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***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]
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What am I watching? Retreating RU helos?
Negative, Ghost Rider, the pattern is full.3rd and 2 said:
After viewing images of the murdered civilians my heart is saying yes to a hot war with Russia. My head is saying mayyybe. Can we do some 'kinetic' attacks in Ukraine and blame it on someone else?
My great uncle was captured on the first days of the Bulge. Bounced around multiple POW camps in Germany and was a known trouble maker and again, never said he was mistreated. It wasn't a death sentence for troops to surrender to Nazi Germany. That same treatment wasn't expected for the Marines in the Pacific and the Russians seem to lean quite a bit that directionagent-maroon said:
My grandfather was captured by the Nazis at Salerno and held as a POW in Poland. He froze his ass off and lost weight but never talked about being mistreated. He and a couple of other officers escaped when the Nazis were retreating from the Russian advance. While walking their way to safety they encountered a Russian patrol that stole their food at gunpoint but didn't kill them before moving on. Some Polish farmers gave them just enough that they didn't starve and they caught a rail car to Odessa & a British ship of some kind.
My grandfather hated the Germans, but he really, really, REALLY hated the Russians after that.
aggiehawg said:
What am I watching? Retreating RU helos?
Redeployment from Belarus east, it appears.
Thanks.
I mean for an Aggie, you really should consider that the best analogy to Mariupol is actually Corregidor where the marines did surrender.
Surrounded by superior numbers. No possibility of relief before they starve to death. Low on ammo. Opponents who took POWs but mistreated them and civilians. Was it immoral for those Marines to surrender? Are they people who lacked fighting spirit as suggested by an earlier post from someone else on this topic? Or were the commanders justified in saving some of their men (yes even with the death March) vs spending their lives to no military purpose?
Sure those Marines could've staged a bayonet charge and taken a few more with them. Just like any Ukrainians who (allegedly) surrendered could have taken out a few more Russians. But for no military value.
Part of the reason the US military and other professional militaries fight well in dire circumstances is that they know their commanders won't spend their lives pointlessly. They will take a hill with horrendous casualties because they trust it is important to the war effort. Dying to the last man in a suicide attack is a breach of that trust. Surrender is an acceptable option when there are no longer reasonable means to resist (per the Code of the US Fighting Force).
Surrounded by superior numbers. No possibility of relief before they starve to death. Low on ammo. Opponents who took POWs but mistreated them and civilians. Was it immoral for those Marines to surrender? Are they people who lacked fighting spirit as suggested by an earlier post from someone else on this topic? Or were the commanders justified in saving some of their men (yes even with the death March) vs spending their lives to no military purpose?
Sure those Marines could've staged a bayonet charge and taken a few more with them. Just like any Ukrainians who (allegedly) surrendered could have taken out a few more Russians. But for no military value.
Part of the reason the US military and other professional militaries fight well in dire circumstances is that they know their commanders won't spend their lives pointlessly. They will take a hill with horrendous casualties because they trust it is important to the war effort. Dying to the last man in a suicide attack is a breach of that trust. Surrender is an acceptable option when there are no longer reasonable means to resist (per the Code of the US Fighting Force).
Was in Egypt last week. It's a big deal. Egypt imports most of their wheat from Ukraine and Russia ... and wheat is one-third of Egypt's caloric intake per person. Not much these poor countries can do except watch.aggiehawg said:
Bad move by Russia, IMO. That will draw more nations towards war.
Or not.benchmark said:Was in Egypt last week. It's a big deal. Egypt imports most of their wheat from Ukraine and Russia ... and wheat is one-third of Egypt's caloric intake per person. Not much these poor countries can do except watch.aggiehawg said:
Bad move by Russia, IMO. That will draw more nations towards war.
That's how these World Wars start.
No, the best analogy is every single battle in the Pacific after Corregidor. And BTW, there weren't any Marines on Corregidor in 1942.pocketrockets06 said:
I mean for an Aggie, you really should consider that the best analogy to Mariupol is actually Corregidor where the marines did surrender.
Edit. The smallish 4th Marine regiment (1,500) was at Corregidor and 500 died in captivity.
The terrible reality of war
— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) April 4, 2022
In #Ukraine, parents write contact details on the backs of their children in case they are killed and the child gets lost. https://t.co/F3BAKr44d5
Yes, I was about to correct you. My uncle, Paul A. Brown (A&M '28), Capt. USMC, was on Corregidor and eventually died in a Jap POW camp in Japan.benchmark said:No, the best analogy is every single battle in the Pacific after Corregidor. And BTW, there weren't any Marines on Corregidor in 1942.pocketrockets06 said:
I mean for an Aggie, you really should consider that the best analogy to Mariupol is actually Corregidor where the marines did surrender.
Edit. The smallish 4th Marine regiment (1,500) was at Corregidor and 500 died in captivity.
it seems to me, broadly, that as both sides reposition to fight in the east that ukraine is in good shape to (continue) preventing russian advances but generally lacks the wherewithal for large-scale offensive operations
— Gerry Doyle (@mgerrydoyle) April 5, 2022
anyway bloomberg just reported that the u.s. is indeed sending the "600" model switchblade, which has an anti-armor warhead
— Gerry Doyle (@mgerrydoyle) April 5, 2022
... so far the russian air force has only been able to operate over its own lines in the east and south. shutting that down is important (not that russian airpower has been particularly effective even in those areas)
— Gerry Doyle (@mgerrydoyle) April 5, 2022
Ex-Soviet Heavy Armored spotted being moved out of Storage and onto Trains today in Czechia, this may be some of the Equipment that the Czech Government had received Approval from Germany to send to Ukraine specifically the BMP-1s, these T-72 MBTs are most likely being sent also. pic.twitter.com/cFD9LjTxVH
— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) April 4, 2022
Because in some occupied areas people have been wearing white armbands, presumably because the Russians are forcing them to. https://t.co/7ITq5ZjPxB
— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) April 4, 2022
— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) April 4, 2022
Oh and just to round it out https://t.co/St6By8ooJB
— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) April 4, 2022
The greater the casualties sustained by the Russian military, the harder it will be for Moscow to accept a compromise. Russian popular opinion is supportive of the war, but it will shift rapidly if Moscow accepts reduced terms. Are 10,000+ KIA worth retaking all of the Donbas?
— Rob Lee (@RALee85) April 4, 2022
Another issue is that the Ukrainian military is consistently characterized as weak and incompetent in Russian outlets. That obviously isn't true, and the sooner Russian websites admit that, the sooner people can come to terms with the Russian military's struggles in Ukraine. 4/
— Rob Lee (@RALee85) April 4, 2022
RebelE Infantry said:Eliminatus said:Rossticus said:
Is interesting how Russia manages to get so much video of Ukrainians in the act of purportedly committing atrocities in Ukraine. It also seems that each time a video is released by Russian sources, it's deconstructed, leading to a successively released video that addresses those weaknesses.There's a new video of Ukrainian soldiers posing with dead Russian soldiers somewhere near Kharkov, some of the dead have their hands tied behind their backs, clearly indicating execution.
— Russians With Attitude (@RWApodcast) April 4, 2022
I wouldn't bother with that account. You already know it's Russian based propaganda.
Except that in this case, the video is very real.
Working to confirm original source, subjects, location, etc.
EDIT: Location Confirmed. Seems to have occurred here during the course of an ambush on Russian forces. Click tweet for thread and video.
Geolocation had to be inserted as an image since it linked to the video and would have been deleted by staff.
The scale of Russian war crimes in Ukraine is many many orders of magnitude higher than the Ukrainian ones. This does not mean though, that the war crimes perpetrated by Ukrainian forces should not also be investigated.
— Oliver Alexander (@OAlexanderDK) April 5, 2022
How do you know?RebelE Infantry said:Eliminatus said:Rossticus said:
Is interesting how Russia manages to get so much video of Ukrainians in the act of purportedly committing atrocities in Ukraine. It also seems that each time a video is released by Russian sources, it's deconstructed, leading to a successively released video that addresses those weaknesses.There's a new video of Ukrainian soldiers posing with dead Russian soldiers somewhere near Kharkov, some of the dead have their hands tied behind their backs, clearly indicating execution.
— Russians With Attitude (@RWApodcast) April 4, 2022
I wouldn't bother with that account. You already know it's Russian based propaganda.
Except that in this case, the video is very real.
Did you film it? Do you know the person that filmed it? Why such a strong stance on something that you absolutely cannot corroborate.
It might be real. It might be a really good fake.
You damage your credibility when you make claims with no support.
The units in/near #Bucha were the 217th Guards Airborne Regiment and the 64th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade.
— Grammar Dominatrix (@GrammarDomin8rx) April 5, 2022
Screenshot of map from the UAWarData website via @HN_Schlottman pic.twitter.com/63laxa46Zt
Norman brigade part of the Ukrainian Armed Forces advancing with IFVs and tanks against Russian forces in Ukraine. WW2 style advance. pic.twitter.com/HcBYgNQN3p
— CaucasusWarReport (@Caucasuswar) April 5, 2022
Thank you staff/mod. Appreciate your hard (and seemingly endless) work.
thats the best defense putin can come up with?
YOU GOT HIM!
thirdcoast said:Check out the "bindings" on brown coat guy. Questionable war crime techniques...you would think Russians would use zip ties and not leave evidence. Didn't even look like a double knot was used here#Bucha pic.twitter.com/wiuhSL0Bn1
— Clayton Jones (@Clayton11241106) April 5, 2022
That was definitely a double knot. The clip begins right as the guy is finishing untying the first of the two knots.
LOL. Putin's troops have MREs from another decade. His troops would have zip ties?Old Army Ghost said:
thats the best defense putin can come up with?
Russia is a backwards country.
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That was definitely a double knot. The clip begins right as the guy is finishing untying the first of the two knots.
Do you think a Russian soldier put that cotton binding on that man and shot him where his body lay?
Maybe. Maybe the Russians wanted to taunt the West by putting all the bound bodies in the street. But maybe not....it would actually make more sense not to give the media such great fuel.
And F Putin/Russia
https://knews.kathimerini.com.cy/en/news/the-us-asks-cyprus-to-transfer-its-russian-made-weapons-to-ukraine
"In a significant move, US representatives in Cyprus have asked the government whether they would be willing to transfer the country's Russian-made weapons to Ukraine.
The request was received positively by President Nicos Anastasiades who gave the go-ahead for further discussions to be done quickly. This would mean that Cyprus will no longer remain neutral in the war, as is usually the case."
"In a significant move, US representatives in Cyprus have asked the government whether they would be willing to transfer the country's Russian-made weapons to Ukraine.
The request was received positively by President Nicos Anastasiades who gave the go-ahead for further discussions to be done quickly. This would mean that Cyprus will no longer remain neutral in the war, as is usually the case."
thirdcoast said:
Do you think a Russian soldier put that cotton binding on that man and shot him wear his body lay?
Maybe. Maybe the Russians wanted to taunt the West by putting all the bound bodies in the street. But maybe not....it would actually make more sense not to give the media such great fuel.
You really think that's the thought process of the Russian military?
Was it their though process in Syria? Nope
Chechnya? Nope
With regard to the millions of other civilians Russia/Soviets have killed over the course of past decades? Nope.
Some in Bucha were pulled into the streets and shot. Some were shot while riding their bikes. Some were shot in their cars. Some were raped and burned. Some were killed in basements. Some were stuffed in storm drains. Some were tossed into a giant trench where they had been burying them until they withdrew. Get the picture?
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1511159445904310273.html
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1510354076642467840.html
In Bucha it is said that every male aged 16-60 was killed by the Russians.
— Doge (@IntelDoge) April 2, 2022
Putin believed he had the internet shut down. And yes, they did that.thirdcoast said:
Do you think a Russian soldier put that cotton binding on that man and shot him wear his body lay?
Maybe. Maybe the Russians wanted to taunt the West by putting all the bound bodies in the street. But maybe not....it would actually make more sense not to give the media such great fuel.
But then Elon Musk changed the internet situation and the truth gets out.
thirdcoast said:Quote:
That was definitely a double knot. The clip begins right as the guy is finishing untying the first of the two knots.
Do you think a Russian soldier put that cotton binding on that man and shot him where his body lay?
Maybe. Maybe the Russians wanted to taunt the West by putting all the bound bodies in the street. But maybe not....it would actually make more sense not to give the media such great fuel.
And F Putin/Russia
The binding material is suspect, but you use what you've got (I assume, I've never executed anyone). As for leaving them in the street, I don't think the Russians actually care a whole lot about what the world thinks, especially not the average soldier.
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