Does anyone know if the Ukes have any naval capacity left? Even if just gunboats? Can't find any info on it.
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Might have a few patrol craft, like outboard motor boats but nothing significant. Honestly would love for them to get some UUWV to see how well those could take out a frigate or LST or sub. One time and some press about one they put together themselves and yeah all of a sudden all the Russian ships are behind torpedo nets in Sevastapol.Eliminatus said:
Does anyone know if the Ukes have any naval capacity left? Even if just gunboats? Can't find any info on it.
More importantly for Ukraine, a lot of barbarism could erode support from Ukraine's international benefactors.Get Off My Lawn said:As garryowenag said - unbridled bloodlust impairs things up to the strategic level.TacosaurusRex said:I know there are rules to war, but when you invade, bomb, and raid my country things change. Especially if I am in a militia and I catch you, you're getting sunflower seeds in your pocket and your mother can take it up with Putin.Eliminatus said:ttu_85 said:You should. This crap is how you get rivers of blood for decades or centuries. Think with your head and not your emotions. Could you imagine if, in our Civil War the Union and Confeds massacred their POWs. This nation would never have been put back together. This kind of blood letting helps no-oneTexasAggie_02 said:i honestly don't care. Ukrainians are fighting for their very existence. Russians are murdering civilians, I don't care what Ukraine does with combatants. If they were pushing into Russia, that would be different, but they are defending their homes.Quote:
I just watched the video. Those guys pulled one person out of the hatch and pushed him into the barn out of view of the camera then a round was fired from someone. They never went back for their prisoner. I suspect that shot was a "stop resisting" shot and no prisoners were taken.
But, but, Russia and Ukraine are different countries. Yeah only lately and they have a shared history and culture. Nothing poisons the well of the future like atrocities. Just ask China and Japan. China will always hate Japan for the Rape of NanKing. True peace between those two is all but impossible. Imagine if Sherman did to Atlanta what the Japanese did to NanKing.
This kind of insanity on both sides has to stop.
It's pretty much impossible to keep emotions out of the picture of you are on the ground fighting for your existence. Maybe true sociopaths can do it. Most can't. What you say is correct of course, but we have the luxury of being far away in our cozy homes and detached which gives us the ability to remain impartial and think "rationally".
We are but human.
This is why organized armies need strong commanders and discipline. These look like local militia though, essentially on their own. It's a tough topic and one that has raged since the first human brained another one with a rock. It's also one thing to rape and pillage civilians and another executing armed combatants in an increasingly brutal war on both sides. There are so many sliding variables at play here that we will never have a definite answer. Sometimes you play nice at war and it works. Like not sacking captured cities. Sometimes you just kill so many the other side has to stop. Think of the Plains Indians. Both have happened. Which means both are valid. Both have also failed.
Either way, I won't condemn these fellas and I won't lose any sleep. Life is tough. Even more so when you are a Russian armored vehicle crew member in Ukraine. I also have never claimed to be a saint and I sure as hell don't believe that all life is sacred. Then the fact that invaders usually set the tone of how "nice" a war is going to be. Russian has definitely set the tone here first.
In the COIN world there was talk about the strategic corporal: the idea that good and bad individual deeds have ripple effects. Well, in this social media war, the same holds true. Every instance of this type can be used by Russia to make their rank&file MORE willing to fight brutally to the death.
That said, there is some value in having irregulars on the battlefield operating outside international norms. It can cause fear when they move into your sector and motivate soldiers to surrender to regular forces.
The down side is the irregulars invite civilian reprisals.
Based off of what I have seen online, it was mostly sunk or captured in port early on. A couple of patrol cutters, one frigate, some patrol boats.
Proc92 said:The well was already poisoned when the Russians indiscriminately bombed city centers and apartment complexes from day 1.ttu_85 said:You should. This crap is how you get rivers of blood for decades or centuries. Think with your head and not your emotions. Could you imagine if, in our Civil War the Union and Confeds massacred their POWs. This nation would never have been put back together. This kind of blood letting helps no-oneTexasAggie_02 said:i honestly don't care. Ukrainians are fighting for their very existence. Russians are murdering civilians, I don't care what Ukraine does with combatants. If they were pushing into Russia, that would be different, but they are defending their homes.Quote:
I just watched the video. Those guys pulled one person out of the hatch and pushed him into the barn out of view of the camera then a round was fired from someone. They never went back for their prisoner. I suspect that shot was a "stop resisting" shot and no prisoners were taken.
But, but, Russia and Ukraine are different countries. Yeah only lately and they have a shared history and culture. Nothing poisons the well of the future like atrocities. Just ask China and Japan. China will always hate Japan for the Rape of NanKing. True peace between those to is all but impossible.
This. The Russians started this and have been indiscriminately murdering Ukrainians and destroying their country. It's beyond naive to not expect some kind of blowback.
These Russians all have weapons. If they don't like what they're being told to do, they're more than equipped to shoot the officers telling them to do it. They can desert. They can surrender. They have choices. If they're still there and they're actively fighting, they've made their choice to support an effort to wage war on civilians.
Large scale on video POW murders... yeah that would erode international support. And is very hard to control. Flip side to that is rapes, looting, mass civilian destruction and using cluster munitions on civilian areas and bombing kids shelters. There is a massive amount of good will for the Ukes that the occasional prisoner pop probably won't undercut.lb3 said:More importantly for Ukraine, a lot of barbarism could erode support from Ukraine's international benefactors.Get Off My Lawn said:As garryowenag said - unbridled bloodlust impairs things up to the strategic level.TacosaurusRex said:I know there are rules to war, but when you invade, bomb, and raid my country things change. Especially if I am in a militia and I catch you, you're getting sunflower seeds in your pocket and your mother can take it up with Putin.Eliminatus said:ttu_85 said:You should. This crap is how you get rivers of blood for decades or centuries. Think with your head and not your emotions. Could you imagine if, in our Civil War the Union and Confeds massacred their POWs. This nation would never have been put back together. This kind of blood letting helps no-oneTexasAggie_02 said:i honestly don't care. Ukrainians are fighting for their very existence. Russians are murdering civilians, I don't care what Ukraine does with combatants. If they were pushing into Russia, that would be different, but they are defending their homes.Quote:
I just watched the video. Those guys pulled one person out of the hatch and pushed him into the barn out of view of the camera then a round was fired from someone. They never went back for their prisoner. I suspect that shot was a "stop resisting" shot and no prisoners were taken.
But, but, Russia and Ukraine are different countries. Yeah only lately and they have a shared history and culture. Nothing poisons the well of the future like atrocities. Just ask China and Japan. China will always hate Japan for the Rape of NanKing. True peace between those two is all but impossible. Imagine if Sherman did to Atlanta what the Japanese did to NanKing.
This kind of insanity on both sides has to stop.
It's pretty much impossible to keep emotions out of the picture of you are on the ground fighting for your existence. Maybe true sociopaths can do it. Most can't. What you say is correct of course, but we have the luxury of being far away in our cozy homes and detached which gives us the ability to remain impartial and think "rationally".
We are but human.
This is why organized armies need strong commanders and discipline. These look like local militia though, essentially on their own. It's a tough topic and one that has raged since the first human brained another one with a rock. It's also one thing to rape and pillage civilians and another executing armed combatants in an increasingly brutal war on both sides. There are so many sliding variables at play here that we will never have a definite answer. Sometimes you play nice at war and it works. Like not sacking captured cities. Sometimes you just kill so many the other side has to stop. Think of the Plains Indians. Both have happened. Which means both are valid. Both have also failed.
Either way, I won't condemn these fellas and I won't lose any sleep. Life is tough. Even more so when you are a Russian armored vehicle crew member in Ukraine. I also have never claimed to be a saint and I sure as hell don't believe that all life is sacred. Then the fact that invaders usually set the tone of how "nice" a war is going to be. Russian has definitely set the tone here first.
In the COIN world there was talk about the strategic corporal: the idea that good and bad individual deeds have ripple effects. Well, in this social media war, the same holds true. Every instance of this type can be used by Russia to make their rank&file MORE willing to fight brutally to the death.
That said, there is some value in having irregulars on the battlefield operating outside international norms. It can cause fear when they move into your sector and motivate soldiers to surrender to regular forces.
The down side is the irregulars invite civilian reprisals.
Should prisoners be treated humanely and moved to the rear and into captivity. Yes. Will it happen 100% of the time. Hell no. I feel for the prisoner's family but ultimately their anger should be directed at the people who sent him to the Ukraine.
I think most people here understand that these things happen in war for a multitude of reasons. And in response to an earlier post the Union army under Sherman did absolutely horrific things on it's march to the sea. Sherman punished a few soldiers to keep it from going from a common occurrence to breaking down the army but not much more. He was under no illusions as to what was happening either. And if you think that Ukrainians didn't already bare some hatred for Russians after the famine then you need to read more.
This is an interesting one if true. An interview with a DNR soldier in Mariupol. There is a part two in the comments if ya want. I won't bother linking that one though as most of us don't speak the language.
Basically, things are not the greatest for Russia.
There are translations as well.
Basically, things are not the greatest for Russia.
There are translations as well.
A #Russian #DNR reconnaissance soldier explains that the situation in #Mariupol is difficult, and the Russians do not control 80% of the city as they advertise. Fighting is complex, and #Azov fighters are extremely crafty.
— fnord akimbo (@Tibtinabulum) March 28, 2022
He even asks not to remove that part of the interview. pic.twitter.com/Pn1RLPufkO
part 2https://t.co/5IVmZqf6Pc
— Dmitri (@mdmitri91) March 29, 2022
aezmvp said:Might have a few patrol craft, like outboard motor boats but nothing significant. Honestly would love for them to get some UUWV to see how well those could take out a frigate or LST or sub. One time and some press about one they put together themselves and yeah all of a sudden all the Russian ships are behind torpedo nets in Sevastapol.Eliminatus said:
Does anyone know if the Ukes have any naval capacity left? Even if just gunboats? Can't find any info on it.
About that I thought, thanks. Was just looking into Russian combat ship capability and wondering how they would fair in an equal fight.
I'm also assuming that most of the combat troops, if not all, have already gone to shore elsewhere and went up through Crimea. Keeping the fleet out there though does lock down Uke forces in several port areas but mainly Odessa.
They're in for a cold night...
You simply can’t make this up https://t.co/NpidcyZBPW
— Oryx (@oryxspioenkop) March 29, 2022
U.S. switchblade drones have not yet arrived in Ukraine: top U.S. general in Europe
— Jack Detsch (@JackDetsch) March 29, 2022
That is awesome. Should be some pretty good memes come off that. Looks like morning sun which would have them headed north in hurry. Falling out may be a blessing if those vehicles hit an ambush.MeatDr said:
They're in for a cold night...You simply can’t make this up https://t.co/NpidcyZBPW
— Oryx (@oryxspioenkop) March 29, 2022
This is pretty common in training and expect even more frequently in combat. Somewhere outside Dahlonega we boarded CH47s and last guy in my stick told RI "last in line missing nine" but somehow MSG didn't get through and next LZ was an hour FLT time away and we lost the aircraft. Turned in to a pretty big CF and can't imagine the wake up those 9 got when they were recovered.
Looks like they spotted the drone watching them and the driver decided to try to outrun it. Everybody else was left to fend for themselves.MeatDr said:
They're in for a cold night...You simply can’t make this up https://t.co/NpidcyZBPW
— Oryx (@oryxspioenkop) March 29, 2022
This made me lol.
I’m going to include this T-34 and there’s nothing you can do to stop me pic.twitter.com/0HuYFEejKD
— Oryx (@oryxspioenkop) March 29, 2022
They certainly haven't been serious about peace talks up until today. Why would they start now?
⚡️Blinken: No signs that Russia is serious about peace talks with Ukraine.
— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) March 29, 2022
“There is what Russia says, and there is what Russia does. We’re focused on the latter,” U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said at a press conference, as quoted by CNN.
MeatDr said:U.S. switchblade drones have not yet arrived in Ukraine: top U.S. general in Europe
— Jack Detsch (@JackDetsch) March 29, 2022
Anyone think these will be game changers when they get in the hands of the Ukes?
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
Russian Deputy Defense Minister Fomin said that details of the "de-escalation" in the Kyiv and Chernihiv directions will be presented by the Russian General Staff upon the return of the Russian delegation from Turkey to Moscow.https://t.co/dYgXs466JA
— Status-6 (@Archer83Able) March 29, 2022
JUST IN: Russia has committed 70 to 75 percent of its TOTAL military to the war in Ukraine, top U.S. general in Europe tells Congress.
— Jack Detsch (@JackDetsch) March 29, 2022
Ukraine can "certainly succeed" in stalling Russia, said Gen. Tod Wolters.
I find this hard to believe since there are tons of reserve forces not yet committed. I wish they provided additional details or clarity.
⚡️Netherlands, Belgium, Czech Republic expel Russian diplomats over espionage.
— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) March 29, 2022
17 diplomats have been expelled from the Netherlands, 21 from Belgium, and 1 from the Czech Republic. “We are reducing the Russian intelligence presence in the EU,” Czech foreign ministry wrote.
Also
Additionally, Ireland has asked four senior Russian diplomats to leave because their activities are not in accordance with the international standards.
— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) March 29, 2022
600 series maybe.No Spin Ag said:MeatDr said:U.S. switchblade drones have not yet arrived in Ukraine: top U.S. general in Europe
— Jack Detsch (@JackDetsch) March 29, 2022
Anyone think these will be game changers when they get in the hands of the Ukes?
Why state this? Why give that info out there so the Russians know they can keep getting their licks in without worrying about these?aezmvp said:600 series maybe.No Spin Ag said:MeatDr said:U.S. switchblade drones have not yet arrived in Ukraine: top U.S. general in Europe
— Jack Detsch (@JackDetsch) March 29, 2022
Anyone think these will be game changers when they get in the hands of the Ukes?
First signs that some Russian troops are indeed retreating from the Kyiv direction. Large numbers of BMDs with Russian and VDV flags were spotted today on their way from the Ukrainian border to Belarus' Rechitsa and Gomel where they were loaded onto railway platforms. pic.twitter.com/6B5qTsgFRq
— Tadeusz Giczan 🇺🇦 (@TadeuszGiczan) March 29, 2022
I wouldn't trust anything anyone says about who has what and when. For all we know they've had them for a week and are using these things in the field.
I guess this is the response you make when your troops are getting waxed in these areas. It's like forfeiting a game when you're getting beat 7-0, and taking the ball and going home so they can't beat you 42-0.GarryowenAg said:Russian Deputy Defense Minister Fomin said that details of the "de-escalation" in the Kyiv and Chernihiv directions will be presented by the Russian General Staff upon the return of the Russian delegation from Turkey to Moscow.https://t.co/dYgXs466JA
— Status-6 (@Archer83Able) March 29, 2022
Fear. Think it's bad now, wait until the Switchblades get there.txags92 said:Why state this? Why give that info out there so the Russians know they can keep getting their licks in without worrying about these?aezmvp said:600 series maybe.No Spin Ag said:MeatDr said:U.S. switchblade drones have not yet arrived in Ukraine: top U.S. general in Europe
— Jack Detsch (@JackDetsch) March 29, 2022
Anyone think these will be game changers when they get in the hands of the Ukes?
GarryowenAg said:Russian Deputy Defense Minister Fomin said that details of the "de-escalation" in the Kyiv and Chernihiv directions will be presented by the Russian General Staff upon the return of the Russian delegation from Turkey to Moscow.https://t.co/dYgXs466JA
— Status-6 (@Archer83Able) March 29, 2022
"We're getting our ***es kicked, so we're pulling back as a show of peaceful intentions."
No I'm saying that I don't think the 300 series changes reality on the ground. The explosive charge can disable a truck or a piece of towed artillery or a towed heavy mortar but it's not going to change things on the ground. The 600 can take out MBT, AFV/IFV/APC, and SPG.txags92 said:Why state this? Why give that info out there so the Russians know they can keep getting their licks in without worrying about these?aezmvp said:600 series maybe.No Spin Ag said:MeatDr said:U.S. switchblade drones have not yet arrived in Ukraine: top U.S. general in Europe
— Jack Detsch (@JackDetsch) March 29, 2022
Anyone think these will be game changers when they get in the hands of the Ukes?
It's not a retreat, they are just advancing in the opposite direction, I guess.Quote:
"We're getting our ***es kicked, so we're pulling back as a show of peaceful intentions."
Can't trust a word from Moscow.
Could be a regrouping/rearmament effort to try again at some point when weather allows. Could also be moving some of these assets to the eastern front to try to better secure Donbass and southeast.
Either way, Ukraine can't likely afford to move significant numbers of troops away from Kyiv to fight elsewhere.
Could be a regrouping/rearmament effort to try again at some point when weather allows. Could also be moving some of these assets to the eastern front to try to better secure Donbass and southeast.
Either way, Ukraine can't likely afford to move significant numbers of troops away from Kyiv to fight elsewhere.
More details on what that beautiful sculpture once was.
General Staff: Ukrainian troops destroy Russian Kamaz Typhoon armored vehicle.
— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) March 29, 2022
Kamaz Typhoon mine resistant ambush protected (MRAP) vehicles are among the Russian military’s best weapons.
Photo: General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine/Facebook pic.twitter.com/xmBM9Ex5jL
Artillery and MLRS is what they need to be taking out. The Ukes want Russia fighting at close range.
Move infantry and armor back into Belarus, over to Russia, and then bring them in from the east. Continue aerial and rocket bombardment from Belarus towards Kyiv.aggiehawg said:First signs that some Russian troops are indeed retreating from the Kyiv direction. Large numbers of BMDs with Russian and VDV flags were spotted today on their way from the Ukrainian border to Belarus' Rechitsa and Gomel where they were loaded onto railway platforms. pic.twitter.com/6B5qTsgFRq
— Tadeusz Giczan 🇺🇦 (@TadeuszGiczan) March 29, 2022
GarryowenAg said:JUST IN: Russia has committed 70 to 75 percent of its TOTAL military to the war in Ukraine, top U.S. general in Europe tells Congress.
— Jack Detsch (@JackDetsch) March 29, 2022
Ukraine can "certainly succeed" in stalling Russia, said Gen. Tod Wolters.
I find this hard to believe since there are tons of reserve forces not yet committed. I wish they provided additional details or clarity.
Ya I don't believe this at all. They invaded with something less than 200k troops. There's no way that they constitute 70% of the entire military.
In the past, many militaries have used strategic pullbacks to their advantage. Would not call this a rout or a retreat.
Yeah that doesn't seem to add up. If they said functional BTG maybe I could believe that number?RebelE Infantry said:GarryowenAg said:JUST IN: Russia has committed 70 to 75 percent of its TOTAL military to the war in Ukraine, top U.S. general in Europe tells Congress.
— Jack Detsch (@JackDetsch) March 29, 2022
Ukraine can "certainly succeed" in stalling Russia, said Gen. Tod Wolters.
I find this hard to believe since there are tons of reserve forces not yet committed. I wish they provided additional details or clarity.
Ya I don't believe this at all. They invaded with something less than 200k troops. There's no way that they constitute 70% of the entire military.
aggiehawg said:First signs that some Russian troops are indeed retreating from the Kyiv direction. Large numbers of BMDs with Russian and VDV flags were spotted today on their way from the Ukrainian border to Belarus' Rechitsa and Gomel where they were loaded onto railway platforms. pic.twitter.com/6B5qTsgFRq
— Tadeusz Giczan 🇺🇦 (@TadeuszGiczan) March 29, 2022
It wouldn't surprise me to see these troops show up somewhere on the Donbas front.
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