J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PatriotAg02 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PatriotAg02 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PatriotAg02 said:

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Easy to tell who is up to speed with reality and who is still a-sheep. Keep watching your mainstream news guys!

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Lol what does this even mean? PatriotAg trying to match Dear Leader by having a trump style meltdown all over the board.

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I don't have to explain it. It's obvious if you're not under the veil.

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You are so wise. Please, enlighten us of what the latest rantings of an unhinged lunatic seeing all of his power slip away actually mean.

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That's certainly one way to look at it, and I don't blame you. But unfortunately it's not a good one. Well, I guess it could be depending on what you want for the United States.

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So, no answer to the deeper meaning behind these latest rants? Not even an attempt to bring us to your clearly highly elevated intellectual level?

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Patriot hasn't figured it out yet...this is 15d chess. If Trump criticizes densantis/young king, then the media will subsequently praise them to hurt Trump!

Brilliant

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PatriotAg02 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PatriotAg02 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PatriotAg02 said:

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Easy to tell who is up to speed with reality and who is still a-sheep. Keep watching your mainstream news guys!

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Lol what does this even mean? PatriotAg trying to match Dear Leader by having a trump style meltdown all over the board.

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I don't have to explain it. It's obvious if you're not under the veil.

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You are so wise. Please, enlighten us of what the latest rantings of an unhinged lunatic seeing all of his power slip away actually mean.

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That's certainly one way to look at it, and I don't blame you. But unfortunately it's not a good one. Well, I guess it could be depending on what you want for the United States.

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So, no answer to the deeper meaning behind these latest rants? Not even an attempt to bring us to your clearly highly elevated intellectual level?

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Everyone has their opinions. Trump doesn't just throw stuff out there like that for no reason. He's usually pointing something out that isn't kosher.

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So, what's he pointing out here that "isn't kosher?"

Uh, yeah Trump does say things without a plan. All. The. Time.

That's the problem, he has zero filter. Something that well adjusted adults have figured out. He's not nearly as smart as you seem to believe.

There's no plan here. Just the ramblings of a worn out old man who's afraid of DeSantis.

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My Name Is Judge said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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He's lost it

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Everything he has said is a fact though

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Actually a lot of it is opinion from Trump's perspective but whatever. Trump better have something stronger than "DeSantis wasn't anything without me and he owes me allegiance for life because I helped get him elected". DeSantis paid Trump back by delivering Florida early in the night in 2020 after it was supposed to be a Battleground. DeSantis has made himself after that 30k vote win in '98 and all but the hardest core of Trumpers see that.

Most of all though DeSantis is just way too smart for this tactic. He can either ignore it or take the high road and just make Trump look small and pathetic without saying a single negative word.

I honestly don't know how Trump can pull out of this and win now, this is absolutely catastrophic damage he has done to himself. He's forcing his allies to go down with the ship with him now and outside of Roger Stone and a few others people are going to look for a graceful way to get their own lifeboat.

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This is the second poster stating Roger Stone would stand by Trump. Not so fast my friend! Here is Stone being his usual Trumpian self, but excoriating Trump and his family. Doubt they will be having Thanksgiving together.

Footage from Jan 20 2021. Stone supports impeaching Trump:“Run again you’ll get your fucking brains beat in.” pic.twitter.com/HDiCaehRg7

— Christoffer Guldbrandsen (@cguld) October 15, 2022

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Uh, yeah Trump does say things without a plan. All. The. Time.

That's the problem, he has zero filter. Something that well adjusted adults have figured out. He's not nearly as smart as you seem to believe.

There's no plan here. Just the ramblings of a worn out old man who's afraid of DeSantis.

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You have your opinion. I have mine. Carry on with your rants.

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aginresearch said:

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Uh, yeah Trump does say things without a plan. All. The. Time.

That's the problem, he has zero filter. Something that well adjusted adults have figured out. He's not nearly as smart as you seem to believe.

There's no plan here. Just the ramblings of a worn out old man who's afraid of DeSantis.

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You have your opinion. I have mine. Carry on with your rants.

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Yeah research, you are the one pathetically ranting, not Trump!

Ummmmmm, OK

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I want a guy that can turn Miami red, not one that will lose Georgia.

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RD shouldn't respond at all - doesn't need to.

Trump can EAD if he travels down this path and further harms the best shot we have at winning all 3 in DC

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Trump is a business man and does what it takes to turn the economy around. In a time when we are suffering under inflation and spiraling out of control on spending, he may be exactly who we need to get us out of this. He is probably the best man for the job.

That being said, I have lost a LOT of respect for Trump and If Desantis tosses his hat in the ring, it will be a tough choice knowing that Don excels at repairing the economy while also knowing that he is not a candidate that can win easily. I'd have to choose Desantis.

But that is a decision I don't have to make at this point. Desantis stated he wouldn't run if Donald did. So we will see.

I can tell you one thing: not one of Trump's rallies will be aired on networks. He will be given no chance to hype up the general population. Without that he will be dead in the water.

The only way he can win is by outlining a plan to remove all "swamp" unelected bureaucrats that infest the system and begin anew. He HAS to have a strong specific plan that goes beyond the nebulous "draining the swamp". Tell me exactly what you are going to do and how.

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Is it you who continually claims on here that "Ron stated he wouldn't run if Donald did"?

because this same statement came up a few weeks ago and the original poster came back and admitted that never happened,

there is no evidence of DeSantis ever proclaiming he would not run if Trump does.

you think Trump would be going b@t**** crazy all over the place if he thought DeSantis was NOT going to run?!?!

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It is a sign Trump recognizes who the only real competitor in this race is for the 2024 nomination.

If elements of the Republican Party want rid of Trump, then they need to discourage other potential entrants and go all in with DeSantis.

Trump will go in with at least a third of the vote in his back pocket serving as his base. To beat him, a candidate has to emerge who can quickly gain the backing of 20-25% as a base for growth. He will not lose with 10-15 other candidates jockeying for support from the rest of the party. Those who oppose Trump in this primary have to get behind a candidate with the charisma and results to quickly build a network of supporters to win primaries and delegates.

The only one with that ability is DeSantis. Trump knows it and that is the reason he is on the attack right now.

All RD has to do is his job. The movers and shakers of this party who are against Trump will soon be knocking on his door--if they haven't done so already.

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great post.

and there have already been reports of the billionaires meeting with DeSantis team 4 months ago, and certainly there is already the website for DeSantis 2024 "draft Desantis" and you know every single person at the RNC is calling everyone they know in Florida begging Ron to run

here is a good article explaining all the people trying to get DeSantis to move against Trump

https://www.axios.com/2022/06/30/desantis-backers-plot-early-2024-boost

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Time to start ignoring that narcissist.

Thank you Mr Trump. Your time is passed. You may go now.

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Trump's plan is to delay all the trials he's involved in now, get elected President and then try to shut down all the litigation as a "witch hunt" and somehow argue Presidential immunity.

DeSantis f's up that plan. Trump will go nuclear on DeSantis, no matter what anyone says to him because he's worried about all the litigation.

Trump does care about anyone but himself. Welcome all to the TDS pool. Jump right in, the water's fine.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/11/dementia-don.php

The Donald sent this newsletter to his email subscribers. It opens with this single runon sentence that is borderline incomprehensible:

"NewsCorp, which is Fox, the Wall Street Journal, and the no longer great New York Post (bring back Col!), is all in for Governor Ron DeSanctimonious, an average REPUBLICAN Governor with great Public Relations, who didn't have to close up his State, but did, unlike other Republican Governors, whose overall numbers for a Republican, were just averagemiddle of the packincluding COVID, and who has the advantage of SUNSHINE, where people from badly run States up North would go no matter who the Governor was, just like I did!"

Father time has arrived for him and if you vote for him in the primaries you'll get exactly what you deserve: an unhinged cranky old man using the power of the republican party to settle his grudges

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Tanya 93 said:

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Also, this notion that somebody who runs is stealing votes is asinine.

The citizen owns the vote, not the second choice candidate with a third party running.

If they had been the better candidate, then that person would have voted for them.

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Simplistic take that's grasping at straws at this point. You seriously think that everybody is rational and selfless with their vote?

There are Trunp fanboys (and fangirls) who will vote for him even if Jesus came down from Heaven and said, "Thou shall not vote for Trump!". Just like there are devotees of Bernie and other politicians who will vote for their candidate simply because they've tied up too much of their own identity and pride into him and can't admit their initial analysis ended up being wrong.

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My vote belongs to me.
Not a candidate.

If Bernie runs, so what? How many people would have given their vote to the more conservative candidate?

It is only simplistic to people who think someone is owed a vote. No, they aren't.


I vote for the person I think is most representative of what I believe or how I want this country to be run, not who has the best chance of winning.

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Holy crap, the irony in your post.

You do realize that the only person, I mean ONLY person who feels they're owed anything in this situation, especially votes, IS TRUMP? That's the whole issue!!!!

Trump legit feels like he is owed every Republican allegiance and vote for however long he stays in politics. He feels that anyone daring to oppose him is infringing on something he is owed. That's exactly the logic he would use to run as a third-party candidate and the exact same logic the majority of his supporters would use to vote for him.

There are Trump supporters who feel that we, as American citizens, owe something to a politician! That's the exact reverse of what our system is supposed to be and its ****ing dangerous.

Cults don't have peaceful transfer of power.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PatriotAg02 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PatriotAg02 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PatriotAg02 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Easy to tell who is up to speed with reality and who is still a-sheep. Keep watching your mainstream news guys!

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Lol what does this even mean? PatriotAg trying to match Dear Leader by having a trump style meltdown all over the board.

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I don't have to explain it. It's obvious if you're not under the veil.

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You are so wise. Please, enlighten us of what the latest rantings of an unhinged lunatic seeing all of his power slip away actually mean.

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That's certainly one way to look at it, and I don't blame you. But unfortunately it's not a good one. Well, I guess it could be depending on what you want for the United States.

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So, no answer to the deeper meaning behind these latest rants? Not even an attempt to bring us to your clearly highly elevated intellectual level?

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Everyone has their opinions. Trump doesn't just throw stuff out there like that for no reason. He's usually pointing something out that isn't kosher.

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So, what's he pointing out here that "isn't kosher?"

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Bump. Still hoping to get enlightened by PatriotAg.

give him time. talking points will be sent out from the maga list serve later today.

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It's all part of the plan, it's staged!!

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Sorry, but not buying it.

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Neither does he.

FL_Ag1998 said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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Also, this notion that somebody who runs is stealing votes is asinine.

The citizen owns the vote, not the second choice candidate with a third party running.

If they had been the better candidate, then that person would have voted for them.

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Simplistic take that's grasping at straws at this point. You seriously think that everybody is rational and selfless with their vote?

There are Trunp fanboys (and fangirls) who will vote for him even if Jesus came down from Heaven and said, "Thou shall not vote for Trump!". Just like there are devotees of Bernie and other politicians who will vote for their candidate simply because they've tied up too much of their own identity and pride into him and can't admit their initial analysis ended up being wrong.

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My vote belongs to me.
Not a candidate.

If Bernie runs, so what? How many people would have given their vote to the more conservative candidate?

It is only simplistic to people who think someone is owed a vote. No, they aren't.


I vote for the person I think is most representative of what I believe or how I want this country to be run, not who has the best chance of winning.

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Holy crap, the irony in your post.

You do realize that the only person, I mean ONLY person who feels they're owed anything in this situation, especially votes, IS TRUMP? That's the whole issue!!!!

Trump legit feels like he is owed every Republican allegiance and vote for however long he stays in politics. He feels that anyone daring to oppose him is infringing on something he is owed. That's exactly the logic he would use to run as a third-party candidate and the exact same logic the majority of his supporters would use to vote for him.

There are Trump supporters who feel that we, as American citizens, owe something to a politician! That's the exact reverse of what our system is supposed to be and its ****ing dangerous.

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I know that it is dangerous.
But people on here truly believe that if Trump is the nominee, you must vote for him and not a member of the other parties, especially if he runs as an independent.

He deserves another term of office is said around here. So he is owed their vote. Especially if you voted for him twice already.

Did you not see the posts saying Perot stole the election from Bush?
No. He didn't.

He doesn't deserve anything. No one does, especially a politician.

I support him running in the primary. If the voters decide they want him again, then so be it. If they don't, then he should support the winner.

But we all know he isn't going to do that.

When Desantis first got to congress fighting Nancy Pelosi, Lockdown Don was still a Democrat writing checks to support Nancy and her liberal friends.

Trump is tearing it all down for his own ego. I don't like it one bit as he is going to fracture conservatives.

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The problem for conservatives like me, is Trump running as an independent if he loses the primary. If he truly cares about this country, he will not do that.

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I was concerned about that in 2020.

now actually I am not concerned about it at all.

if DeSantis runs, I believe he can beat Trump straight up in the primaries.

is Trump, who loves to pretend he is still the President, really going to become the candidate of the unknown "independent" party?!

even he will realize he is not going to win the election, but will lose 50 states. in this respect, his ego may work in our favor.

you think he could live with losing 50 states by 70 points? and being a pariah from everyone, even some in his family?

many of you continue to only focus on Trump taking votes from Ron if he runs third party. but what you aren't recognizing is that DeSantis may win EVEN MORE votes from independents and democrats who then view DeSantis as the normal candidate.

not to mention, many of the Trumpists aren't republicans anyway, and may not be voting for the GOP regardless (see Georgia, 2020 and Georgia, 2022)

There's a run-off election underway in GA and Senate control hangs in the balance. In a place where Trump has insisted elections get stolen, his candidate is still fighting for a win.

Trump is busy attacking Ron DeSantis and Glenn Youngkin.

— Sunny McSunnyface (@sunnyright) November 11, 2022

Tanya 93 said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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Also, this notion that somebody who runs is stealing votes is asinine.

The citizen owns the vote, not the second choice candidate with a third party running.

If they had been the better candidate, then that person would have voted for them.

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Simplistic take that's grasping at straws at this point. You seriously think that everybody is rational and selfless with their vote?

There are Trunp fanboys (and fangirls) who will vote for him even if Jesus came down from Heaven and said, "Thou shall not vote for Trump!". Just like there are devotees of Bernie and other politicians who will vote for their candidate simply because they've tied up too much of their own identity and pride into him and can't admit their initial analysis ended up being wrong.

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My vote belongs to me.
Not a candidate.

If Bernie runs, so what? How many people would have given their vote to the more conservative candidate?

It is only simplistic to people who think someone is owed a vote. No, they aren't.


I vote for the person I think is most representative of what I believe or how I want this country to be run, not who has the best chance of winning.

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Holy crap, the irony in your post.

You do realize that the only person, I mean ONLY person who feels they're owed anything in this situation, especially votes, IS TRUMP? That's the whole issue!!!!

Trump legit feels like he is owed every Republican allegiance and vote for however long he stays in politics. He feels that anyone daring to oppose him is infringing on something he is owed. That's exactly the logic he would use to run as a third-party candidate and the exact same logic the majority of his supporters would use to vote for him.

There are Trump supporters who feel that we, as American citizens, owe something to a politician! That's the exact reverse of what our system is supposed to be and its ****ing dangerous.

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I know that it is dangerous.
But people on here truly believe that if Trump is the nominee, you must vote for him and not a member of the other parties, especially if he runs as an independent.

He deserves another term of office is said around here. So he is owed their vote. Especially if you voted for him twice already.

Did you not see the posts saying Perot stole the election from Bush?
No. He didn't.

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In that respect, if that's your overall point, then I agree. No politician is owed anything, no matter what party they're running as a part of.