This has already been decided by a district court in case law in a case involving Bill Clinton and possession of privileged documents. The court found that the president's ability to declassify is essentially universal and not subject to the processes which are derived from the constitutional powers of the president.
So when are the bombshells from the FBI raid
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Never forget the left impeached Trump because he didn't listen to junior no-name, chubby, stolen valor Zindman when having a 1:1 head of state of state phone call with Ukraine.
These folks think Trump still made an illegal quid pro quo even though it was not a qpq, even if it was its not illegal / impeachable, and the subject was to look into Ukraine corruption with the Bidens that was PROVEN month's later via the Hunter laptop.
The blindfolds and the earplugs the left wears is… impressive.
These folks think Trump still made an illegal quid pro quo even though it was not a qpq, even if it was its not illegal / impeachable, and the subject was to look into Ukraine corruption with the Bidens that was PROVEN month's later via the Hunter laptop.
The blindfolds and the earplugs the left wears is… impressive.
"The absence of the word accountability is not the same as wanting no accountability" -unknown
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
Which makes it all the more curious to me that Barr, as a strong proponent of the unitary executive, thinks Trump has the most exposure here. Completely contradictory for him. Truly baffling to me.MouthBQ98 said:
This has already been decided by a district court in case law in a case involving Bill Clinton and possession of privileged documents. The court found that the president's ability to declassify is essentially universal and not subject to the processes which are derived from the constitutional powers of the president.
Hawg, I think for Barr he is just an old school rules and processes guy. Not defending him on that, but I think for guys like him he sees the potential for abuse and disorder by POTUS declassifying via mental telepathy and has a strong preference for the procedure Trump is not bound to follow.
I think he recognizes that at times of crisis the process may need to be circumvented, but Trump keeping Letters from Lil Kim / Rocket Man should have gone through the process.
Regardless, Barr muddies the waters with his comments.
I think he recognizes that at times of crisis the process may need to be circumvented, but Trump keeping Letters from Lil Kim / Rocket Man should have gone through the process.
Regardless, Barr muddies the waters with his comments.
"The absence of the word accountability is not the same as wanting no accountability" -unknown
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
fka ftc said:
When did Trump abscond with this purported documents? Oh before he left the White House?
Well, his testimony / defense just needs to be "I thunk them declassified before I packed them" and case is closed / dropped.
Sorry, but that's all that had to happen.
Oh he and his team has not raised that defense? Well, there has been no need to at this point.
Funny to watch folks fall for another Trump-focused hoax. And Trump loves being the center of attention. Sad to see some folks give it to him in the face of facts and common sense.
18 U.S.C. 793, 2071, and 1519 relate to government property and NDI and defiance of the subpoena. Welcome to a year ago.
Trump's after the fact lie about declassification matters not, it's just the cherry on top. A year late and a dollar short.
He knew what he was doing was illegal.
There it is. Espionage Act.
— Ryan Goodman (@rgoodlaw) May 26, 2023
“Other evidence demonstrates that the former president willfully sought to retain classified documents when he was not authorized to do so, and knew it.”
— sealed court opinion on crime fraud exception@alanfeuer @maggieNYThttps://t.co/UykokqM27j
Having done this back and forth with you for nearly a year, it remains clear you have no desire to learn the facts of the alleged issues, the ins and outs of POTUS classification authorities and you completely ignore the obvious political nature of these actions against a former POTUS and active candidates for same.
This is pure, unadulterated election interference and political prosecution. Even your latest posts is about a purported process crime and the key witness says something about moving boxes in a personal residence / office.
Keep it up though. I moved on from laughing at your posts to generally feeling sorry for folks like yourself who believe everything the DNC and Don Lemon feed you.
This is pure, unadulterated election interference and political prosecution. Even your latest posts is about a purported process crime and the key witness says something about moving boxes in a personal residence / office.
Keep it up though. I moved on from laughing at your posts to generally feeling sorry for folks like yourself who believe everything the DNC and Don Lemon feed you.
"The absence of the word accountability is not the same as wanting no accountability" -unknown
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
You make this claim, yet had no idea what items the subpoena demanded or the statutes under investigation. Classification status doesn't matter if it's government property, especially NDI. A judge and jury will decide if Trump, a noted liar, is telling the truth about classification.
Trump knew he wasn't supposed to have these documents, let others see them, and tried to hide them..
Trump knew he wasn't supposed to have these documents, let others see them, and tried to hide them..
If it's not classified, this is nothing more than a civil matter...Whistle Pig said:
You make this claim, yet had no idea what items the subpoena demanded or the statutes under investigation. Classification status doesn't matter if it's government property, especially NDI. A judge and jury will decide if Trump, a noted liar, is telling the truth about classification.
Trump knew he wasn't supposed to have these documents, let others see them, and tried to hide them..
Wrong.
Of course, the "declassification" is an obvious lie invented only after the docs were seized and not in the 18 months of prior back and forth with NARA. A lie his lawyers refuse to make in court.
Of course, the "declassification" is an obvious lie invented only after the docs were seized and not in the 18 months of prior back and forth with NARA. A lie his lawyers refuse to make in court.
I agree. You're wrong.Whistle Pig said:
Wrong.
Of course, the "declassification" is an obvious lie invented only after the docs were seized and not in the 18 months of prior back and forth with NARA. A lie his lawyers refuse to make in court.
But, keep tilting at windmills, Don...
You lose. I accept your surrender.
Wilfully and knowingly.
There it is. Espionage Act.
— Ryan Goodman (@rgoodlaw) May 26, 2023
“Other evidence demonstrates that the former president willfully sought to retain classified documents when he was not authorized to do so, and knew it.”
— sealed court opinion on crime fraud exception@alanfeuer @maggieNYThttps://t.co/UykokqM27j
Wilfully and knowingly.
And poor whistle is still batting .000. Maybe someday.
Whistle Pig said:
You lose. I accept your surrender.There it is. Espionage Act.
— Ryan Goodman (@rgoodlaw) May 26, 2023
“Other evidence demonstrates that the former president willfully sought to retain classified documents when he was not authorized to do so, and knew it.”
— sealed court opinion on crime fraud exception@alanfeuer @maggieNYThttps://t.co/UykokqM27j
Wilfully and knowingly.
Can't even tell if this is about Clinton, Biden, or Trump. It's a bit ridiculous all of them have these classified documents outside of secure areas on their own residences.
The difference is "knowingly and willingly" including intentional dissemination, plus the kicker felony defiance of a subpoena.
It's understandable to mix up notes without classified markings in 40 year old boxes, then voluntarily report it as Biden and Pence did. It's another thing to have your valet move boxes around the day before the FBI shows up to enforce a subpoena.
It's understandable to mix up notes without classified markings in 40 year old boxes, then voluntarily report it as Biden and Pence did. It's another thing to have your valet move boxes around the day before the FBI shows up to enforce a subpoena.
Rockdoc said:
And poor whistle is still batting .000. Maybe someday.
Derpdoc still here derping.
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3330907/replies/64900541
Manhattan said:
Don't lie to the feds and don't get your house raided, it is that simple. His lawyers said he returned xyz, that turned out to be a lie, so the FBI went to get it.
It's ok to lie to the feds, in court under oath, or to the FBI as long as one is loyal to the party/state, which are one-in-the-same in a fascist nation. A two-tiered "justice" system is always the norm in a one-party nation.
Whistle Pig said:Rockdoc said:
And poor whistle is still batting .000. Maybe someday.
Derpdoc still here derping.
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3330907/replies/64900541
Hillary transmitted well over 100 documents on a private server. Each was a felony. What charges were filed against her?
You know things are going downhill when the whataboutism starts be screeched. Here it comes!
blacksox said:
You know things are going downhill when the whataboutism starts be screeched. Here it comes!
Is asking for equal application of the law "whataboutism"?
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Yet you seem to be delivering judgment before even being remotely familiar with the facts of the situation, the relevant laws, precedent, etc and so on.Whistle Pig said:
You make this claim, yet had no idea what items the subpoena demanded or the statutes under investigation. Classification status doesn't matter if it's government property, especially NDI. A judge and jury will decide if Trump, a noted liar, is telling the truth about classification.
Trump knew he wasn't supposed to have these documents, let others see them, and tried to hide them..
Why don't you just squeal / whistle just a bit less until the process plays out, since you are so incredibly, undeniably confident of the circumstances and in Trump receiving a fair, just trial both in court and as portrayed by the DNC and MSM.
Again, if you are so confident you "got him", why not show just a bit of humility and let the process play out.
"The absence of the word accountability is not the same as wanting no accountability" -unknown
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
Why are you using an article that depends upon classification status?Whistle Pig said:
You lose. I accept your surrender.There it is. Espionage Act.
— Ryan Goodman (@rgoodlaw) May 26, 2023
“Other evidence demonstrates that the former president willfully sought to retain classified documents when he was not authorized to do so, and knew it.”
— sealed court opinion on crime fraud exception@alanfeuer @maggieNYThttps://t.co/UykokqM27j
Wilfully and knowingly.
I SPECIFICALLY was talking about non-classified documents...
Put those goalposts back, please...
He also has zero clue that non-classified document issues have ZERO criminal liability...fka ftc said:Yet you seem to be delivering judgment before even being remotely familiar with the facts of the situation, the relevant laws, precedent, etc and so on.Whistle Pig said:
You make this claim, yet had no idea what items the subpoena demanded or the statutes under investigation. Classification status doesn't matter if it's government property, especially NDI. A judge and jury will decide if Trump, a noted liar, is telling the truth about classification.
Trump knew he wasn't supposed to have these documents, let others see them, and tried to hide them..
Why don't you just squeal / whistle just a bit less until the process plays out, since you are so incredibly, undeniably confident of the circumstances and in Trump receiving a fair, just trial both in court and as portrayed by the DNC and MSM.
Again, if you are so confident you "got him", why not show just a bit of humility and let the process play out.
I know. Its not even worth trying to parse the actual facts of the case - its like Groundhog Day over and over again.
Its why I just put it back on them to await the judicial process, since they are so incredibly confident Trump is going to be justly tried and convicted.
Its why I just put it back on them to await the judicial process, since they are so incredibly confident Trump is going to be justly tried and convicted.
"The absence of the word accountability is not the same as wanting no accountability" -unknown
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
BREAKING: Jack Smith has an audio recording from summer 2021 of Trump acknowledging he retained a classified document after he left office. https://t.co/ft8gZr5Zh1
— Mueller, She Wrote (@MuellerSheWrote) May 31, 2023
Always can tell when a noisy sus domesticus has decided to wallow on F16.
Doesn't care that Biden had boxes of classified documents in multiple unsecured locations. Documents he could not declassify because VPs do not have that authority. Trump supposedly talked about a single document.
And of course always uses the most leftist site he can find as a "source".
Doesn't care that Biden had boxes of classified documents in multiple unsecured locations. Documents he could not declassify because VPs do not have that authority. Trump supposedly talked about a single document.
And of course always uses the most leftist site he can find as a "source".
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
Is it stored in the same location as the pee tape?
"CNN has not listened to the recording. But multiple sources......"
Breaking
This is the strategy: Leaks from the "investigation" to the media to trash Trump.
BTW did they ever find that Supreme Court leaker…….
This is the strategy: Leaks from the "investigation" to the media to trash Trump.
BTW did they ever find that Supreme Court leaker…….
The leak could be from anybody who knows about the tape. Over a dozen have been witnesses at the grand jury. Mostly Trump employees and lawyers.
You really are a disrespectful guess with your comments and continual posting with no verified new evidence.
Particularly with retorts people just got to "Breitbart".
Flagged for obvious trolling.
Particularly with retorts people just got to "Breitbart".
Flagged for obvious trolling.
"The absence of the word accountability is not the same as wanting no accountability" -unknown
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
What would you consider "verified new evidence"? Grand jury proceedings are secret, this is the best you'll get until if/ when charges are filed. Trump's people talk to reporters, grand jury witnesses talk to reporters.
This is the internet my dude.
This is the internet my dude.
Haha Mr. TDS had bumped this thread yet again. Hilarious!
Whistle Pig said:
What would you consider "verified new evidence"? Grand jury proceedings are secret, this is the best you'll get until if/ when charges are filed. Trump's people talk to reporters, grand jury witnesses talk to reporters.
This is the internet my dude.
So still nothing but unnamed sources and people
Who heard from people who heard from people that there may be another pee pee tape with classified markings.
So the media and your friends now recognize trump had authority to declassify anything but this secret tape proves he did not "think" that particular document to be declassified, and that is now evidence it was not classified and so he goes to jail for not thinking it before January 21, 2021 or that he Miss remembered later in 2021 or that he admitted it on tape and then lied in 2022 or had his lawyers lie, and thus a process crime occurred and that means Biden can jail his political rival.
Got it. Seems very legit. Thanks for updating us.
"The absence of the word accountability is not the same as wanting no accountability" -unknown
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
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