Kind of all coming together now.

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So "got him/her/they"? Which crime are you charging him/her/they with?

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Obstruction. 18 U.S.C. 1519. For starters.

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What obstruction could an Original Classifying Authority be engaged in, especially if he and his representatives were in discussions with NARA regarding the Presidential Records in question?

Go ahead. Lead him out in handcuffs before the mid-terms.

You and your imbecilic party are going to get destroyed soon.

Why not double down and go full-on Federalist Party?

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Biden but I've never voted for a Democrat before and likely never will again unless Trump runs.

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Thanks.

So this is all about pure hatred for Trump.

I do not like Trump but my goodness, I could never vote for Biden.

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"This is all about" Trump thinking nobody had the balls to do anything about it. A crisis entirely of his own making.

I didn't say I hated him.

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But you voted for Biden before the raid.

So there had to be a strong dislike.

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Lying in response to a subpoena is obstruction. Did you read the thread?

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Could have fooled me...








By the way, what were Trump's intentions regarding these records?



Or does this concept no longer matter?

Another Piss Tape Prophet trying to apply penalties to an innocent Trump for laws broken by members of his own party and their Drag Queen Republican allies.

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Biden but I've never voted for a Democrat before and likely never will again unless Trump runs.

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Concerned moderate.

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Biden but I've never voted for a Democrat before and likely never will again unless Trump runs.

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Concerned moderate.

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who is logging between socks to star his own posts no less.

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Biden but I've never voted for a Democrat before and likely never will again unless Trump runs.

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Concerned moderate.

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I'm not making arguments

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This much is true

So true.

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Biden but I've never voted for a Democrat before and likely never will again unless Trump runs.

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You voted for marxism and degeneracy. You're a lib.

*And you're now defending racist and criminal Eric Holder. A man as decent as the underside of a porta potty toilet seat.

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Biden but I've never voted for a Democrat before and likely never will again unless Trump runs.

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You voted for marxism and degeneracy. You're a lib.

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That's the definition of a lib. He's a big lib.

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There's a gish gallop there but let's start with 1. Holder was held in contempt not for lying, but for withholding some subpoenaed documents under executive privilege. He otherwise cooperated and testified at several F&F hearings.

Mark Meadows similarly was not charged because of partial cooperation and had valid EP claims.

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And what happened to Eric Holder for lying under oath?

What happened to him for failing to comply with congressional subpoenas? And why is a status of "otherwise cooperated" somehow different than what Trump has done in his relationship with NARA?

What happened to Lois Lerner for lying under oath? For that matter, what happened to John Koskinen for doing the same thing?

When the Internal Revenue Service, on a consistent basis, refused to comply with congressional subpoenas, what punishments were levied against them?

What happened to Hillary Clinton for destroying Federal records, destroying equipment housing Federal records, and housing classified information on unclassified and unsecured servers?

You want to hold Trump to a far different standard than you hold against your own folks.

Radical centrist? Try Democrat Party hack instead. It fits you better.

Gosh looks like you lost some of your ad-hom posts.
So don't complain about people attacking you.

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Classified markings do not determine whether information contained within is classified. Trump had ABSOLUTE authority to declassify, and no procedure has to be followed.

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The subpoena was for all documents "marked classified". Do you still not get this, or are you just pretending not to?

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Oh, so the FBI illegally seized the documents that were not "marked classified", since they weren't part of the warrant?

Also, marked classified does not necessarily mean the documents are still classified. So a statement that there are "no classified documents" would still be true if there were documents marked classified that had previously been declassified. It would require the FBI to investigate each document marked classified to determine if it was actually still classified to determine if the statement of "no classified documents" was false. Has the FBI issued a report finding that there were indeed documents that were confirmed as classified? If not, we can't know if the statement was true or false.

As a bonus, a photo released by the FBI showing documents can't be of still classified documents as that would still classified information. So everything you saw in the photo is not proof of the lie.

The search warrant legally authorized the FBI to seize documents comingled with classified documents, as that would be possible evidence of illegal handling and possession. Your "feelings" that it was illegal doesn't make it so.

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Also, marked classified does not necessarily mean the documents are still classified. So a statement that there are "no classified documents" would still be true if there were documents marked classified that had previously been declassified.

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The false statement Bobb signed represented that all documents "marked classified" were returned.

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As a bonus, a photo released by the FBI showing documents can't be of still classified documents as that would still classified information.

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It can be if the markings are shown but the sensitive contents, which are what matter, are redacted.

You're about 8 pages and 2 months behind on this discussion.

Wow didn't realize 10/24 was 2 months ago.

The subpoena and subsequent lie in response, was for government documents marked classified. This information is 2 months old, almost 3 months. Try to keep up.

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The subpoena and subsequent lie in response, was for government documents marked classified. This information is 2 months old, almost 3 months. Try to keep up.

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So right now, the only "bombshell", even by your standards is that allegedly Trump's lawyer said all documents "marked classified" (we are unsure if actually classified or not), were not returned by Trump?

That is the only allegation you are arguing, correct?

And that is a "bombshell"?

Wow

The media and big tech are the communications wing of the democrats.

If there were credible, actionable, accusations and evidence, of serious crimes related to document mishandling, the DOJ, the administration, and every media outlet the world over would be having wall to wall coverage with 195 pt chyrons claiming Trump's indictment is near certain.

That isn't happening after months.

This was a bogus issue from the get go. Garland knows it and hopes it dies to save the tiny shred of credibility he has left.

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I don't like Trump, so I turned a blind eye to proof of Joe's corruption and voted for trillions of dollars in green new deal spending, ending fossil fuels, and opening up the border for millions of poor people per year to caravan up here, waltz across unfettered, claim asylum, and be granted amnesty. I hate America and destroying it intentionally so we could build back better sounded like a good idea at the time because of mean tweets.

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I don't like Trump, so I voted for communism instead.

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Whichever one of the two you are pretending to be, I don't believe you, pig. Your giddiness to post so much in support of an FBI raid on a former POTUS and likely future POTUS candidate and your penchant for posting on the two year old election day thread about how secure and fair that election was tell me you're a hard core communist and fine with the authoritarian leftist interference and control, Marxist imprisonment of political opponents, unfair elections to ensure we don't have a government of the people, by the people, for the people. You hate democracy. Did mean tweets really make you this way?

That and he's defending Eric Holder, a marxist extraordinare.

He can't stop with his failed accusations. When posters get under his skin, he comes back and attacks them, and usually has his posts removed. He'll be here until this thread is dead.

It's the most concrete and provable crime based on the available evidence.

Claiming "it was all declassified" changes when you switch the setting from Bannon's podcast to a courtroom.

2. Here's the NYT report on Kash Patel's asserting Fifth Amendment privilege and "prosecutors asked a top federal judge in Washington to force Mr. Patel to testify."

reporting my @nytmike @maggieNYT @alanfeuer https://t.co/j0SJigImvq

— Ryan Goodman (@rgoodlaw) October 25, 2022

"Provable crimes"

pig:

Useful idiot holding a sign 'arrest Trump' in NY is asked to explain his statement that Trump should be arrested for provable criminal acts

He can't 😂😂😂 ... because there are none.pic.twitter.com/rYLzXhwWq1

— wlctv.ca (@wlctv_ca) August 10, 2022

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It's the most concrete and provable crime based on the available evidence.

Claiming "it was all classified" changes when you switch the setting from Bannon's podcast to a courtroom.

2. Here's the NYT report on Kash Patel's asserting Fifth Amendment privilege and "prosecutors asked a top federal judge in Washington to force Mr. Patel to testify."

reporting my @nytmike @maggieNYT @alanfeuer https://t.co/j0SJigImvq

— Ryan Goodman (@rgoodlaw) October 25, 2022

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As I mentioned before, you sure assume a lot.

So you will admit that as of right now, two months after the raid, the only known allegation is that a Trump lawyer may have either misspoken or not told the truth about retaining documents "marked classified"? And all we have is a picture of folders marked classified?

So we do not know if there are any documents that are classified in those folders, correct?

And you say Trump will be indicted?

That is an incredibly big assumption of guilt with minimal if any evidence.

I would hope that if I was charged with anything, you would not be a juror.

Your emotion and bias cloud your judgement.
You are saying guilty until proven innocent.

That is not how it is supposed to work in the US.
That is Cuba or Venezuela stuff.

There are more known allegations that are very serious in the subpoena and the warrant affidavit. The false assertion and recovered documents are pretty damning facts supporting an obstruction charge.

The rest remains to be seen from a "courtroom standard" but we are free to discuss it and make some conclusions.

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You are saying guilty until proven innocent.

That is not how it is supposed to work in the IS.
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Where did I say he should not get due process in court? It doesn't apply to our own thoughts. What do you not get here? We can discuss the evidence and form conclusions.

OJ isn't innocent just because a court acquitted.

Is this you saying someone should be in jail before they've even been charged? I guess your due process standard is pliable.
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3301413/replies/62478826

No, I am saying that in your mind you have already convicted Trump due to emotion and bias.

Certainly not on known evidence.
And you stated your "conclusions" as facts.

You can not see that?

And my statement about Hunter was I thought he SHOULD be in jail.

Long way from you stating as fact Trump's lawyer lied and your statement "Trump will be indicted".

Words mean things. And reveal a lot.

I know exactly what you meant.

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It's the most concrete and provable crime based on the available evidence.

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But what about intent?

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And my statement about Hunter was I thought he SHOULD be in jail.

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Because of crimes you think he committed, without a trial. Which is fine. You don't see me policing your words as if we're in a courtroom. This is an internet message board.

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If you've seen it, you must be in the FBI. No one else has.

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Because of crimes you think he committed, without a trial. Which is fine. You don't see me policing your words as if we're in a courtroom. This is an internet message board.

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He's on video committing crimes.

With Trump, you have unnamed sources that may or may not exist and an FBI/DOJ that have already proven they will falsify information to get Donald Trump.