The vaccines did nothing, it was natural immunity that brought deaths down.


https://brownstone.org/articles/16-studies-on-vaccine-efficacy/

BluHorseShu said:

---

samurai_science said:

---

Watermelon Man said:

---

G. hirsutum Ag said:

---

Watermelon Man said:

---

$240 Worth of Pudding said:

---

Watermelon Man said:

---

Rocky Rider said:

---

I trust my immune system far more than experimental medicine. The medical community and pharmaceutical companies placed profits over people. I'll never trust them again.

The love of money is the root of evil

---

All medicine is experimental. uh, no.
That's why they call it the Practice of Medicine. Sweet Jesus. You're one of those guys that doesn't understand the scientific term "Theory" aren't you? Gravity is just a "theory", right?

For the record, I'm anti jab too but you need to buy a dictionary.

I truly hope you never have to deal with cancer.

---

---

Much like the "Theory" of evolution, amirite?

All of medicine is based on what has worked for similar complaints in the past. It's a practice. One that is effective.

The "jab" has been given to hundreds of millions of people. Before the "jab", hundreds of thousands of people were dying with Covid. After, all we have is anecdotal stories of adverse reactions, but none are near the level of Covid deaths.

---

FIFY

---

Change my words to make them say whatever you want. You aren't fixing anything. You can't change the facts.

The Covid pandemic resulted in approximately 1 million "excess deaths" in the US. These are people who experienced an untimely death due to Covid.

Covid is highly contagious. I don't think that is even debatable.

Hundreds of millions of doses of the Covid vaccine have been administered. Yet, we only have anecdotal tales of complications due to the vaccine. The most highly researched introduction of a vaccine in the history of healthcare and health officials are NOT advising the general public to avoid it.

After the introduction of the vaccine, the death rate of those vaccinated dropped precipitously, while that of the unvaccinated did not. Through natural immunity and vaccination, the death rates from Covid are no longer at pandemic levels, but all that means is that those most vulnerable have either been vaccinated or are already dead.

---

This is a lie, we have studies showing heart damage, especially to young males. We also have studies showing blood clots. Shall I keep going?

---

Its always interesting when people on F16 think they can persuade others who disagree with them. Everyone on both sides has 'facts'. "I believe my facts and not your facts"....still doesn't seem to move the needle convincing anyone. Most people are going to choose their sources to give credence to. What people should agree on is that locking down was an over reaction...but one that really only could be made with hindsight. If we ever get a health spread of another new virus I imagine we won't lock down again...for better or worse.

---

Good thing the facts are irrelevant to me. I didn't take the ****, so it makes absolutely no difference to me. Swissflaggers and other sheep are those that have to worry. What, me worry?

Gee - I wonder why not

FDA Has Results of Subclinical Myocarditis Studies, but Won't Release Them Yet | The Epoch Times https://t.co/9PDGFJllIj

— Dr David Cartland (@CartlandDavid) October 12, 2023

"And, yes, the strains spreading now are not as virulent as previous ones. That doesn't mean it isn't deadly, however. Last week, we had 224 deaths in the US. The week before 625. That difference may be due to a delay in reporting, I am not sure. Regardless, people are still getting sick and dying from it."

Deaths and hospitalization from Covid was Waaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy over reported. How do I know this? Because I was intimate with the data from my hospital.

If 100 people were hospitalized and 10 of them was due to covid BUT 100 of them tested positive for Covid, THEN you have 100% covid admission instead of 10%. Same with deaths. If someone with terminal lung cancer given 3 months to live caught Covid and died in 2 months, this is NOT a Covid Death but counted. Ridiculous IMO and done to overinflate the fear.

So your number of 224 & 625 needs some real context. Was it 224/625 who died Primarily due to Covid or was it 224/625 who died and tested positive for Covid. Even if they died due to respiratory distress from covid, a good portion of these people would have died if they caught the common cold.

Regardless the 224/625 numbers are minuscule when you have a 330 million population and essentially has put this disease as a worthless disease/topic.

Covid from my direct experience should be a non topic given its low virulence.

Medaggie said:

---

"And, yes, the strains spreading now are not as virulent as previous ones. That doesn't mean it isn't deadly, however. Last week, we had 224 deaths in the US. The week before 625. That difference may be due to a delay in reporting, I am not sure. Regardless, people are still getting sick and dying from it."

Deaths and hospitalization from Covid was Waaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy over reported. How do I know this? Because I was intimate with the data from my hospital.

If 100 people were hospitalized and 10 of them was due to covid BUT 100 of them tested positive for Covid, THEN you have 100% covid admission instead of 10%. Same with deaths. If someone with terminal lung cancer given 3 months to live caught Covid and died in 2 months, this is NOT a Covid Death but counted. Ridiculous IMO and done to overinflate the fear.

So your number of 224 & 625 needs some real context. Was it 224/625 who died Primarily due to Covid or was it 224/625 who died and tested positive for Covid. Even if they died due to respiratory distress from covid, a good portion of these people would have died if they caught the common cold.

Regardless the 224/625 numbers are minuscule when you have a 330 million population and essentially has put this disease as a worthless disease/topic.

Covid from my direct experience should be a non topic given its low virulence.

---

In the early days, there is no doubt this was happening. I would like to believe they have improved over the years, though. Are you saying that in the past few weeks, at your hospital, if a patient died who tests positive for Covid, but the infection did not cause his death, this would be counted as a Covid death?

I was going to watch Died Suddenly but I had too many boosters and died before I could watch any of it.

Bad things happened when you skip 6-10 years of safety studies.

Cancer after vaccines with Professor Dalgleish

Quote:

---

If 100 people were hospitalized and 10 of them was due to covid BUT 100 of them tested positive for Covid, THEN you have 100% covid admission instead of 10%. Same with deaths. If someone with terminal lung cancer given 3 months to live caught Covid and died in 2 months, this is NOT a Covid Death but counted. Ridiculous IMO and done to overinflate the fear.

---

But why?

captkirk said:

---

Quote:

---

If 100 people were hospitalized and 10 of them was due to covid BUT 100 of them tested positive for Covid, THEN you have 100% covid admission instead of 10%. Same with deaths. If someone with terminal lung cancer given 3 months to live caught Covid and died in 2 months, this is NOT a Covid Death but counted. Ridiculous IMO and done to overinflate the fear.

---

But why?

---

Scared people are easier to manipulate.

In my opinion not based in anything I can prove, I believe they were trying to set up a system with vaccine passports. I volunteered at one of the initial vaccine health events and noticed the vaccine paper cards they were giving out. This obviously was planned out ahead of time. I speculate that if they were to get the population to essentially hand over their body autonomy to government powers, those powers could easily make a ton of money forcing millions of people to take a vaccine by any company that lines their pocket.

They wanted everyone to get the shot. I mean, if they said 5K people died of covid in one day that sounds scary. If the primary cause of death was covid and it was 500, then how were they going to increase vaccination/quarantine/impose school lock down/hand $$$ out like water?

"Are you saying that in the past few weeks, at your hospital, if a patient died who tests positive for Covid, but the infection did not cause his death, this would be counted as a Covid death"

I have no idea how they are counting it now because most everyone in the hospitals/hospital systems don't care anymore. I have no idea if many hospitals are even reporting it and the accuracy is haphazard at best.

I can tell you of the 2-600 that were reported, a good portion was not primarily due to Covid. People die going to the hospital all the time. A healthy person goes in for knee surgery, dies a few dys later from a Pulm Embolism, and is positive for Covid. Yeah, you could count that as a covid complication but its way more likely it was a DVT like many other knee surgeries.

The current covid variant does not have the inflammatory cascade that came with the original to Delta variants. So I have no idea how people are dying from it. Healthy people for sure are not dying from covid. I am sure old nursing home pts who caught covid is dying from it but they also are dying from the common code.

This is the difficulty with counting covid deaths. 10 nursing home pts died and 5 being Flu, 4 RSV, and 1 covid b/c they lead to bacterial pneumonia. We count one covid death and make a big deal out of it. The other 9, oh well?

Covid should be dead. Stick a fork in it. No one in the medical community cares for it anymore. The gov doesn't even care. How do I know? Because No one is testing for it and No one is quarantining due to it.

RIP King

NEW: Brazilian gospel singer Pedro Henrique dies after collapsing from a heart attack during a live performance.

Henrique leaves behind his wife Suilan Barreto and their two month old daughter Zoe.

Just hours before his death on stage, Henrique had joked with a friend that he… pic.twitter.com/FE09vFAKcy

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) December 14, 2023

shiftyandquick said:

---

I wish the two people I know under the age of 48 who died of COVID in College Station and did not get vaccinated were here to discuss this.

---

What data do you have that shows the vaccine would have prevented deaths?

Medaggie said:

---

To say the vaccine has NOT save lives is about as far out there as saying the vaccine saved millions from dying.

It lies in the middle somewhere.

---

By what determinant are you making this statement? The vaccine has killed many, the numbers will never be known fully. There is no way to determine if it even helped against covid. I mean, it obviously didn't work the way it was supposed to. Here's some of the lies they told.

Lie 1: Take the vaccine. It's safe and effective. If you get the vaccine, you won't get covid.

Lie 2: Ivermectin doesn't work for covid. It's horse paste. This is the most devastating lie they told. Ivermectin saved thousands, maybe millions of lives, but many people still don't know what it is because Big Pharma wouldn't make billions if there was a generic cure for covid that wasn't demonized and demagogued.

Lie 3, 4, 5... Well, the vaccine isn't working, but the next booster will work... Repeat, repeat, repeat...

I could add so many more, but the fact that basically everything they preached about the vaccine was a lie, why would you believe it had any beneficiary qualities at all? Why did more people die post-vaccine than pre-vaccine?

The vaccine was a lie. Believe that it "helped" more than it hurt if you want, but the only beneficiary I see are the Big Pharma scumbags raking in profits and the media and politicians getting kickbacks from those profits.

Watermelon Man said:

---

snowdog90 said:

---

Watermelon Man said:

---

G. hirsutum Ag said:

---

Watermelon Man said:

---

$240 Worth of Pudding said:

---

Watermelon Man said:

---

Rocky Rider said:

---

I trust my immune system far more than experimental medicine. The medical community and pharmaceutical companies placed profits over people. I'll never trust them again.

The love of money is the root of evil

---

All medicine is experimental. uh, no.
That's why they call it the Practice of Medicine. Sweet Jesus. You're one of those guys that doesn't understand the scientific term "Theory" aren't you? Gravity is just a "theory", right?

For the record, I'm anti jab too but you need to buy a dictionary.

I truly hope you never have to deal with cancer.

---

---

Much like the "Theory" of evolution, amirite?

All of medicine is based on what has worked for similar complaints in the past. It's a practice. One that is effective.

The "jab" has been given to hundreds of millions of people. Before the "jab", hundreds of thousands of people were dying with Covid. After, all we have is anecdotal stories of adverse reactions, but none are near the level of Covid deaths.

---

FIFY

---

Change my words to make them say whatever you want. You aren't fixing anything. You can't change the facts.

The Covid pandemic resulted in approximately 1 million "excess deaths" in the US. These are people who experienced an untimely death due to Covid.

Covid is highly contagious. I don't think that is even debatable.

Hundreds of millions of doses of the Covid vaccine have been administered. Yet, we only have anecdotal tales of complications due to the vaccine. The most highly researched introduction of a vaccine in the history of healthcare and health officials are NOT advising the general public to avoid it.

After the introduction of the vaccine, the death rate of those vaccinated dropped precipitously, while that of the unvaccinated did not. Through natural immunity and vaccination, the death rates from Covid are no longer at pandemic levels, but all that means is that those most vulnerable have either been vaccinated or are already dead.

---

This is bull*****

More people died after the vaccine under Biden than under Trump.

Excess death numbers are skyrocketing, I wonder why??

The vaccine has NOT saved lives. Also, the refusal to use, or even talk about, therapeutics like ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, even vitamin D killed thousands, maybe millions.

I got covid. Felt horrible. Took ivermectin and orher stuff recommended by FLCCC. Back to work in 5 days. Would've been sooner but I had to quarantine.

People I know have been hurt by the vaccine, hurt badly, hospitalized. **** the vaccine and all the evil *******s that profited from it.

---

Were these people you know hospitalized from the vaccine or with the vaccine?

I interact with hundreds of people each day, nearly all of them have had the covid vaccine. None have reported any adverse reaction, other than, say, a sore arm. Essentially every member of our armed services and everyone in healthcare has been vaccinated. No reports of widespread problems. Your experience must be a statistical outlier.

---

2 women in their 50s. Both were healthy professionals. One felt horrible after the first shot, was basically bullied into getting the second. After the second shot, she was wrecked. She probably had the effects of a cytokine storm where her whole body was "fighting" an infection that wasn't there. She was hospitalized, tons of tests done. They could never explain it. She got better, but not 100%. Her pcp told her it was probably vaccine-induced, andwrote her a note that she is never to receive a booster.

The 2nd example - very healthy 50s woman - got her second shot. This was followed closely by her sitting at work and her heart rate climbing to 180+ beats per minute. Long story short, she is now on heart meds and has a cardiologist.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/fox-news-world/british-airways-flight-attendant-tragically-dies-front-passengers-busy-holiday-travel

The US defense department's own records show the 5 year average( pre-covid vaccinations) vs. same group (post 2022) are as follows: These are all pilots information. In the Army, there is ^ 97% vaccination rate.

I'd guess that this group is likely in better health than average citizen and a much better control group than most studies since they have every medical record for each of these persons.

937% increase in heart failure
152% ^ in cardiomyopathy
69% ^ in ischemic heart disease
35% ^ in hypertensive disease
62% ^ pulmonary heart disease
63% ^ in other heart ailments