I just finished watching "Died Suddenly"

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Rapier108 said:

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annie88 said:

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12thMan9 said:

Then find another channel b/c they're out there. Just about every other commercial along e/ the folks trying to make Jesus into a refugee/immigrant.
I'll need to try another city.

Out here in LA, all my English Language commercials for for "Prep" and pressing play and making sure that your HIV status is undetectable.

Also, I'm still thoroughly confused about this Jesus was a refugee situation.


It's a commercial.


Odd……..nobody who ever uses the "Jesus was a refugee" defense will ever describe the immigration laws of that time period.
Yeah, the government MADE them go to Bethlehem to be counted and taxed. Seems a bit different than people coming in illegally.


Then Mary and Joseph took Jesus, fled to Egypt and lived there for several years, due to the king killing all boys aged 2 and under, after hearing from the wise men about the birth of the Messiah. They were refugees in Egypt, to escape death threats by the local king who felt threatened by the birth of a messiah. After the emperor died, they moved back to Nazareth, Israel.
Which is still completely different than illegal aliens coming here.

Always funny when you leftists try to use the Bible to support your positions; and show that you've never actually read it.


I never said that this supports illegal immigration. It only supports the fact that Jesus' family were refugees. I have a friend who, as a child, came to America legally as refugees. I do not condone illegal immigration. I support legal immigration and refugees need help and assistance, if they truly are refugees. It is a legal process to get refugee status. You cannot just say you are a refugee. It goes before a judge.
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Plunge said:

Rapier108 said:

Plunge said:

WHOOP!'91 said:

B-1 83 said:

annie88 said:

HollywoodBQ said:

12thMan9 said:

Then find another channel b/c they're out there. Just about every other commercial along e/ the folks trying to make Jesus into a refugee/immigrant.
I'll need to try another city.

Out here in LA, all my English Language commercials for for "Prep" and pressing play and making sure that your HIV status is undetectable.

Also, I'm still thoroughly confused about this Jesus was a refugee situation.


It's a commercial.


Odd……..nobody who ever uses the "Jesus was a refugee" defense will ever describe the immigration laws of that time period.
Yeah, the government MADE them go to Bethlehem to be counted and taxed. Seems a bit different than people coming in illegally.


Then Mary and Joseph took Jesus, fled to Egypt and lived there for several years, due to the king killing all boys aged 2 and under, after hearing from the wise men about the birth of the Messiah. They were refugees in Egypt, to escape death threats by the local king who felt threatened by the birth of a messiah. After the emperor died, they moved back to Nazareth, Israel.
Which is still completely different than illegal aliens coming here.

Always funny when you leftists try to use the Bible to support your positions; and show that you've never actually read it.


I never said that this supports illegal immigration. It only supports the fact that Jesus' family were refugees. I have a friend who, as a child, came to America legally as refugees. I do not condone illegal immigration. I support legal immigration and refugees need help.
Jesus was not a refugee. He was a Roman subject moving from one province of the empire to another. We don't call Californians moving to Texas refugees. This "Jesus was a refugee" thing is northing more than marxists attempting to say if you want border walls and limits on immigration then you're not a Christian.
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Pookers said:

Plunge said:

Rapier108 said:

Plunge said:

WHOOP!'91 said:

B-1 83 said:

annie88 said:

HollywoodBQ said:

12thMan9 said:

Then find another channel b/c they're out there. Just about every other commercial along e/ the folks trying to make Jesus into a refugee/immigrant.
I'll need to try another city.

Out here in LA, all my English Language commercials for for "Prep" and pressing play and making sure that your HIV status is undetectable.

Also, I'm still thoroughly confused about this Jesus was a refugee situation.


It's a commercial.


Odd……..nobody who ever uses the "Jesus was a refugee" defense will ever describe the immigration laws of that time period.
Yeah, the government MADE them go to Bethlehem to be counted and taxed. Seems a bit different than people coming in illegally.


Then Mary and Joseph took Jesus, fled to Egypt and lived there for several years, due to the king killing all boys aged 2 and under, after hearing from the wise men about the birth of the Messiah. They were refugees in Egypt, to escape death threats by the local king who felt threatened by the birth of a messiah. After the emperor died, they moved back to Nazareth, Israel.
Which is still completely different than illegal aliens coming here.

Always funny when you leftists try to use the Bible to support your positions; and show that you've never actually read it.


I never said that this supports illegal immigration. It only supports the fact that Jesus' family were refugees. I have a friend who, as a child, came to America legally as refugees. I do not condone illegal immigration. I support legal immigration and refugees need help.
Jesus was not a refugee. He was a Roman subject moving from one province of the empire to another. We don't call Californians moving to Texas refugees.


Good point. Although it makes the tragedy of the entire situation no less important.

And I am NOT a leftist or any kind of extremist.
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Plunge said:

Pookers said:

Plunge said:

Rapier108 said:

Plunge said:

WHOOP!'91 said:

B-1 83 said:

annie88 said:

HollywoodBQ said:

12thMan9 said:

Then find another channel b/c they're out there. Just about every other commercial along e/ the folks trying to make Jesus into a refugee/immigrant.
I'll need to try another city.

Out here in LA, all my English Language commercials for for "Prep" and pressing play and making sure that your HIV status is undetectable.

Also, I'm still thoroughly confused about this Jesus was a refugee situation.


It's a commercial.


Odd……..nobody who ever uses the "Jesus was a refugee" defense will ever describe the immigration laws of that time period.
Yeah, the government MADE them go to Bethlehem to be counted and taxed. Seems a bit different than people coming in illegally.


Then Mary and Joseph took Jesus, fled to Egypt and lived there for several years, due to the king killing all boys aged 2 and under, after hearing from the wise men about the birth of the Messiah. They were refugees in Egypt, to escape death threats by the local king who felt threatened by the birth of a messiah. After the emperor died, they moved back to Nazareth, Israel.
Which is still completely different than illegal aliens coming here.

Always funny when you leftists try to use the Bible to support your positions; and show that you've never actually read it.


I never said that this supports illegal immigration. It only supports the fact that Jesus' family were refugees. I have a friend who, as a child, came to America legally as refugees. I do not condone illegal immigration. I support legal immigration and refugees need help.
Jesus was not a refugee. He was a Roman subject moving from one province of the empire to another. We don't call Californians moving to Texas refugees.


Good point. Although it makes the tragedy of the entire situation no less important.
No. But words matter.
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Zobel said:

sorry friend, i say presume because of the numerous threads and posts on a daily basis about it on this forum. mods had to start banning people on the premium board because a guy hits the ground in a football game and before he's in the hospital people are speculating that is vaccine related.
edit: top post of the forum right now... https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3353563

your argument is that the vaccines is causing deaths. it's not my responsibility to prove your point. you can't provide numbers of vaccine related deaths, so what exactly are we talking about here? how can we even have a discussion when you're essentially presenting an unsupported opinion?

am i a vax-death denier? what does that mean? that's a new term to me. if you're asking me if one person in the world has died from mRNA vaccines, i'd give that a high chance of yes if only because of the huge number of people who have received these vaccines. all vaccines - all medicines - have side effects that are sometimes fatal.

the flu vaccine, for example, reduces flu related hospitalization in the elderly by around 50%, and is also around 50% effective at preventing flu in the elderly. however, it is a fact that flu vaccinations can and do cause deaths. anaphylaxis happens at a rate of about 2 per million but is usually not fatal. Guillan-Barre syndrome has a risk of around 1 cases per million vaccine doses, and some 5% of Guillan-Barre cases are fatal. Given that there are ~180 million flu doses given per year that means there are probably single digit cases of fatal Guillan-Barre associated with it.

it would be surprising if there were zero fatalities associated with the mRNA vaccines. that fact alone also doesn't mean much of anything.

"may conceal an alarming number" is the same as "may not" since you have no evidence whatever other than your completely unsupported opinion.
You don't even know what my opinion is. However, regarding the numbers, that lack of data on the number of deaths doesn't support your opinion that it isn't a concern for people. It is worth noting though that the trendline of reports coming out suggest that the direction of vax related deaths is not going in a favorable direction if you are one that believes it was safe, free, and effective.

My argument is not that the vaccines are causing death. My point is that you are trivializing something that people have a legitimate curiosity about because it is a fact that you admit has, does, and will occur again. I find it strange that some people are so willing to still carry water for something that was so broadly constructed with lies.

With the flu, there is a lot of historical data, and the risks of the flu shot are very well known. The Covid vax began with lies, was sold with lies, and coverups hide the lies today. This is ongoing. Big difference IMO.

Will the negative effects from the vax amount to a great deal or relatively nothing in the long run? I have no idea, but I sure as hell am not going to trivialize or criticize anyone who is asking questions about the subject.
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i suppose i don't know what your opinion is. i can only go off of what you've said - it seems like you think the vaccine has caused "an alarming number of deaths," there is a "discernable push to hide the numbers," and that it is a "tragedy".

can you explain how a lack of data concerning deaths is a cause for concern?

a couple of times now you've implied there is evidence - you said "studies are slowly coming out" and now "a trendline of reports". can you share these? what are they?

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My argument is not that the vaccines are causing death. My point is that you are trivializing something that people have a legitimate curiosity about because it is a fact that you admit has, does, and will occur again.
you keep saying trivialize. where have i done that? where have you demonstrated any intellectual curiosity here? i've done quite a bit of reading because i was curious. i am open to reading anything you'd like to share. the next piece of information regarding vaccine safety you provide will be the first.

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I find it strange that some people are so willing to still carry water for something that was so broadly constructed with lies.
i find it strange that college educated adults can't separate politics from science. can you explain how someone lying about a vaccine makes the vaccine more or less harmful?

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I sure as hell am not going to trivialize or criticize anyone who is asking questions about the subject.
me neither, which is why i haven't done it.
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can you explain how someone lying about a vaccine makes the vaccine more or less harmful?
Kind of answers itself, doesn't it?
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I fully support anyone that believes the covid-19 vax will save them, and the rest of us, to sign up for unlimited boosters.
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Already the weakest of the “Power Five” conferences, the league (Big 12) is hemorrhaging fans, wins, TV ratings and respect. (SA Express R. Bragg; Oct 12, 2016)
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no, it doesn't answer itself. i can say that drinking coke isn't correlated with a risk of diabetes (a lie) but it doesn't change whether or not it does, in fact, correlate with diabetes risk. it either does or it doesn't.

a politician saying something is safe doesn't make it so; a politician saying something is dangerous doesn't make it so.
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Then why lie?

And we aren't talking about one politician. We are talking about entire agencies, medical industries, and 'experts' worldwide.

ETA: On the spot I can think of two reasons to lie. The vax has low efficacy, or the vax is more dangerous or both.
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no idea. i don't even know what lie you are talking about.
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Safe, free, and effective.
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compared to other vaccines i think they are both safe and effective. free is the usual stupid government talking point, because nothing is free, but it probably doesn't rise to the level of a lie in that they were distributed free of charge.

still waiting on those studies, reports.
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Zobel said:

compared to other vaccines i think they are both safe and effective. free is the usual stupid government talking point, because nothing is free, but it probably doesn't rise to the level of a lie in that they were distributed free of charge.
Safe is the point of this thread.

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The mRNA SARS-CoV-2 vaccines were brought to market in response to the public health crises of Covid-19. The utilization of mRNA vaccines in the context of infectious disease has no precedent. The many alterations in the vaccine mRNA hide the mRNA from cellular defenses and promote a longer biological half-life and high production of spike protein. However, the immune response to the vaccine is very different from that to a SARS-CoV-2 infection. In this paper, we present evidence that vaccination induces a profound impairment in type I interferon signaling, which has diverse adverse consequences to human health. Immune cells that have taken up the vaccine nanoparticles release into circulation large numbers of exosomes containing spike protein along with critical microRNAs that induce a signaling response in recipient cells at distant sites. We also identify potential profound disturbances in regulatory control of protein synthesis and cancer surveillance. These disturbances potentially have a causal link to neurodegenerative disease, myocarditis, immune thrombocytopenia, Bell's palsy, liver disease, impaired adaptive immunity, impaired DNA damage response and tumorigenesis. We show evidence from the VAERS database supporting our hypothesis. We believe a comprehensive risk/benefit assessment of the mRNA vaccines questions them as positive contributors to public health.
This is from the link on another thread on the front page as one data point.

Free. As you pointed out, is a perpetual lie by governments trying to score points with its citizens. You wanna give them a pass because of 'free' distribution? Fine; I'm not that generous. But everyone knows, or at least should know, we pay for them in one way or another.

Effective? Maybe for some at risk. Not for the young who had virtually no risk yet the lie is the demand that those at no risk get vaxxed on the premise it would protect them and protect others who might be at risk when it did no such thing as it does not prevent transmission.
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Kvetch said:

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I love this logic:

It was commotio cordis that caused an NFL player's cardiac arrest. It is rare but it happens.

Despite NFL playing since 1920s with ever increasing safety protocols and enhanced safety gear and sport medicine & physiology knowledge.

It could never be a complication from a vaccine that the entire NFL, down to the janitor crew, were forced to take.

This is why people have lost faith in so much of today's experts.




Both sides of this argument need to shut the hell up until they have some evidence. It does not change a single thing to devolve this into an argument about vaccines so that you can say "I told you so" if your side ends up being correct in this specific case.

As someone who is unvaccinated, highly against "vaccines," and watched what happened, I have absolutely no idea what caused his heart to stop. Neither do you. Commotio cordis makes sense based on my limited knowledge. However, nobody will know until definitive test results are released. Just pray for the guy and wait for news.

ETA: my comments are not specifically directed at fixer. His comment just spurred my thoughts.
Commatio Carditis does not make sense to me. if any player is susceptible to a near death experience from a heavy hit to the chest, it would seem the players would be aware of this danger. I don't think any of the players on either team were aware that a hard hit to the chest on a normal football play could nearly kill someone.
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Here's a response to that paper
https://osf.io/m58yh/

follow-up paper discussing the article and the problem of rebuttals and retractions in general
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12015-022-10465-2

article discussing some of the issues with it
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/scientific-review-articles-as-antivaccine-disinformation/

the article is described as "almost entirely speculative". it is not a data point, because it has no data.

kind of demonstrates the problem. most people are frankly not capable of reading technical literature outside of their own field. i include myself in that group. i did some research and have several friends who are doctors and married one, and wound up being interested in medical research, or really scientific research in general...but i still bounce my understanding off of people who really understand this stuff. if you want to talk about turbomachinery design or polymer thin films i can speak from my own direct understanding, but not here. here i have to rely on the expertise of others.

the challenge for us normal people then becomes one of selecting good, trusted sources. this is a skill in and of itself - and it seems like most people are really bad at it. they're subject to all manner of biases (again i include myself in this) but in general are not willing to do the leg work to guard against these biases (i do not include myself here as i make a point to do this, which im sure is ultimately imperfect). it takes practice, and in the end it's an exercise guaranteed to fail

there's a really fun read about this challenge here. i strongly recommend anyone even remotely interested in research to read it... or really anyone, because its funny and interesting.
https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/04/28/the-control-group-is-out-of-control/

i wrote all that to tell you that if you were an expert in the field, i suspect that article would not seem trustworthy. i don't think peter mccullough is a good, trusted source. normally it wouldn't matter who publishes a work as it would be based on a repeatable experiment - a trial or a test. but this article is just speculation, so we really can only judge it by the plausibility of the speculation, the tightness of the argument, and the reliability of the speculator. i think this fails on all three.

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Effective? Maybe for some at risk. Not for the young who had virtually no risk yet the lie is the demand that those at no risk get vaxxed on the premise it would protect them and protect others who might be at risk when it did no such thing as it does not prevent transmission.
efficacy is a scientific term that is used - objectively - to compare outcomes between a control group and a test group. for vaccines its generally presented as an odds ratio, like you are x more times likely to get this without the vaccine, or a percentage saying the same - if 100 people are in a group and have this, x% will be vaccinated.

good studies get efficacy numbers that generate useful predictions outside of the study. so for example if a study that watched people jump out of an airplane with and without parachutes found a safety benefit to a parachute, we could assume that a parachute helps with any kind of fall. if it didn't find that effect - because the plane was on the ground - we really don't learn anything from it.

the studies done for covid vaccines have been massive in scope and number, and they have found all kinds of risk reduction. the sheer number and quality of the studies tells us these results are at a minimum directionally right. there's also been thousands and thousands of studies on the risk of covid, and while there is a very low absolute risk for healthy young people, it's not zero. ultimately there is a risk reduction associated with the vaccines in relative terms; in absolute terms its a very small benefit for some, and a very large benefit for others.

even further, contrary to common opinion on this forum, the vaccines actually do prevent infection and subsequent transmission. here's a couple of studies that looked at this.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01548-7
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abl4292
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2116597

part of the problem is the disconnect between how people were tested (nose swab PCR) vs how efficacy was measured in the vaccine trials (symptomatic disease). part of the problem was the fact that there's a range of infection based on how many PCR cycles you need - how much virus is actually in your nose. and part of it is that the vaccine efficacy does decline over time, and definitely is reduced against the subsequent variants. but that efficacy change isn't uniform - it does a comparatively worse job at preventing local infection in your nose (PCR positive) than it does at preventing symptomatic infection than it does at preventing severe infection, which it continues to do well.

so i still say the vaccines were effective at preventing severe disease - and still are. they're more effective than some of the other vaccines in our schedules like the flu vaccine, and take fewer doses to get to those efficacy numbers than some vaccines kids get routinely.

if it hadn't become a contentious political issue by the sheer stupidity of the USG and complete cowardice to weaponize the general duty clause of OSHA people would be far less likely to have their opinions on the safety of a medical product align with their party politics. on the face of it that seems absurd.
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Rapier108 said:

Originally posted by CSTXAg92 on F84. Amazing it was even allowed and is still up.





Zobel .. this is for you.. please watch and then please go find and read every one of these articles in this video .. maybe things up in that cranium will start to Change .. just possibly
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like i said last time, any time you want to contribute to the discussion in a meaningful way you're more than welcome. until then, be quiet. the adults are talking.
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Zobel said:

sorry friend, i say presume because of the numerous threads and posts on a daily basis about it on this forum. mods had to start banning people on the premium board because a guy hits the ground in a football game and before he's in the hospital people are speculating that is vaccine related.
edit: top post of the forum right now... https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3353563

your argument is that the vaccines is causing deaths. it's not my responsibility to prove your point. you can't provide numbers of vaccine related deaths, so what exactly are we talking about here? how can we even have a discussion when you're essentially presenting an unsupported opinion?

am i a vax-death denier? what does that mean? that's a new term to me. if you're asking me if one person in the world has died from mRNA vaccines, i'd give that a high chance of yes if only because of the huge number of people who have received these vaccines. all vaccines - all medicines - have side effects that are sometimes fatal.

the flu vaccine, for example, reduces flu related hospitalization in the elderly by around 50%, and is also around 50% effective at preventing flu in the elderly. however, it is a fact that flu vaccinations can and do cause deaths. anaphylaxis happens at a rate of about 2 per million but is usually not fatal. Guillan-Barre syndrome has a risk of around 1 cases per million vaccine doses, and some 5% of Guillan-Barre cases are fatal. Given that there are ~180 million flu doses given per year that means there are probably single digit cases of fatal Guillan-Barre associated with it.

it would be surprising if there were zero fatalities associated with the mRNA vaccines. that fact alone also doesn't mean much of anything.

"may conceal an alarming number" is the same as "may not" since you have no evidence whatever other than your completely unsupported opinion.
We can no longer deny, and studies support, the contention that the vaccine increases the risk of myocarditis, particularly in young men like Hamlin.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35652390/

Additionally, it is perfectly reasonable, and many physicians share the concern, that myocarditis can increase the risk of arrhythmias caused by impacts to the chest.

https://academic.oup.com/ehjcr/article/5/3/ytab054/6154461

Based on these known facts, it is perfectly reasonable to question whether the vaccine may have contributed to Hamlins cardiac arrest. What is unreasonable is for so many people to deny the possibility with such mindless fervor and for moderators to ban people for questioning vaccine safety.

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i responded to this same thing on the other thread you posted it on.

it's not contentious that the vaccines cause myocarditis at a low rate. it also isn't contentious that covid causes myocarditis at a low rate.

if we extend the known rate of myocarditis from the vaccines to the NFL population and assume they all got mRNA vaccines and NONE of them got covid you'd expect around 0.05 cases. not 5%, 5 hundredths of a case. even if we went with the worst case and assumed moderna and a very high rate of 94 per million, you'd expect 0.16 cases. just from that basis there's a low percentage chance that any NFL player got myocarditis from the vaccines, and an even lower probability that it had anything to do with what happened.

on the other hand something like 2% of the population has a heart rhythm abnormality of some kind. in working age people it is around 1%. So we'd expect 17 people in the size of the NFL to have atrial fibrillation and 1 of those to be undiagnosed. this is twenty times more likely. no one led with speculation about this. wonder why?
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Because this is a thread about covid speculation. Why lead with speculation of other causes?

Besides, none of what you said proves that the vax wasn't a contributor, so there is nothing wrong with continuing to speculate about the possibility.
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how would you suggest someone proves something wasn't a contributor?
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Probably the same way all those people with serious health conditions died "of Covid" so the death count ticker tape could look super duper scary.
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Pretty evasive last few answers. Guess we better just call it a day. Thanks for the civil discussion.
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Zobel said:

how would you suggest someone proves something wasn't a contributor?

As most people know, you cannot prove a negative.

The amount of "smoke" however, pointing to issues with mRNA vaccines points to a need to investigate.

The problem is that there has been so much lying and gas-lighting from organizations that used to be considered unbiased arbiters of truth and health, that there does not appear to be an organization that would be widely trusted.

When the CDC redefines "vaccine"...

When "Social Distancing" was required for life and entertainment, but not for protesting...

When people with valid questions and concerns are belittled and cancelled...

When statements that previously were censored as "misinformation" are proven to be true...

When proof of government collusion with Media to censor information that did not follow the approved narrative...

I could go on but I have other things to do.

Suffice to say that I, for one do not trust anything that comes from the government, popular media, the left, or even medical establishment regarding Covid, mRNA "vaccines", or pandemics in general.

It is now up to anyone in those groups to prove their trustworthiness again. I don't hold out much hope for it, but it would be cool to at least see an attempt rather than a continuation of what has been done for the last 36 months.
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Zobel said:

i responded to this same thing on the other thread you posted it on.

it's not contentious that the vaccines cause myocarditis at a low rate. it also isn't contentious that covid causes myocarditis at a low rate.

if we extend the known rate of myocarditis from the vaccines to the NFL population and assume they all got mRNA vaccines and NONE of them got covid you'd expect around 0.05 cases. not 5%, 5 hundredths of a case. even if we went with the worst case and assumed moderna and a very high rate of 94 per million, you'd expect 0.16 cases. just from that basis there's a low percentage chance that any NFL player got myocarditis from the vaccines, and an even lower probability that it had anything to do with what happened.

on the other hand something like 2% of the population has a heart rhythm abnormality of some kind. in working age people it is around 1%. So we'd expect 17 people in the size of the NFL to have atrial fibrillation and 1 of those to be undiagnosed. this is twenty times more likely. no one led with speculation about this. wonder why?
How did you compute your "vaccines cause myocarditis at a low rate"?

One of my primary contentions is one that is established by scientific studies and that is that Myocarditis prevalence is largely underestimated.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8891464/

More importantly, Myocarditis risk is not uniform, it is directly tied to sex, age, and number of boosters. A recent British study showed that the risk of myocarditis almost doubled after the first Pfizer shot in men under 40. Then it doubled again after the second and doubled again after the third - to almost eight times the baseline risk.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v1.full.pdf

Another study showed 13,000% increased risk of heart inflammation in boys aged 12 to 15 years old after COVID shot.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788346

The early post that showed 6-7 NFL players who have been sidelined due to blood clots, arrhythmias, and strokes over the past 18 months is certainly not scientific, but can anyone compile a similar list over another 18 month period in the NFL? It is a combination of all of these variables in addition to the testimony of many physicians claiming to have seen an increase in blood clots and related issues, the evidence from countries that keep such statistics that highly vaccinated countries are experiencing excess deaths, and the personal experience from many morticians who report never-before seen extensive clotting. Are they all wrong? Is there anything to all of perceived evidence? Maybe all of these events are actually caused by Covid infection but I've not seen a study that distinguishes between vaccinated, unvaccinated, previously infected, or never infected.
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Old McDonald said:

Zobel said:

I agree that young people dying from heart disease is rare. The fact remains young people dying from any natural cause is rare, but heart disease and cancer are basically the reasons young people die.

So here's the real question: if heart disease deaths are extremely rare, how rare are "vax deaths"? You haven't given any numbers. how many is it?
everyone i know got the covid vaccine, and none of them have died suddenly

i'm left with no option but to conclude that the vaccine has inoculated my circles against sudden death. thank you fauci!


False dilemma logical fallacy.
Hasty generalization logical fallacy.
Anecdotal logical fallacy.
Appeal to authority logical fallacy.


Keep going!
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Darwinism at its finest. Fine. Don't get vaccinated
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i didn't compute the rate of myocarditis from vaccines. its been reported in the literature variously between 1 and 10 per 100,000. the fda / cdc used 3-4 per 100,000 doses i believe.

here are some estimates. the ages below are for whatever the highest cohort is in the study
7.1 per 100,000 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788346
3.2 per 100,000 https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.121.056135
2.6 per 100,000 https://www.cmaj.ca/content/194/45/E1529
2.13 per 100,000 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110737

in other words, the highest risk is what i'm using, not the average. the 3.2 number is from the american heart association, and their article (2nd one above) is pretty thorough.

so even if you use 10 per 100,000 there are only roughly 1700 NFL players. Strictly by the odds you in that case you wouldn't expect a single vaccine related myocarditis case. All of these studies would need to be off by a factor of ten or more.

you're correct in your question about the baseline risk in the NFL. until you know that, it's hard to know whether these are normal or not. clots and heart problems are not uncommon in the general population.
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One of my duty stations in the Army was @ Fort Detrick's, US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Disease AKA (USAMRIID).
The cadre of USAMRIID assigned personnel was the "testing" ground for infectious disease vaccines that had been "manufactured" there. Our serums were taken at a minimum of 6 month intervals to check for antibodies.
I felt no mental problem taking the "Wuhan Virus" vaccine. It was always SOP for the WHO to name a "new" virus after the nearest town, river or country from where the disease causing organism's finding.
IMO, The CCP "bought off" the WHO on naming this virus COVID versus "Wuhan".
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SociallyConditionedAg said:

ts5641 said:

maroonthrunthru said:

I got the first two rounds of the vaccine, but refused boosters…

I'm 68 with previous heart condition… Never really been afraid of death… Figured when the Lord was ready for me, etc….

That documentary SCARED THE PANTS OFF ME…

It was also so sad, watching the people just die of stroke out of the blue, caught on public cam…

They all died in the same fashion… Heart Breaking…

If the producers of that show are using cinematic tricks to scare us… May they rot in hell…

If this turns out to be legit, may Fauci and Gates rot in the same place…
I haven't watched the movie, but is there a time frame after the vax that people are dying? I'm 57 and got the two original vax's back in January 2021. Never boosted. I haven't had any issues but wondering at what point out from the vax are people having problems?

From what I've read, 5 months is about the time that most of these events occur. Now that you're 2 years out, I'm sure you're okay.
There is a theory on the dosage amount in the jabs…it goes something like this; If this is being done intentionally to reduce the population then not all of the jabs can be "dosed" in fact the majority have to be placebo or harmless saline solution since vaccine "promoters" are necessary for the plan to work. The theory continues that the "dosed" jabs have a varying amount of the bad stuff in them and that's why some people die sooner than others. Hopefully you got the placebo.
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Zobel said:

i didn't compute the rate of myocarditis from vaccines. its been reported in the literature variously between 1 and 10 per 100,000. the fda / cdc used 3-4 per 100,000 doses i believe.

here are some estimates. the ages below are for whatever the highest cohort is in the study
7.1 per 100,000 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788346
3.2 per 100,000 https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.121.056135
2.6 per 100,000 https://www.cmaj.ca/content/194/45/E1529
2.13 per 100,000 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110737

in other words, the highest risk is what i'm using, not the average. the 3.2 number is from the american heart association, and their article (2nd one above) is pretty thorough.

so even if you use 10 per 100,000 there are only roughly 1700 NFL players. Strictly by the odds you in that case you wouldn't expect a single vaccine related myocarditis case. All of these studies would need to be off by a factor of ten or more.

you're correct in your question about the baseline risk in the NFL. until you know that, it's hard to know whether these are normal or not. clots and heart problems are not uncommon in the general population.
Studies using VAERS as a mechanism to record myocarditis after vaccination are not reliable. VAERS URF (underreporting factor) is reported to be as high as 60x. 31x URF is not uncommon.
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Only the first uses vaers.
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Jesus might have been, or might not have been a refugee....

But I do know that this portion of the Bible is the first historical, recorded mention of PMS...

"And Mary rode Joseph's ass all the way to Bethlehem."

I think that's the passage I read....
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Fightin_Aggie said:

Pookers said:

B-1 83 said:



Odd……..nobody who ever uses the "Jesus was a refugee" defense will ever describe the immigration laws of that time period.
Jesus was a Roman subject at the time and moved from one part of the Roman empire to another to avoid a local tyrant. Sorta like people moving from California to Arizona.


The more I read the Bible the more I realize the human race has not changed in 2000 years. Sadly a large portion of our population has not improved morally in 2000 years

They still murder their offspring for immediate gratification and to ease their burdens

They still worship false idols (fauci, Gaia, self)

They still cry out for a King and avoid free will and personal responsibility (Socialism)

Others still look to rule and infringe on others free will because they know better (Socialism)

I pray that, as a society, we accept God's word and embrace free will and personal responsibility

But you know we won't, you've read to the end. That's why He came.
 
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