I would never own an EV if I couldn't charge at home. I think it's actually the biggest hurdle to any idea that EV's will have 50% market share in 5 years.

Can you stop with the tick tock mining to find every negative thing about EVs? Its it perfect, no and it doesn't have to be. But the incessant tick tock mining feels like a teenager getting their news.

I challenge you to try and become educated. Drive a Tesla for 3 months with home charging even in the northern states and I bet you will be enlightened.

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I would never own an EV if I couldn't charge at home. I think it's actually the biggest hurdle to any idea that EV's will have 50% market share in 5 years.

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Anyone who owns a Tesla/EV without home charging without easy access to superchargers or charging at work would be insane.

But You are starting to see more superchargers pop up everywhere, businesses and workplace putting in a Level 2. Apartment complexes are starting to put in level 2 chargers. My workplace has a level 2 and I am fully charged when I am ready to drive home.

The past 5 yrs has seen great advancement in charging. The next 5 years will be even greater.

In 5 yrs, when charging becomes10x more accessible. Cars are 10K cheaper to buy for an equivalent. Much cheaper to maintain. Becomes more mainstream, currently 9% of new cars are BEV in the US.

Education is the hard part and when someone drives in my car they are amazed at the tech and ease of use.

I could very well be wrong but if not 5, would definitely be in 10 just because the turnover of cars are much slower than say an iphone.

10 years is possible, 5 is just not realistic. Especially for trucks and large SUVs being such a large part of the market.

Don't think a compelling truck being released in 5 years is impossible, but just don't think Tesla's goal is to grow faster than 50% annually anymore and I don't think the other manufacturers will grow at anywhere near that rate.

2030: 25% +/- 5%
2035: 50% +/- 50%

50% of miles driven electric by 2040.

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hph6203 said:

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Self driving will be "holy **** I don't want a car without it" good by next summer.



Update for the people worried about battery health.

Odometer fraud is shooting up:

According to the latest data from CARFAX — 2.14 million cars may have had odometer rollbacks in 2024 — up 82,000 from last year and 18% since 2021.

The reasons?

Technology has made rolling back an odometer easier than ever — and is often done to…

— Car Dealership Guy (@GuyDealership) December 13, 2024

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That's a little harder to get away with now that dealers and service providers record the mileage each time a car's in the shop.

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If it is harder to get away with, why are the rates going up rapidly? It is shockingly easy to do with most vehicles.

PS. Dealers have been recording mileage at each service for a long time.

I'm sure the types to roll back their odometer are also the types to religiously take their vehicles in for routine maintenance. Totally responsible individuals.

Don't take your Cybertruck out in the snow. Winters are rough on these things.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/its-not-this-tesla-cybertrucks-fault-that-its-stuck-in-a-little-snow

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A Cybertruck recently got stuck in a parking spot on the snowy streets of Quebec and quickly went viral on TikTok, Reddit, and likely other social media platforms I don't have the emotional bandwidth to check. As expected, it's become an internet punching bag for not being able to leave a parking spot that a Corolla would likely tackle with ease. Admittedly, it is fun to laugh at an $80,000+ pickup with at least 600 horsepower getting stuck in what seems to be just a few inches of snow. It's even funnier because the Cybertruck was touted as an indestructible, unstoppable, bulletproof truck of the future.

However, I'm going to defend the Cybertruck here, as much as it pains me to do so. It's impossible to know exactly which tires this Cybertruck has, but judging by their lack of knobby tread, they seem to be the factory Goodyear all-seasons. Typically, such tires would be decent enough in the snow to get the big Tesla out. Unfortunately, Cybertruck owners have already reported that their tires are barely lasting 6,000 miles before becoming completely worn. Not surprising when you're talking about a 7,000-pound vehicle putting down immense power and torque. It's more likely that the rubber on this Cybertruck is so spent that it couldn't find traction. We also don't know what the ambient temperature was, and it may have been well below what most all-season tires can handle.

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Your name sure doesn't fit your ignorance. Guess I better get an ICE truck for snow purposes

Both drivers are still stuck in those same places today, begging for food to survive because they can't make it to work. Tragic.

Or the camera got shut off and they eventually got out and it's a reality of life that sometimes trucks get stuck in snow, and the time they spend stuck there is proportionate to how dumb the driver is in understanding how to get out. Most people that get stuck in snow are stupid, because they come from a population dumb enough to live where it snows enough to get stuck in it.


Tire wear is a function of how a person drives a vehicle more than anything. If you have a 0-60 in 2.4s truck, the frequency with which you're going to launch it is high. Just as a good ol' boy that likes to burn rubber on his F-150 is going to burn through tires quickly too.

If you're worried about tire life with an EV you're more than welcome to buy a $35,000 Chevy Equinox EV with a 0-60 of 7.7 seconds. Your tires will live forever, but your soul will die in 5.2 seconds.

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Both drivers are still stuck in those same places today, begging for food to survive because they can't make it to work. Tragic.

Or the camera got shut off and they eventually got out and it's a reality of life that sometimes trucks get stuck in snow, and the time they spend stuck there is proportionate to how dumb the driver is in understanding how to get out. Most people that get stuck in snow are stupid, because they come from a population dumb enough to live where it snows enough to get stuck in it.


Tire wear is a function of how a person drives a vehicle more than anything. If you have a 0-60 in 2.4s truck, the frequency with which you're going to launch it is high. Just as a good ol' boy that likes to burn rubber on his F-150 is going to burn through tires quickly too.

If you're worried about tire life with an EV you're more than welcome to buy a $35,000 Chevy Equinox EV with a 0-60 of 7.7 seconds. Your tires will live forever, but your soul will die in 5.2 seconds.

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Unless I'm not seeing things correctly…. Why are you comparing an all wheel drive cyber truck to a 2 WD pickup with no apparent load in the bed to provide weight over rear wheels?

Point to where I compared the vehicles.

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Point to where I compared the vehicles.

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My apologies if I mis-read your post. I assumed that when you mentioned "both vehicles would be stuck in snow" you meant that the cyber truck and 2 WD pickup were the 2 vehicles you were referring to. If not those 2 vehicles..which 2 vehicles were you were referring to? Again, sorry if I mis-read post..

Comparison would suggest that I was differentiating the vehicles. The point I was making is there isn't a consumer vehicle that won't get stuck in the snow and the fact that a Cybertruck is on video spinning its wheels in the snow is not suggestive that it is notably prone to getting stuck in snow, just that it has the capacity to.

Something I noticed tonight.

There's a Sheetz station near me with several Tesla Superchargers, been there several years. It's right off of I-40, and they seem to do a pretty brisk business. The chargers are almost always half-occupied when I drive by.

A couple miles down the street at the grocery store where I shop, they installed a couple of EVgo chargers. They are in a poorly lit corner of the parking lot. The only real option for something to eat is a McDonald's, and it isn't real close to the chargers. Not the ideal spot to stop for a charge. I would occasionally see a non-Tesla EV there, I always figured someone driving through who was desperate for a charge.

I went by the grocery store at 9 PM tonight, and there was line of cars waiting to charge up. Again, a cruddy charge location that is very dimly lit. It seems a little early for Christmas travel.

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Comparison would suggest that I was differentiating the vehicles. The point I was making is there isn't a consumer vehicle that won't get stuck in the snow and the fact that a Cybertruck is on video spinning its wheels in the snow is not suggestive that it is notably prone to getting stuck in snow, just that it has the capacity to.

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Agree with any vehicle can get stuck in snow. Was just pointing out that a comparing a 2 WD vehicle, particularly with a light ass rear end to an AWD. Isn't apples/0ranges…regardless of tire tread.

Google CEO on who is the leader in self-driving space: "I think obviously @Tesla is the leader in the space. It looks to me like Tesla and Waymo are the top two." pic.twitter.com/iMT2Mapf8C

— Sawyer Merritt (@SawyerMerritt) December 15, 2024

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Will all EV owners be fined and given suspended sentences when Trump is elected?

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Will all EV owners be given a pardon by Joe Biden?

The common Boomer joke double down. Rare spacing though. Belongs in the Hall of Fame.

Trump is going to be singing the praises of EVs by the end of his term.

FSD 13.2 drives garage to parking spot with 0 interventions pic.twitter.com/ptKemgncLd

— Dirty Tesla (@DirtyTesLa) December 15, 2024

Ho Hum.

Driving Miss Daisy.

With crappy songs.

I've wondered how it would perform in snow like that, and it looks like it handled it just fine. Presumably there would still be issues in more traffic or actively snowing in those conditions with mud and ice eventually obstructing the cameras?

Remember that you posted this in 5 years when Tesla is the most valuable company in the world.

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Remember that you posted this in 5 years when Tesla is the most valuable company in the world.

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For a company that doesn't do anything but make a crappy car that no one wants requiring government mandates/subsidies, kind of strange that it has the 8th largest market cap in the world.

Really strange how people with money and willing to put their $$ into a "crappy" company knows less than keyboard warriors who just watch tick tock.

Amazing the lack of knowledge and arrogance on here. If people really had conviction that Tesla sucks, they would be millionaires just trading Options.

The enjoyment about FSD for some is greater than sex. I guess. More power to ya.

Two years in with a Ford Lightning. No problems so far. It does what I need it to do and it has not caught on fire. I'm up in East Texas and there are quite a few Teslas running about. And I see a number of Cyber Trucks now. Not so many Lightnings though.

"wait, is this legal??"

"yeah, welcome to San Francisco"

featuring FSD 13 & @jamesdouma pic.twitter.com/cLXpSdNjbL

— ΛI DRIVR (@AIDRIVR) December 17, 2024

Florida (of course) woman trapped in smoking Rivian:

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• A Florida woman is speaking out after an electrical short left her stuck in a smoking
  Rivian R1S.
• After approximately 45 minutes, responders learned about a manual door release and were able to free her from the vehicle.
• Rivian reportedly offered the customer $1,000 but, after a local television station got involved, they decided to offer a refund.

A Florida woman had a scary experience behind the wheel of a Rivian R1S as the model reportedly suffered from an electrical problem that left her 'trapped' inside the vehicle. If that wasn't bad enough, smoke was entering the cabin.

Jen Pereira shared her story with WFTV 9 and said things went south after about a month and a half of ownership. As Pereira explained, the R1S "started braking very rapidly" in November. The dashboard then began flashing and the vehicle eventually rolled to a stop.

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EV makers really seem to have an affinity for electrical door handles.

It's easy to point at her culpability for not knowing the emergency procedure/release, but even the first responders took 45 minutes to get her out.

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Pereira said she then saw and smelled smoke, which eventually resulted in her calling 911 as the doors wouldn't open. Responders reportedly didn't see smoke, but "demobilized" the SUV and began looking for ways to get her out of the vehicle. After about 45 minutes, they discovered a manual door handle release.

Rivian looked into the issue and told the station, "Our investigation … indicates a short in an electrical system caused the contained smoke issue the customer experienced. We have also confirmed that the interior manual door handle was working properly at the time" and "all Rivian vehicles are equipped with front row manual release handles, which allow occupants a means to exit the vehicle, even in the event of power loss."

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No thanks. Still, everyone should frankly have a window breaker in the center armrest, anyway.

I'm calling BS on at least part of her story. If she was in a car with smoke or some other risk, the first responders wouldn't wait 45 minutes. I'm not saying there aren't issues with the vehicle that caused it to fail but I think she embellished the story to get a better settlement.

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Florida (of course) woman trapped in smoking Rivian:

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• A Florida woman is speaking out after an electrical short left her stuck in a smoking
  Rivian R1S.
• After approximately 45 minutes, responders learned about a manual door release and were able to free her from the vehicle.
• Rivian reportedly offered the customer $1,000 but, after a local television station got involved, they decided to offer a refund.

A Florida woman had a scary experience behind the wheel of a Rivian R1S as the model reportedly suffered from an electrical problem that left her 'trapped' inside the vehicle. If that wasn't bad enough, smoke was entering the cabin.

Jen Pereira shared her story with WFTV 9 and said things went south after about a month and a half of ownership. As Pereira explained, the R1S "started braking very rapidly" in November. The dashboard then began flashing and the vehicle eventually rolled to a stop.

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EV makers really seem to have an affinity for electrical door handles.

It's easy to point at her culpability for not knowing the emergency procedure/release, but even the first responders took 45 minutes to get her out.

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Pereira said she then saw and smelled smoke, which eventually resulted in her calling 911 as the doors wouldn't open. Responders reportedly didn't see smoke, but "demobilized" the SUV and began looking for ways to get her out of the vehicle. After about 45 minutes, they discovered a manual door handle release.

Rivian looked into the issue and told the station, "Our investigation … indicates a short in an electrical system caused the contained smoke issue the customer experienced. We have also confirmed that the interior manual door handle was working properly at the time" and "all Rivian vehicles are equipped with front row manual release handles, which allow occupants a means to exit the vehicle, even in the event of power loss."

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No thanks. Still, everyone should frankly have a window breaker in the center armrest, anyway.

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Devastating. Just make a regular door handle. Gosh how hard can it be?

I theorize they must see the fancy electronic mechanisms as a selling point, and plausibly to reduce the weight of the door/vehicle by a couple pounds. To me it's an example of poor/over-engineering, but EV buyers tend not to worry about that so the marketing probably outweighs it.

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Remember that you posted this in 5 years when Tesla is the most valuable company in the world.

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For a company that doesn't do anything but make a crappy car that no one wants requiring government mandates/subsidies, kind of strange that it has the 8th largest market cap in the world.

Really strange how people with money and willing to put their $$ into a "crappy" company knows less than keyboard warriors who just watch tick tock.

Amazing the lack of knowledge and arrogance on here. If people really had conviction that Tesla sucks, they would be millionaires just trading Options.

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Tesla is not a car company.

They are a data company. They have a lot of what many businesses and people want.