precipitously, while that of the unvaccinated did not. Through natural immunity and vaccination, the death rates from Covid are no longer at pandemic levels, but all that means is that those most vulnerable have either been vaccinated or are already dead.



This is bull*****

More people died after the vaccine under Biden than under Trump.

Excess death numbers are skyrocketing, I wonder why??

The vaccine has NOT saved lives. Also, the refusal to use, or even talk about, therapeutics like ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, even vitamin D killed thousands, maybe millions.

I got covid. Felt horrible. Took ivermectin and orher stuff recommended by FLCCC. Back to work in 5 days. Would've been sooner but I had to quarantine.

People I know have been hurt by the vaccine, hurt badly, hospitalized. **** the vaccine and all the evil *******s that profited from it.
Were these people you know hospitalized from the vaccine or with the vaccine?

I interact with hundreds of people each day, nearly all of them have had the covid vaccine. None have reported any adverse reaction, other than, say, a sore arm. Essentially every member of our armed services and everyone in healthcare has been vaccinated. No reports of widespread problems. Your experience must be a statistical outlier.
It is much easier to fool someone than it is to convince someone that he has been fooled.
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"After the introduction of the vaccine, the death rate of those vaccinated dropped precipitously"

Death rates dropping precipitously was multifactorial but I would say the reasons were mostly

1. Covid mutating to a less lethal form which is what essentially all pathogens do given time. Killing 100% of hosts is a bad way for it to propagate.
2. Natural immunity and Vaccine immunity. I believe natural is always better than vaccine immunity.
3. Old/Sick died pre vaccine so less susceptible hosts

I am not saying quarantine was correct, but the best outcome was it gave the virus time to mutate to a less deadly form.

To make this point. If Covid was 100% lethal and the subsequent variant was 50% then outcome is just better getting the 2nd variant which is what quarantine did. Eventually almost everyone will get Covid or one of its variants.
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snowdog90 said:

Watermelon Man said:

G. hirsutum Ag said:

Watermelon Man said:

$240 Worth of Pudding said:

Watermelon Man said:

Rocky Rider said:

I trust my immune system far more than experimental medicine. The medical community and pharmaceutical companies placed profits over people. I'll never trust them again.

The love of money is the root of evil
All medicine is experimental. uh, no.
That's why they call it the Practice of Medicine. Sweet Jesus. You're one of those guys that doesn't understand the scientific term "Theory" aren't you? Gravity is just a "theory", right?

For the record, I'm anti jab too but you need to buy a dictionary.

I truly hope you never have to deal with cancer.

Much like the "Theory" of evolution, amirite?

All of medicine is based on what has worked for similar complaints in the past. It's a practice. One that is effective.

The "jab" has been given to hundreds of millions of people. Before the "jab", hundreds of thousands of people were dying with Covid. After, all we have is anecdotal stories of adverse reactions, but none are near the level of Covid deaths.



FIFY
Change my words to make them say whatever you want. You aren't fixing anything. You can't change the facts.

The Covid pandemic resulted in approximately 1 million "excess deaths" in the US. These are people who experienced an untimely death due to Covid.

Covid is highly contagious. I don't think that is even debatable.

Hundreds of millions of doses of the Covid vaccine have been administered. Yet, we only have anecdotal tales of complications due to the vaccine. The most highly researched introduction of a vaccine in the history of healthcare and health officials are NOT advising the general public to avoid it.

After the introduction of the vaccine, the death rate of those vaccinated dropped precipitously, while that of the unvaccinated did not. Through natural immunity and vaccination, the death rates from Covid are no longer at pandemic levels, but all that means is that those most vulnerable have either been vaccinated or are already dead.



This is bull*****

More people died after the vaccine under Biden than under Trump.

Excess death numbers are skyrocketing, I wonder why??

The vaccine has NOT saved lives. Also, the refusal to use, or even talk about, therapeutics like ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, even vitamin D killed thousands, maybe millions.

I got covid. Felt horrible. Took ivermectin and orher stuff recommended by FLCCC. Back to work in 5 days. Would've been sooner but I had to quarantine.

People I know have been hurt by the vaccine, hurt badly, hospitalized. **** the vaccine and all the evil *******s that profited from it.


But, but they would have died worser without the vaccine.
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Medaggie said:

"After the introduction of the vaccine, the death rate of those vaccinated dropped precipitously"

Death rates dropping precipitously was multifactorial but I would say the reasons were mostly

1. Covid mutating to a less lethal form which is what essentially all pathogens do given time. Killing 100% of hosts is a bad way for it to propagate.
2. Natural immunity and Vaccine immunity. I believe natural is always better than vaccine immunity.
3. Old/Sick died pre vaccine so less susceptible hosts

I am not saying quarantine was correct, but the best outcome was it gave the virus time to mutate to a less deadly form.

To make this point. If Covid was 100% lethal and the subsequent variant was 50% then outcome is just better getting the 2nd variant which is what quarantine did. Eventually almost everyone will get Covid or one of its variants.
You are correct that there are many reasons the covid death rate has fallen. However, in March of last year, in the US, the weekly death rate for unvaccinated individuals was 1.71 deaths per 100,000. For those who were vaccinated, it was only 0.22 and for those vaccinated and boosted, it was 0.11.--Scientific American

That's about an 8 times drop in the death rate resulting from vaccination.

No, it isn't 100%. Despite what some would make you believe, it was never sold as being 100% effective. It is demonstrably effective, however.

And, yes, the strains spreading now are not as virulent as previous ones. That doesn't mean it isn't deadly, however. Last week, we had 224 deaths in the US. The week before 625. That difference may be due to a delay in reporting, I am not sure. Regardless, people are still getting sick and dying from it.

I am not arguing that natural immunity is better or worse than natural immunity. However, natural immunity isn't much help to those who die before they develop immunity.

And, you are also correct, that eventually, most everybody will get Covid or one of its variants. Some of those will also die as a result.
It is much easier to fool someone than it is to convince someone that he has been fooled.
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Watermelon Man said:

G. hirsutum Ag said:

Watermelon Man said:

$240 Worth of Pudding said:

Watermelon Man said:

Rocky Rider said:

I trust my immune system far more than experimental medicine. The medical community and pharmaceutical companies placed profits over people. I'll never trust them again.

The love of money is the root of evil
All medicine is experimental. uh, no.
That's why they call it the Practice of Medicine. Sweet Jesus. You're one of those guys that doesn't understand the scientific term "Theory" aren't you? Gravity is just a "theory", right?

For the record, I'm anti jab too but you need to buy a dictionary.

I truly hope you never have to deal with cancer.

Much like the "Theory" of evolution, amirite?

All of medicine is based on what has worked for similar complaints in the past. It's a practice. One that is effective.

The "jab" has been given to hundreds of millions of people. Before the "jab", hundreds of thousands of people were dying with Covid. After, all we have is anecdotal stories of adverse reactions, but none are near the level of Covid deaths.



FIFY
Change my words to make them say whatever you want. You aren't fixing anything. You can't change the facts.

The Covid pandemic resulted in approximately 1 million "excess deaths" in the US. These are people who experienced an untimely death due to Covid.

Covid is highly contagious. I don't think that is even debatable.

Hundreds of millions of doses of the Covid vaccine have been administered. Yet, we only have anecdotal tales of complications due to the vaccine. The most highly researched introduction of a vaccine in the history of healthcare and health officials are NOT advising the general public to avoid it.

After the introduction of the vaccine, the death rate of those vaccinated dropped precipitously, while that of the unvaccinated did not. Through natural immunity and vaccination, the death rates from Covid are no longer at pandemic levels, but all that means is that those most vulnerable have either been vaccinated or are already dead.

This is a lie, we have studies showing heart damage, especially to young males. We also have studies showing blood clots. Shall I keep going?
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Even Pfizer admits it
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Oncologist in UK reporting that Melanoma patients....nevermind, you will just call it anecdotal. LOL
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https://brownstone.org/articles/cdc-lied-mrna-not-meant-to-stay-in-arm/

The CDC Lied: The mRNA Wasn't Meant to "Stay in the Arm"


https://brownstone.org/articles/hope-we-dont-find-mrna-lingers-pfizer-doctor/

"I hope we don't find out…this mRNA lingers in the body," says Pfizer doctor

Dr. Walker also wonders about the potential causes of widespread menstrual irregularities. He says the vaccine must be interacting with the HPG (hypothalamus, pituitary, gonad) axis the hormonal chain which regulates menstruation and numerous other bio systems. He's confused, however, because, "The vaccine doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier."

Except it absolutely does go to the brain. We've also known this for a long time, as many autopsies attest. It doesn't even occur to Dr. Walker that the lipid nanoparticles (LNPs) also go directly to the ovaries, as we've known since the spring of 2021, when Canadian vaccinologist Dr. Byram Bridle dug up Pfizer's regulatory dossier submitted to the Japanese government.

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samurai_science said:

Watermelon Man said:

G. hirsutum Ag said:

Watermelon Man said:

$240 Worth of Pudding said:

Watermelon Man said:

Rocky Rider said:

I trust my immune system far more than experimental medicine. The medical community and pharmaceutical companies placed profits over people. I'll never trust them again.

The love of money is the root of evil
All medicine is experimental. uh, no.
That's why they call it the Practice of Medicine. Sweet Jesus. You're one of those guys that doesn't understand the scientific term "Theory" aren't you? Gravity is just a "theory", right?

For the record, I'm anti jab too but you need to buy a dictionary.

I truly hope you never have to deal with cancer.

Much like the "Theory" of evolution, amirite?

All of medicine is based on what has worked for similar complaints in the past. It's a practice. One that is effective.

The "jab" has been given to hundreds of millions of people. Before the "jab", hundreds of thousands of people were dying with Covid. After, all we have is anecdotal stories of adverse reactions, but none are near the level of Covid deaths.



FIFY
Change my words to make them say whatever you want. You aren't fixing anything. You can't change the facts.

The Covid pandemic resulted in approximately 1 million "excess deaths" in the US. These are people who experienced an untimely death due to Covid.

Covid is highly contagious. I don't think that is even debatable.

Hundreds of millions of doses of the Covid vaccine have been administered. Yet, we only have anecdotal tales of complications due to the vaccine. The most highly researched introduction of a vaccine in the history of healthcare and health officials are NOT advising the general public to avoid it.

After the introduction of the vaccine, the death rate of those vaccinated dropped precipitously, while that of the unvaccinated did not. Through natural immunity and vaccination, the death rates from Covid are no longer at pandemic levels, but all that means is that those most vulnerable have either been vaccinated or are already dead.

This is a lie, we have studies showing heart damage, especially to young males. We also have studies showing blood clots. Shall I keep going?
Its always interesting when people on F16 think they can persuade others who disagree with them. Everyone on both sides has 'facts'. "I believe my facts and not your facts"....still doesn't seem to move the needle convincing anyone. Most people are going to choose their sources to give credence to. What people should agree on is that locking down was an over reaction...but one that really only could be made with hindsight. If we ever get a health spread of another new virus I imagine we won't lock down again...for better or worse.
 
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