2000 Mules

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blacksox said:

Enviroag02 said:

I can't imagine being so indoctrinated by the left that one just blindly continues to say, "this doesn't prove anything" as evidence continues to pile up. You would think a little bit of self evaluation might reveal how ignorant that is and lead to the questioning of their party's entire platform.
It's been over 18 months since the election and this "mounting evidence" is still just a bunch of nothing burger that has been poured out in Court dozens of times. At this point, you all are watching the grainy Bigfoot video looking for something millions of people somehow missed. That and paying grifters a bunch of money for the privilege of doing so.


Surely you understand the difference between courts considering the evidence and ruling against it versus ruling against case based on lack of standing or injury and the nuances of the later? Lack of standing because one state doesn't have an interest in another states elections and lack of injury because a pre election lawsuit (which was done) hadn't yet incurred a result of the states legislatures being bypassed to change election law. Surely you understand that just parroting "the courts have spoken" shows exactly how ignorant you are.
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GeorgiAg said:

Plot twist. The ballot box fraud was all Trumpanzees. He lost by more!
Oh look, our resident fake conservative taking a swipe yet again at Trump voters. Shocked, shocked I am.
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nortex97 said:

GeorgiAg said:

Plot twist. The ballot box fraud was all Trumpanzees. He lost by more!
Oh look, our resident fake conservative taking a swipe yet again at Trump voters. Shocked, shocked I am.
It's too easy. Oh come one, it's a joke. I still regret my vote in hindsight. Trump was not bad at all on policy issues, but he is still a fragile narcissist.

This election fraud nonsense is dumb.
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GeorgiAg said:

nortex97 said:

GeorgiAg said:

Plot twist. The ballot box fraud was all Trumpanzees. He lost by more!
Oh look, our resident fake conservative taking a swipe yet again at Trump voters. Shocked, shocked I am.
It's too easy. Oh come one, it's a joke. I still regret my vote in hindsight. Trump was not bad at all on policy issues, but he is still a fragile narcissist.

This election fraud nonsense is dumb.
I notice yet again you present zero bases for this assertion, on a thread...about a documentary film regarding said election fraud. What part of the mule evidence do you dispute/find dumb? Have you watched any of it, or read anything outside of CNN/MSNBC/PBS/NPR/DU etc. that discusses it at all?
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GeorgiAg said:

nortex97 said:

GeorgiAg said:

Plot twist. The ballot box fraud was all Trumpanzees. He lost by more!
Oh look, our resident fake conservative taking a swipe yet again at Trump voters. Shocked, shocked I am.
It's too easy. Oh come one, it's a joke. I still regret my vote in hindsight. Trump was not bad at all on policy issues, but he is still a fragile narcissist.

This election fraud nonsense is dumb.
If it as dumb as you say, what are your rational explanations for correlation of the cell phone data, geofences around drop boxes, stash houses operated by NGOs and corroboration by video of some of drop boxes timed up to match the cell phone geolocation?
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Enviroag02 said:

blacksox said:

Enviroag02 said:

I can't imagine being so indoctrinated by the left that one just blindly continues to say, "this doesn't prove anything" as evidence continues to pile up. You would think a little bit of self evaluation might reveal how ignorant that is and lead to the questioning of their party's entire platform.
It's been over 18 months since the election and this "mounting evidence" is still just a bunch of nothing burger that has been poured out in Court dozens of times. At this point, you all are watching the grainy Bigfoot video looking for something millions of people somehow missed. That and paying grifters a bunch of money for the privilege of doing so.


Surely you understand the difference between courts considering the evidence and ruling against it versus ruling against case based on lack of standing or injury and the nuances of the later? Lack of standing because one state doesn't have an interest in another states elections and lack of injury because a pre election lawsuit (which was done) hadn't yet incurred a result of the states legislatures being bypassed to change election law. Surely you understand that just parroting "the courts have spoken" shows exactly how ignorant you are.
people are choosing to be ignorant about it because their team "won" and they love the amazing inflationary spending, war spending, mass migration, division and destruction of the country they hate so much and they're such big fans of the racist, corrupt, pedo, senile old career politician- a man who is supposedly, by far, the most popular politician in US history.
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nortex97 said:

GeorgiAg said:

nortex97 said:

GeorgiAg said:

Plot twist. The ballot box fraud was all Trumpanzees. He lost by more!
Oh look, our resident fake conservative taking a swipe yet again at Trump voters. Shocked, shocked I am.
It's too easy. Oh come one, it's a joke. I still regret my vote in hindsight. Trump was not bad at all on policy issues, but he is still a fragile narcissist.

This election fraud nonsense is dumb.
I notice yet again you present zero bases for this assertion, on a thread...about a documentary film regarding said election fraud. What part of the mule evidence do you dispute/find dumb? Have you watched any of it, or read anything outside of CNN/MSNBC/PBS/NPR/DU etc. that discusses it at all?
$30 to watch conspiracy theory fan fiction that even Newsmax won't discuss? No thanks.

The burden of proof is on those making the claim. Our elected government(s), even GOP, certified the election. The claim is that there was a massive undetected conspiracy to overthrow the election.
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aggiehawg said:

GeorgiAg said:

nortex97 said:

GeorgiAg said:

Plot twist. The ballot box fraud was all Trumpanzees. He lost by more!
Oh look, our resident fake conservative taking a swipe yet again at Trump voters. Shocked, shocked I am.
It's too easy. Oh come one, it's a joke. I still regret my vote in hindsight. Trump was not bad at all on policy issues, but he is still a fragile narcissist.

This election fraud nonsense is dumb.
If it as dumb as you say, what are your rational explanations for correlation of the cell phone data, geofences around drop boxes, stash houses operated by NGOs and corroboration by video of some of drop boxes timed up to match the cell phone geolocation?
Sounds like something Trump supporters would do. I'm kidding, but putting envelopes in boxes does not prove they were for Biden or that they weren't valid voters who filled out the ballots.
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So your "argument" is your own willful ignorance. Neat. Don't you claim to be a partner in a law firm?
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Sounds like something Trump supporters would do. I'm kidding, but putting envelopes in boxes does not prove they were for Biden or that they weren't valid voters who filled out the ballots.
Where is the data showing a direct link to a single voter? The NGOs were not out canvassing to gather them to then hold in a location for pick up, because that is illegal in Georgia.

So where are those people on videotape getting multiple ballots? Not from actual voters. What is the, again rational, explanation for that?
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oldyeller said:

I just watched it, and while the allegations certainly merit investigation, I didn't really see a smoking gun, as I was surprised they didn't even consider the following:

  • The folks wearing gloves could just as easily have been germaphobes, wary of touching surfaces touched by others due to all the COVID hysteria, as they could be folks trying to avoid leaving fingerprints on ballot envelopes. I've got family like that: still wearing masks in public, putting sanitizer on everything, and basically still freaking out about the pandemic over our protests that they don't need to worry, and the gloves/sanitizer isn't going to do much against an aerosol transmitted virus anyhow.
  • The folks taking pics of the ballot boxes could have been taking the photos as proof of where they submitted their ballot if there was any question about the validity of their vote that they might have to contest with the local voting authority, so that too seemed a stretch to infer that that could only be "mules collecting proof for payment."
  • I kept wondering if they even considered that an Uber/Lyft driver could have been regularly covering the routes that were shown, and easily been within proximity of the geofences they setup around the ballot collection boxes.
  • In several of the surveillance vids it looked like the boxes were already full, and some ballots fell out as the individual tried to stuff theirs in, rather than a clear case of that person coming with a stack of ballots and trying to jam them all into the collection box.

In short, if one is being fair, the filmmakers leave plenty of room to establish reasonable doubt about the charges being forwarded, without significantly more detail about methods, locations, etc. being provided to make it an iron-clad case.
I will go to my grave knowing the 2020 election was stolen, whether the methods are ever proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Using mules to stuff drop boxes in the middle of the night could do it. Zuckerberg's money and paid mules could have easily swung the election in just the right places. Since we have photos and cell phone data, it should be simple enough to identify some people and ask them to validate their actions.
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WHOOP!'91 said:

oldyeller said:

I just watched it, and while the allegations certainly merit investigation, I didn't really see a smoking gun, as I was surprised they didn't even consider the following:

  • The folks wearing gloves could just as easily have been germaphobes, wary of touching surfaces touched by others due to all the COVID hysteria, as they could be folks trying to avoid leaving fingerprints on ballot envelopes. I've got family like that: still wearing masks in public, putting sanitizer on everything, and basically still freaking out about the pandemic over our protests that they don't need to worry, and the gloves/sanitizer isn't going to do much against an aerosol transmitted virus anyhow.
  • The folks taking pics of the ballot boxes could have been taking the photos as proof of where they submitted their ballot if there was any question about the validity of their vote that they might have to contest with the local voting authority, so that too seemed a stretch to infer that that could only be "mules collecting proof for payment."
  • I kept wondering if they even considered that an Uber/Lyft driver could have been regularly covering the routes that were shown, and easily been within proximity of the geofences they setup around the ballot collection boxes.
  • In several of the surveillance vids it looked like the boxes were already full, and some ballots fell out as the individual tried to stuff theirs in, rather than a clear case of that person coming with a stack of ballots and trying to jam them all into the collection box.

In short, if one is being fair, the filmmakers leave plenty of room to establish reasonable doubt about the charges being forwarded, without significantly more detail about methods, locations, etc. being provided to make it an iron-clad case.
I will go to my grave knowing the 2020 election was stolen, whether the methods are ever proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Using mules to stuff drop boxes in the middle of the night could do it. Zuckerberg's money and paid mules could have easily swung the election in just the right places. Since we have photos and cell phone data, it should be simple enough to identify some people and ask them to validate their actions.

Wonder what the left would do if Musk put $300 million into the next election. Hmmm……
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I just watched the whole thing at bitchute. My initial feeling is that it is fairly compelling (and people should definitely use it as the jumping off point for more investigation), but really, really frustrating in many key parts, and mainly I wish they would've done it better in pretty much every area altogether. Most of the important questions I have (mainly, the who) were left unanswered, and it makes no sense why. Don't say for fear of libel or defamation lawsuits: truth is an absolute defense to that.

The most compelling information should've been the True The Vote geolocation data, and Gregg Phillips and Catherine Engelbrecht's analysis of that data, coupled with the state-provided security camera footage. That would be the smoking gun, and what they should've exclusively focused on. Maybe they really do have the goods, but they do a lot more "asserting" than "showing" in this film.

Really, the whole hour and a half film should've been talking about that and fleshing out that True the Vote data, authenticating that information, explaining how our phones are pinged and located by towers and apps, naming names of the activist organizations, explaining and demonstrating how they determined that out-of-staters who were at antifa/BLM demonstrations were also mules rather than just asserting it, and answering the questions that would logically follow from all these allegations. Just an explain-like-I'm-five presentation of cell towers/tracking apps/geolocation would've gone a long way. Ten trillions of bits of data they purchased, and 4 million minutes of security video they got from the states, so let's dive in exhaustively as you can...because you absolutely know that people are going to be picking this apart and writing stories about how your whole approach is flawed.

They start to get into the type of thing I would want to see at the 30 minute 24 second mark. Alright, you found a mule's route in one day? Cool, sync up the the security film data with the geolocation data. Walk us through that entire day with time stamps, security footage, and tower pings. Attempt to find this person. That would be juicy af. That would be compelling. Maybe they have that, I don't know. But they didn't show that.

I didn't need to hear anything from Larry Elder, Dennis Prager, et. al. I don't need to hear from Hans von Spakovsky. Or informants with blacked-out faces that won't even go on record officially. That's not at all compelling to me.

Yes, the lady who walked up to the drop box in the dead of night with gloves on, made a deposit into the ballot box, then turned and removed her gloves and dropped those into a nearby trashcan that she didn't even look at and was out of her line of sight on her approach (suggesting she had done this before as she was aware the trash can was there) is very curious and deserves a lot more scrutiny.

So scrutinize it.

Where else did she go in the dead of night? Where did she come from? What was her route? Had she been to that particular drop box before this night? How many times? What were the dates and times of those other trips? We know that drop box has security footage as we're seeing her in it, so show us the previous trip(s) she made on video. Do you have (or others like her) on video multiple times? Tell us specifically where she went, show the time stamps, the geolocation data before and after. What 501c3 stash houses did she go beforehand? Where are they located? Who owns the property? Did you get vehicles on camera? License plates? Can you find out who she is? Why or why not? Did you attempt to interview her? Show don't just assert.

It's frustrating because they absolutely KNEW this film was going to be doubted and debunked by mainstream media--in fact, they even prognosticate what the media will say about 2000 Mules at the 1 hour 23 minute mark--and even so, I feel like they didn't give us their best shot. Or more worryingly, maybe this is their best shot.

Maybe True The Vote has the goods, I don't know. D'Souza asks them specifically at the 35:05 mark if they have specific video evidence of mules making multiple trips to multiple drop boxes, and they say they do. If that's the case, they should've done a better job.
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TikkaShooter said:

Agree. 100%. And that's an assumption we have to make until there is more evidence. But the film makes a lot of connect the dot jumps that don't add up with the evidence provided.

What you're describing is illegal. Yes. Even if done 1x.

But the entire film is built on the premise that thousands of people repeated that act ten fold. 20 fold. More. And the math of those actions swung the election.

And TTV has shown me nothing to prove that math.

I'd also like to know how cell data proves someone is stuff a box with democratic ballots. Do you have to register your party affiliation with your cell phone company?
The stop at the leftist non-profit before heading to the drop box seems relevant here.
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Ben Shapiro just gave a good take on his podcast (paywall)about 2000 mules. Said it needs to go a lot further but also said AP's takedown of it was dishonest (no surprise). Just FYI
https://www.dailywire.com/episode/ep-1491-examining-2000-mules-and-the-2020-election

can somebody help an old guy out with the link?

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GeorgiAg said:

aggiehawg said:

GeorgiAg said:

nortex97 said:

GeorgiAg said:

Plot twist. The ballot box fraud was all Trumpanzees. He lost by more!
Oh look, our resident fake conservative taking a swipe yet again at Trump voters. Shocked, shocked I am.
It's too easy. Oh come one, it's a joke. I still regret my vote in hindsight. Trump was not bad at all on policy issues, but he is still a fragile narcissist.

This election fraud nonsense is dumb.
If it as dumb as you say, what are your rational explanations for correlation of the cell phone data, geofences around drop boxes, stash houses operated by NGOs and corroboration by video of some of drop boxes timed up to match the cell phone geolocation?
Sounds like something Trump supporters would do. I'm kidding, but putting envelopes in boxes does not prove they were for Biden or that they weren't valid voters who filled out the ballots.
Based on what? Your supposition is that Trump supporters gathered a group of (thousands of) mules, in urban Atlanta/Philly/Detroit/Phoenix etc., and then had TTV put out a movie about it, about to release the names of the nonprofits linked to the movements, and you think that is credible?

Wait, you are a lawyer, right? That's your best theory about this? How about a 'preponderance of the evidence' standard; how do you think an unbiased observer would fall on the evidence presented so far?
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Dr. Teeth said:

aggiehawg said:

Second, the web site is nearly ready for release within a few weeks or maybe even sooner. That was announced b Phillips and Englebrecht at the Saturday night premiere in Las Vegas.
So they are going to "release the Kraken" in a few weeks?

I certainly hope so, but I'm done holding my breath for any of this.

Again, if you've got footage of the same person dropping ballots in multiple locations on the same night like you claim in the movie, not including that footage in the movie is inexcusable.
I will say again: 1 person dropping ballots in a box for anyone other than immediate family is a crime, right there. Even if they don't have "repeat offenders", crimes were committed, illegal ballots were cast. The geodata indicates lots of repeat offenders, though. Let's see what they have or, better yet, there should be a special prosecutor assigned to investigate.

I want to see Mark Zuckerberg in jail and GeorgiAg's vote recipient leaving the WH because he was never elected.
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GeorgiAg said:

Plot twist. The ballot box fraud was all Trumpanzees. He lost by more!
You are the last person to be trying to display some keen sense of political awareness.
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Funky Winkerbean said:

GeorgiAg said:

Plot twist. The ballot box fraud was all Trumpanzees. He lost by more!
You are the last person to be trying to display some keen sense of political awareness.

Well he's got to do something with his time, (billable)
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It's still available to view at https://www.bitchute.com/video/oUxVva4yWsuu/

Just watched it, there is no doubt this election was stolen.
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Same folks who bought into Steele Dossier and Ukraine gate are now telling us all there was no election conspiracy.

Got it lol.
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Tailgate88 said:

It's still available to view at https://www.bitchute.com/video/oUxVva4yWsuu/

Just watched it, there is no doubt this election was stolen.
It still tickles me that people are stealing D'Souza's movie about a stolen election simply because it's easy and they would rather not pay for D'Souza's work.

If ever there was a thread to not admit to stealing it seems like it would be this one.
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Here is the rumble of the presentation made by Phillips and Englebrecht to the state assembly in Wisconsin this past March. More detail and particular to that state.

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ETA: For exacting detail go to the 32 minute mark. Data from four devices on one day in Milwaukee. Multiple drop boxes multiple visits. There's the granularity..

Second ETA: Go to 35 minute mark to see the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data. From that database they could identify which cell phones also were in attendance at BLM and Antifa events/riots.
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So let's see the video of multiple drops in the same day by the same individual.

There is no reason to hold it back at this point.


Their methods may be sound, but their messaging sucks. They either don't have the goods or are terrible at making a public case.
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Sequel to 2000 Mules coming out soon….




Or even 2000 deflections.
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redsquirrelAG said:

It's this simple. Registered voters. Votes counted. Biden total plus trump total equals 20 million more than registered voters. Biden couldn't get 50 to a rally. Trump had sold out arenas. Use your ****ing brain.


I enjoyed the documentary, but was frustrated that they couldn't manage to show a single example of a mule dropping off ballots at two different boxes.

We all know it happened. Their cell phone data strongly suggests it.

How is it possible that they couldn't catch the same person on camera twice? Defies belief.
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Keegan99 said:

So let's see the video of multiple drops in the same day by the same individual.

There is no reason to hold it back at this point.


Their methods may be sound, but their messaging sucks. They either don't have the goods or are terrible at making a public case.
So your position is that the unique devices that went to multiple drop boxes multiple times in one day in Milwaukee were people passing their cell phones around to other people?

See my post above at the time indicated on the presentation in Wisconsin. And yes, the movie really messed up in their presentation.
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True The Vote also seems to assert that it was their organization that cracked the case on the murder of Secoriea Turner using these same cell phone data mining techniques.

Has anyone seen any confirmation on that? I'm finding nothing.
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TheHulkster said:

True The Vote also seems to assert that it was their organization that cracked the case on the murder of Secoriea Turner using these same cell phone data mining techniques.

Has anyone seen any confirmation on that? I'm finding nothing.
They never said they "cracked the case". They supplied the information they had to detectives handling the case, and two arrests were made. True The Vote is wise in leaving it at that as it prevents legal blow back. I took from that situation that our police may not have the technology to do that sort of geo-fencing.
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TheHulkster said:

True The Vote also seems to assert that it was their organization that cracked the case on the murder of Secoriea Turner using these same cell phone data mining techniques.

Has anyone seen any confirmation on that? I'm finding nothing.
Two guys are arrested and awaiting trial.

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Quote:

McKinney was arrested with the help of the U.S. Marshals Service and the Atlanta Police Department's Fugitive Unit, Miles said. Authorities have not said how they linked McKinney to the Fourth of July shooting or if they're searching for any additional suspects.
Link
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Keegan99 said:

So let's see the video of multiple drops in the same day by the same individual.

There is no reason to hold it back at this point.


Their methods may be sound, but their messaging sucks. They either don't have the goods or are terrible at making a public case.
What good does it do for them to disclose this information? All it does is open them up to legal blow back. As they stated, they hoped that this information they presented would compel citizens to apply pressure to the proper authorities so that they can follow through and get to the bottom of the ordeal. TtV was very smart in taking this approach.
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GeorgiAg said:

nortex97 said:

GeorgiAg said:

Plot twist. The ballot box fraud was all Trumpanzees. He lost by more!
Oh look, our resident fake conservative taking a swipe yet again at Trump voters. Shocked, shocked I am.
It's too easy. Oh come one, it's a joke.
Seriously, I don't think there is anything remotely funny about fraudulent elections. I want us to do everything possible to eliminate voter fraud. We are becoming a banana republic and one political party is driving it.
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aggiehawg said:

Keegan99 said:

So let's see the video of multiple drops in the same day by the same individual.

There is no reason to hold it back at this point.


Their methods may be sound, but their messaging sucks. They either don't have the goods or are terrible at making a public case.
So your position is that the unique devices that went to multiple drop boxes multiple times in one day in Milwaukee were people passing their cell phones around to other people?

See my post above at the time indicated on the presentation in Wisconsin. And yes, the movie really messed up in their presentation.
This is really just the tip of the iceberg on this stuff. I watched the machine in South Dallas in 2008. They identify people who haven't voted and have people come in, they direct voting, the poll workers vote at curbside for voters, the works. Sorry, it's not a mistake. They know what they're doing. And when the same party that is doing this is in charge of the sheriff's office, DA, etc. who is going to stop them?
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Funky Winkerbean said:

TheHulkster said:

True The Vote also seems to assert that it was their organization that cracked the case on the murder of Secoriea Turner using these same cell phone data mining techniques.

Has anyone seen any confirmation on that? I'm finding nothing.
They never said they "cracked the case". They supplied the information they had to detectives handling the case, and two arrests were made. True The Vote is wise in leaving it at that as it prevents legal blow back. I took from that situation that our police may not have the technology to do that sort of geo-fencing.
Yes, "cracked the case" were my words, not theirs.

What they specifically say about the case starts at 33:45 of the film.

"We choose to look at two murders that were ebbing on cold case status...we bought the data and the team got to work. ..We turned the bulk of this information over to the Federal Bureau of Investigation."

I think it's clear that True The Vote credits themselves with cracking the case, no? A case that was "ebbing on cold case status" before they got involved now has two suspects in custody.
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Funky Winkerbean said:

Keegan99 said:

So let's see the video of multiple drops in the same day by the same individual.

There is no reason to hold it back at this point.


Their methods may be sound, but their messaging sucks. They either don't have the goods or are terrible at making a public case.
What good does it do for them to disclose this information? All it does is open them up to legal blow back. As they stated, they hoped that this information they presented would compel citizens to apply pressure to the proper authorities so that they can follow through and get to the bottom of the ordeal. TtV was very smart in taking this approach.


Releasing video of the same person making multiple drops in a day places them at risk?

I'm sorry, but when they make that claim in the film and then DON'T SHOW IT, a bright eight-year-old would say "WTF?! Why?"

Dinesh's film certainly preaches to the choir, but it's not going to convert anyone that isn't already inclined to believe. Simply too many holes in the presentation.
 
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