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They show the mules making TRIP

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They don't show- with CCTV- any mules making more than 1 trip.
This is an illegal act and should be prosecuted and the practice should be eliminated completely due to election security and integrity grounds.
They don't have to show with video more than one trip for there to be proof of illegalities.
Also with the combination of the time stamp of video combined with the time stamps on the cell location data, they can lock that ID in and follow it digitally all over the place. I.E. the lady from South Carolina. With your phone in your pocket your location in your house down to the room and direction you are facing can be seen by anyone with access to your device id and GPS data.



The geodata is suspicious yes. I want more info. More data.
The data is damning. As reference see the arrests made using data provided to police from True the Vote about the murder mentioned in the film. Also the data, IIRC, is being made public shortly along with the addresses of the "voting orgs".
From a non-voting or crime related view on this, In my day job we have companies that will pay invoices using the same type of data as proof of delivery for freight shipments when the driver's cell id shows up on their customer's premises for delivery. Also see the Jan. 6, tracking and subsequent arrests for how this is used real time. So this is real world already in use technology that I don't think you understand how it works or how powerful it is.



If this movie was a TexAgs politics board argument, it would be punched full of holes. But somehow this is all skirting by as lead pipe lock facts…
As I said above, I don't think you comprehend what they are talking about. This data is more granular than tower pings/triangulation. It is GPS accurate and the times and time at location etc is all recorded.

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TikkaShooter said:

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They show the mules making TRIP

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They don't show- with CCTV- any mules making more than 1 trip.

The geodata is suspicious yes. I want more info. More data.

If this movie was a TexAgs politics board argument, it would be punched full of holes. But somehow this is all skirting by as lead pipe lock facts…

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Over the course of several weeks, the vote traffickers made multiple trips to drop boxes using gloves to conceal their fingerprints, and taking photos to secure payment. D'Souza notes that the traffickers started wearing gloves a few days after a ballot harvesting case in Arizona secured indictments based on fingerprint evidence.

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True the Vote estimates that 20 thousand votes were illegally trafficked in Arizona, 14 thousand in Wisconsin, 275 thousand in Pennsylvania, 125 thousand in Michigan, and 30 thousand in Georgia, totaling 380 thousand votes, which is more than enough to sway the election. Minus these illegal ballots, Trump's Electoral College votes would have been 279 to Biden's 259, D'Souza says.

The organization notes that these numbers are based on the definition of a mule as "at least 10 visits to drop boxes."

" If the bar is lowered to count those making at least 5 visits, the estimated affected votes increases by more than double," the group says.

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Swenson's claim that those cellphone pings are way too vague to be useful is easily debunked. Back in 2018, the New York Times wrote about the extremely detailed information the apps on people's phones provide:

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At least 75 companies receive anonymous, precise location data from apps whose users enable location services to get local news and weather or other information, the Times found. Several of those businesses claim to track up to 200 million mobile devices in the United States about half of those in use last year. The database reviewed by the Times a sample of information gathered in 2017 and held by one company reveals people's travels in startling detail, accurate to within a few yards and in some cases updated more than 14,000 times a day. (Emphasis added.)

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Swenson asserts that the film shows an interview with only one whistleblower who saw people pick up what she "assumed" were payments. True. But the fact is that in cases in which law enforcement has caught up with those mules who deliver multiple ballots to drop boxes, they always do it for money. It is, therefore, a reasonable assumption that, when someone repeatedly goes to a non-profit and then visits between 20-45 drop boxes, that person is not acting out of the goodness of his heart. If law enforcement would arrest these people, we could confirm this assumption.

Swenson quotes a single expert saying that cell phone data really won't prove whether the person was at, or merely near, the dropbox. What Swenson ignores is that, while putting someone near a single drop box proves nothing, 2000 Mules shows that the cell phone pings revealed that specific people were beating a path to innumerable drop boxes. There is no reason that "delivery drivers, postal workers, cab drivers, poll workers and elected officials" would stop at only two places: leftist non-profits and multiple drop boxes. Only mules would do that.

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Swenson argues that, even though True The Vote had video footage of obvious mules stuffing boxes, the movie doesn't prove that the footage aligns with pings. True. I suspect that proof will come when True The Vote pulls the ripcord.

Another Swenson argument is that showing someone dropping off a stack of ballots doesn't prove wrongdoing because people are allowed to do so for family members and household members. Considering that the data shows mules averaging 20 to 45 drop boxes, at each of which they dropped off an average of five ballots, I'm thinking those must be very big families...or, perhaps, it's evidence of election fraud.

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TikkaShooter said:

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4 million hours of tape, no repeat mules.

Math don't add up. Sorry.

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oldyeller said:

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I just watched it, and while the allegations certainly merit investigation, I didn't really see a smoking gun, as I was surprised they didn't even consider the following:

• The folks wearing gloves could just as easily have been germaphobes, wary of touching surfaces touched by others due to all the COVID hysteria,

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I stopped reading here because if you did watch it you weren't paying attention.
Watch it again at 39:27
https://www.bitchute.com/video/TizNoVq1qcwb/

They said they suddenly saw people starting to wear gloves on december 23rd - the day after someone got busted using their fingerprints on the ballots in Arizona.

Do you believe that people suddenly became germophobic on December 23rd?

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I'm going to play devil's advocate here and offer that if they had the same person on video going to more than one drop box, THEY ABSOLUTELY WOULD HAVE PUT IT IN THE MOVIE. Same thing with the gloves. Both of those are smoking guns and clearly would've been vital to the movie's universal credibility.

I know they cheated and I know it was enough to overturn the election, but it weighs heavily on me that out of thousands and thousands of mules, making thousands and thousands of trips, they didn't get video evidence of even one repeat offender.

That being said, if they release the NGOs and prove voluminous trips from the stash houses to the drop boxes, that is going to be conclusive, incontrovertible evidence for me that this is all legitimate.

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-The geo-location data shows the mules going to "501c organizations" and then 10-20 drop box locations and back on multiple days. Most of the time between midnight and 6 am. I wonder what they were doing? Many of the drop boxes dont have cameras and many others have videos that "could not be found" by the government entities. But, some idiots want more videos as if the geo-location info isn't damning enough.

"Man, they only showed this guy on video one time stuffing the drop box with ballots. And then that guy's geo-locations shows he went to 20 other drop boxes on the same night. But, since they dont show a video of that guy at those other drop boxes, I think he was just out having a nice ride at 3am and just happened to go buy the other 20 drop boxes--doing this on multiple days."
/Idiots on this thread

-There are several example videos shown in the documentary that are from one drop box. This one drop box is used by multiple mules on video following the same pattern of going to the "organizations" and then being shown stuffing an average of 5 ballots each time. Multiple videos for those idiots that doubt.

-The videos show these mules taking photos of themselves dropping the stacks of ballots in the box so they can get paid. (The photos are the way they can prove to their handlers that they actually deposited the ballots …As per interviewed whistle blowers and mules)

-The videos show people wearing rubber gloves to cover up their fingerprints and then taking the gloves off after depositing the ballots. They throw the gloves in trash cans that they never looked at. How did they know it was there?

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"Man, they only showed this guy on video one time stuffing the drop box with ballots. And then that guy's geo-locations shows he went to 20 other drop boxes on the same night. But, since they dont show a video of that guy at those other drop boxes, I think he was just out having a nice ride at 3am and just happened to go buy the other 20 drop boxes--doing this on multiple days."

/Idiots on this thread

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"Man, they only showed this guy on video one time stuffing the drop box with ballots. And then that guy's geo-locations shows he went to 20 other drop boxes on the same night. But, since they dont show a video of that guy at those other drop boxes, I think he was just out having a nice ride at 3am and just happened to go buy the other 20 drop boxes--doing this on multiple days."

/Idiots on this thread

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This was my biggest problem with the movie (other than the painful scripted "Hey Honey, come look at this" moments). Hell, Larry Elder even asks at 55:45, "You have video of the same guy going multiple places?" and her answer is yes. If you've got that, how in the hell do you make this movie and NOT include it?

Keep in mind, I think all of this is likely true. But if they showed surveillance footage of gray hoodie guy or surgical glove woman dropping ballots in three or four different drop boxes, this thing is an absolute slam dunk.

Either they don't actually have it, or they are complete idiots for not including it.

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I can't imagine being so indoctrinated by the left that one just blindly continues to say, "this doesn't prove anything" as evidence continues to pile up. You would think a little bit of self evaluation might reveal how ignorant that is and lead to the questioning of their party's entire platform.

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Said months ago that a movie was just about the worst way to release this information. Because it was bound to be woefully incomplete. Said that True The Vote should put together a web site with ironclad evidence, as if preparing an investigative report for a prosecutor.

But no... they went the movie route. And here we are.

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TikkaShooter said:

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Perhaps.

Or perhaps the money to be made was too much to pass up.

Too much to find real evidence, knowing a movie based on assumptions would be all that's needed to fire up folks who will believe it.

And either the Dems found the 2000 smartest criminals who aren't talking, or they all dead.

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If it were only about the money, why post it were it can be viewed for free?
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Second, the web site is nearly ready for release within a few weeks or maybe even sooner. That was announced b Phillips and Englebrecht at the Saturday night premiere in Las Vegas.

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