FAKE NEWS

DuncanLEO said:

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One thing for sure, this D'Souza guy knows how to make a buck.

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For spreading the word on this? Good for him. He deserves it.

D'Souza deserves every penny he has made educating people on the Deep State.

He DIDN'T deserve to go to prison for the political witch hunt. May the tables turn on the Left and they get it as bad as they gave it.

AggieVictor10 said:

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FAKE NEWS

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You leftist sheep will buy anything!

RGLAG85 said:

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AggieVictor10 said:

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FAKE NEWS

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You leftist sheep will buy anything!

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Except for the 2000 Mules book. no one will be buying that apparently

TTV did some great forensic data analytics with massive amounts of cell phone gps data. What they've put together should, at the very least, spur some serious questions that deserve a real law enforcement investigation rather than immediate dismissal and censorship. They tried to tie what they could with the very limited number of insecure drop boxes that actually had some obtainable surveillance footage to provide even further corroborative evidence of what the data showed. This is the compelling evidence that was used in Dinesh's movie.

What Dinesh and TTV couldn't do in the movie was name who was paying the "mules" (presumably NGOs like those created by Stacey Abrams) and how those nonprofit NGOs could afford to pay the mules (presumably Zuck bucks).

I'm guessing the book comes right out with it- names NGOs, etc. and TTV wants to protect themselves and wants no part of it as they don't have enough proof, don't have the means to defend themselves vs billionaires and deep state establishment, or threats have been made.

oh no said:

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TTV did some great forensic data analytics with massive amounts of cell phone gps data. What they've put together should, at the very least, spur some serious questions that deserve a real law enforcement investigation rather than immediate dismissal and censorship. They tried to tie what they could with the very limited number of insecure drop boxes that actually had some obtainable surveillance footage to provide even further corroborative evidence of what the data showed. This is the compelling evidence that was used in Dinesh's movie.

What Dinesh and TTV couldn't do in the movie was name who was paying the "mules" (presumably NGOs like those created by Stacey Abrams) and how those nonprofit NGOs could afford to pay the mules (presumably Zuck bucks).

I'm guessing the book comes right out with it- names NGOs, etc. and TTV wants to protect themselves and wants no part of it as they don't have enough proof, don't have the means to defend themselves vs billionaires and deep state establishment, or threats have been made.

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If so, containing names for real, then he should dump the book as a pdf free on the dark web or general Internet. This is a case where getting the truth out there would be more important than profit.



But here's the thing --- does he NEED to prove who PAID criminals if this really was demonstrated? Isn't it enough if he really did show the italics convincingly (I have read the various threads and discussions but not seen it) --- does it matter WHO paid them to establish it happened, or if maybe they did it for zealotry reasons rather than pay, wouldn't the result be the same --- proof the election was defauded in places like this???

oh no said:

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TTV did some great forensic data analytics with massive amounts of cell phone gps data. What they've put together should, at the very least, spur some serious questions that deserve a real law enforcement investigation rather than immediate dismissal and censorship. They tried to tie what they could with the very limited number of insecure drop boxes that actually had some obtainable surveillance footage to provide even further corroborative evidence of what the data showed. This is the compelling evidence that was used in Dinesh's movie.

What Dinesh and TTV couldn't do in the movie was name who was paying the "mules" (presumably NGOs like those created by Stacey Abrams) and how those nonprofit NGOs could afford to pay the mules (presumably Zuck bucks).

I'm guessing the book comes right out with it- names NGOs, etc. and TTV wants to protect themselves and wants no part of it as they don't have enough proof, don't have the means to defend themselves vs billionaires and deep state establishment, or threats have been made.

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This is the most likely scenario but the good little leftist here will say "see, I told you there was no cheating."

Oh, they already have....

Yep, if you're going to publish a book accusing someone of a crime, you better have your case tightened up, vetted completely, and you better be 100 percent telling the truth because accusing someone of a crime in print is libel per se. It's a big deal. You can't just say people have committed crimes flippantly (also this is why Fox News is in a 1.6 billion dollar lawsuit with Dominion after their on-air accusations that Dominion was committing federal crimes with their electronic voting machines).

So I don't know what to make of Dinesh and Regnery Publishing not even bothering to ask to interview and respond to claims of criminal activity from at least one of the NGO organizations that was named in the recalled book. At the very least, it's indefensibly lazy given the gravity of what the book is claiming they were involved with. Worst case, they're going to find themselves in court and they'll probably lose..

If True The Vote is distancing themselves from this book, and even Dinesh's publisher won't stand behind it, why should anyone else take this seriously?

titan said:

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oh no said:

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TTV did some great forensic data analytics with massive amounts of cell phone gps data. What they've put together should, at the very least, spur some serious questions that deserve a real law enforcement investigation rather than immediate dismissal and censorship. They tried to tie what they could with the very limited number of insecure drop boxes that actually had some obtainable surveillance footage to provide even further corroborative evidence of what the data showed. This is the compelling evidence that was used in Dinesh's movie.

What Dinesh and TTV couldn't do in the movie was name who was paying the "mules" (presumably NGOs like those created by Stacey Abrams) and how those nonprofit NGOs could afford to pay the mules (presumably Zuck bucks).

I'm guessing the book comes right out with it- names NGOs, etc. and TTV wants to protect themselves and wants no part of it as they don't have enough proof, don't have the means to defend themselves vs billionaires and deep state establishment, or threats have been made.

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If so, containing names for real, then he should dump the book as a pdf free on the dark web or general Internet. This is a case where getting the truth out there would be more important than profit.



But here's the thing --- does he NEED to prove who PAID criminals if this really was demonstrated? Isn't it enough if he really did show the italics convincingly (I have read the various threads and discussions but not seen it) --- does it matter WHO paid them to establish it happened, or if maybe they did it for zealotry reasons rather than pay, wouldn't the result be the same --- proof the election was defauded in places like this???

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The book is out there - NPR has a copy - so it's not like the "names" will remain a secret that need to be leaked on the dark web. NPR contacted all of the organizations for comment and published responses from two of them (and named names - New George Project and National Education Association).

I do agree with you, getting out legitimate information proving illegal activity related to massive voting fraud should be WAY more important than profit. With that in mind, why would threats of lawsuits from the organizations being accused lead the accusers to back off of the claims? It seems like a lawsuit by an organization that was allegedly committing massive voter fraud would be the perfect avenue to bring the activity into the light (would give True The Vote and D'Souza access to the books and internal communications of those organizations so that the claims could be validated).

TheHulkster said:

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Yep, if you're going to publish a book accusing someone of a crime, you better have your case tightened up, vetted completely, and you better be 100 percent telling the truth because accusing someone of a crime in print is libel per se. It's a big deal. You can't just say people have committed crimes flippantly (also this is why Fox News is in a 1.6 billion dollar lawsuit with Dominion after their on-air accusations that Dominion was committing federal crimes with their electronic voting machines).

So I don't know what to make of Dinesh and Regnery Publishing not even bothering to ask to interview and respond to claims of criminal activity from at least one of the NGO organizations that was named in the recalled book. At the very least, it's indefensibly lazy given the gravity of what the book is claiming they were involved with. Worst case, they're going to find themselves in court and they'll probably lose..

If True The Vote is distancing themselves from this book, and even Dinesh's publisher won't stand behind it, why should anyone else take this seriously?

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Because the evidence overwhelmingly points to there being illegal activity.

The evidence that was laid out in a book that its own publisher didn't see fit to publish? Or the evidence that the author received from True the Vote that also wants nothing to do with his book?

TheHulkster said:

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The evidence that was laid out in a book that its own publisher didn't see fit to publish? Or the evidence that the author received from True the Vote that also wants nothing to do with his book?

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You can continue to be obtuse or you can look at reality and see that something illegal and fishy happened but the publisher and true the vote are not willing to put their names on the line regarding the exact "who" did the crime. At this point, if you aren't convinced cheating happened, you never will be. Who exactly was behind it all has yet to be proven convincingly.

next election I'm going to dress up like the hamburglar and slink around ballot boxes with a bunch of ballots in my hand so it shows up on video. Dinesh can do another documentary and y'all will buy it.

TheHulkster said:

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Yep, if you're going to publish a book accusing someone of a crime, you better have your case tightened up, vetted completely, and you better be 100 percent telling the truth because accusing someone of a crime in print is libel per se. It's a big deal. You can't just say people have committed crimes flippantly (also this is why Fox News is in a 1.6 billion dollar lawsuit with Dominion after their on-air accusations that Dominion was committing federal crimes with their electronic voting machines).

So I don't know what to make of Dinesh and Regnery Publishing not even bothering to ask to interview and respond to claims of criminal activity from at least one of the NGO organizations that was named in the recalled book. At the very least, it's indefensibly lazy given the gravity of what the book is claiming they were involved with. Worst case, they're going to find themselves in court and they'll probably lose..

If True The Vote is distancing themselves from this book, and even Dinesh's publisher won't stand behind it, why should anyone else take this seriously?

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It shouldn't matter at all if all loose ends are not exactly known. The fact that D'Souza would open himself up to legal peril to get the word out at all should be applauded. The deep state has all but made it impossible,short of water boarding, to know the whole truth. All that matters is that, thanks to Dinesh D'Souza and others we know that zuckerberg used data analysis tied to leftists mule manpower to commit targeted election fraud that changed the outcome of the 2020 election.
And the biggest problem is the number of goal tending useful idiots who continue to carry water for the left as they prepare to commit election fraud in the mid terms. We need to take measures to make voting more secure not relax those measures more!

You admitted to voting like a clown during the last election. I don't see that anything would be different.

GeorgiAg said:

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next election I'm going to dress up like the hamburglar and slink around ballot boxes with a bunch of ballots in my hand so it shows up on video. Dinesh can do another documentary and y'all will buy it.

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So the people who made multiple drops to ballot boxes all over town were just trolls?

BuddysBud said:

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You admitted to voting like a clown during the last election. I don't see that anything would be different.

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geoag58 said:

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TheHulkster said:

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Yep, if you're going to publish a book accusing someone of a crime, you better have your case tightened up, vetted completely, and you better be 100 percent telling the truth because accusing someone of a crime in print is libel per se. It's a big deal. You can't just say people have committed crimes flippantly (also this is why Fox News is in a 1.6 billion dollar lawsuit with Dominion after their on-air accusations that Dominion was committing federal crimes with their electronic voting machines).

So I don't know what to make of Dinesh and Regnery Publishing not even bothering to ask to interview and respond to claims of criminal activity from at least one of the NGO organizations that was named in the recalled book. At the very least, it's indefensibly lazy given the gravity of what the book is claiming they were involved with. Worst case, they're going to find themselves in court and they'll probably lose..

If True The Vote is distancing themselves from this book, and even Dinesh's publisher won't stand behind it, why should anyone else take this seriously?

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It shouldn't matter at all if all loose ends are not exactly known. The fact that D'Souza would open himself up to legal peril to get the word out at all should be applauded. The deep state has all but made it impossible,short of water boarding, to know the whole truth. All that matters is that, thanks to Dinesh D'Souza and others we know that zuckerberg used data analysis tied to leftists mule manpower to commit targeted election fraud that changed the outcome of the 2020 election.
And the biggest problem is the number of goal tending useful idiots who continue to carry water for the left as they prepare to commit election fraud in the mid terms. We need to take measures to make voting more secure not relax those measures more!

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Its truly sickening

Oh, don't get it twisted. I think there were plenty of shenanigans happening with the 2020 election.

But at this point, it's time to throw 2000 Mules overboard. The whole thing stinks.

No sense in arguing with him. He's terribly infected with TDS… he's part of the reason why we currently have a vegetable as POTUS

TheHulkster said:

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Oh, don't get it twisted. I think there were plenty of shenanigans happening with the 2020 election.

But at this point, it's time to throw 2000 Mules overboard. The whole thing stinks.

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I disagree. If anyone can watch the movie and still have doubt as to the illegitimacy of the election, they should be placed in supervised care for their own good.

"If we win it was fair, if we lose it was rigged" is a really dumb outlook on life.

America is changing.

TheHulkster said:

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Oh, don't get it twisted. I think there were plenty of shenanigans happening with the 2020 election.

But at this point, it's time to throw 2000 Mules overboard. The whole thing stinks.

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2000 Mules just confirms one of the strategies the establishment used to "save the 2020 election" that was published in the Time article.

I see no reason to ignore the fact that unsecured election drop boxes is not a useful way to run secure elections.

The corrupt media selectively hiding anything that might make Biden look bad and lying about Trump and his family was another effective tool used to destroy the democratic process.

The current administration is doubling down by using the justice system to attack political foes as they intentionally destroy the economy and give our enemies political, economic, and military aid.

GeorgiAg said:

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"If we win it was fair, if we lose it was rigged" is a really dumb outlook on life.

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Cause thats exactly what everyone is saying

I don't think the film is worth anyone's time. And now that the book has been kiboshed by its publisher, well, that should tell you all you need to know about how much weight the book should hold.

I watched the film when it first came out, and found it more frustrating than anything. It should've been compelling, but ultimately it was just a sloppy, unsatisfying, unfocused mess.

I laid out my reasons why earlier in this thread.

I was pretty much done with 2000 Mules and everyone associated with it way before Dinesh's publisher recalled it. And now that the publisher of the book and the data providers (TTV) who I already had my doubts about are distancing themselves from the book, I think you can go ahead and put a fork in it.

I'm not saying we shouldn't care about election security and fighting for fair, transparent elections. In fact, there's nothing more important than that. I'm not saying that there isn't evidence pointing to cheating in 2020. I'm saying that 2000 Mules, Dinesh, and TTV are too tainted to be useful in this fight. It's time for someone more capable than them to tag in.

What does that have anything to do with people dropping off multiple ballots and several different locations?

Have you even bothered to watch any of the footage?

TheHulkster said:

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I don't think the film is worth anyone's time. And now that the book has been kiboshed by its publisher, well, that should tell you all you need to know about how much weight the book should hold.

I watched the film when it first came out, and found it more frustrating than anything. It should've been compelling, but ultimately it was just a sloppy, unsatisfying, unfocused mess.

I laid out my reasons why earlier in this thread.

I was pretty much done with 2000 Mules and everyone associated with it way before Dinesh's publisher recalled it. And now that the publisher of the book and the data providers (TTV) who I already had my doubts about are distancing themselves from the book, I think you can go ahead and put a fork in it.

I'm not saying we shouldn't care about election security and fighting for fair, transparent elections. In fact, there's nothing more important than that. I'm not saying that there isn't evidence pointing to cheating in 2020. I'm saying that 2000 Mules, Dinesh, and TTV are too tainted to be useful in this fight. It's time for someone more capable than them to tag in.

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This is just patently false.

You obviously have a personal grudge against the presenter and can't separate the message from the messenger.

That's a lazy take, bro.

I laid out the reasons I didn't like the film at length, and not one time did it have anything to do with personal animus with regards to Dinesh.

GeorgiAg said:

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"If we win it was fair, if we lose it was rigged" is a really dumb outlook on life.

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Are you talking about the Democratic Party leadership that claimed this previously?

When Bill Barr says the film is nonsense and the publisher has an emergency pull of books it paid a buttload to publish, you know the premise is dumb.

geoag58 said:

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TheHulkster said:

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Yep, if you're going to publish a book accusing someone of a crime, you better have your case tightened up, vetted completely, and you better be 100 percent telling the truth because accusing someone of a crime in print is libel per se. It's a big deal. You can't just say people have committed crimes flippantly (also this is why Fox News is in a 1.6 billion dollar lawsuit with Dominion after their on-air accusations that Dominion was committing federal crimes with their electronic voting machines).

So I don't know what to make of Dinesh and Regnery Publishing not even bothering to ask to interview and respond to claims of criminal activity from at least one of the NGO organizations that was named in the recalled book. At the very least, it's indefensibly lazy given the gravity of what the book is claiming they were involved with. Worst case, they're going to find themselves in court and they'll probably lose..

If True The Vote is distancing themselves from this book, and even Dinesh's publisher won't stand behind it, why should anyone else take this seriously?

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It shouldn't matter at all if all loose ends are not exactly known. The fact that D'Souza would open himself up to legal peril to get the word out at all should be applauded. The deep state has all but made it impossible,short of water boarding, to know the whole truth. All that matters is that, thanks to Dinesh D'Souza and others we know that zuckerberg used data analysis tied to leftists mule manpower to commit targeted election fraud that changed the outcome of the 2020 election.
And the biggest problem is the number of goal tending useful idiots who continue to carry water for the left as they prepare to commit election fraud in the mid terms. We need to take measures to make voting more secure not relax those measures more!

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As point out above, there are two very distinct elements here, and people should not let static confuse and blend the two.

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D'Souza and associates claim to have shown and documented methodology and instances of blatant election fraud in a video that has been fairly well received by those with an open mind.

B) Now in a controversial book, he seems to have gotten into trouble because made all kinds of accusations or naming of supposed funders and backers of this fraud process. Even risking legal jeopardy enough where the publisher pulled the book.


To demonstrate fraud, it is neither necessary or especially relevant to be able to prove who the backer was and how the payment/recompense was made. Its bad enough the fraud can be documented. The backer was a Leftist pro Democrat of one kind or another if it took place --that suffices for where ballot for Biden is concerned.

So......

Is (A) True or Not True, should be the only question? Who paid them, or if zealotry they did it pro bono, is secondary.

If (A) is Not True, then the whole thing can be dropped. But the Election thread appears to rule that out clearly - establishing that this process is feasible. And long ago established more than one type of shenanigans.


If (B) was over-hasty or libelous --- does it mean the evidence in (A) is faulty. Again, haven't seen it said it was faked documentation yet.

That's all.

Blows me away how many people were conned by the movie thinking it was real.

TikkaShooter said:

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Blows me away how many people were conned by the movie thinking it was real.

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So you watched it to speak with such conviction? (Have not)