🇺🇦❌🇷🇺According to preliminary information to the Ukrainian Forces, the commander and chief of staff of the 503rd Motorized Rifle Regiment of the 19th Motorized Rifle Division of the 58th General Russian Army was KIA #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/VK2la88TKl

— The RAGE X - Intel (@theragex) March 29, 2022

Well since they aren't in the middle of a "War" with Ukraine, that spot probably isn't considered "Hot" to them. So, yes, I believe they believe it.

I can confirm that Alpha 1, a Ukrainian Foreign Legion team of multinational special operations soldiers, including American volunteers, took part in the liberation of Irpin. pic.twitter.com/IIUrwiWhIu

— Nolan Peterson (@nolanwpeterson) March 29, 2022

It's a war sculpture!

pic.twitter.com/wtqFe4vqL7

— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) March 29, 2022

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2/ Humanitarian Impact. Refugees in various European countries exceeds 5.1 million, with over 6.5 million IDPs throughout Ukraine. Illness, mental breakdown, starvation area a few of the condition’s civilians suffer in occupied and contested areas. https://t.co/7qFedY4kUr

— Jomini of the West (@JominiW) March 29, 2022

4/ Kyiv Front. The loss of Irpin is a severe blow to Russian forces in NW Kyiv and a significant victory for Ukrainian forces. The inability of Russian forces to hold this key terrain shows they are not capable of new offensive operations in NW Kyiv for the foreseeable future. pic.twitter.com/sHQC5drB7u

— Jomini of the West (@JominiW) March 29, 2022

6/ Cyber War. Ukrainian internet provider Uktelecom confirms cyber-attack on its core infrastructure. This attack was most likely an attempt to disrupt internet services & telecommunications on a national scale. The attack was repulsed, and services have generally been restored.

— Jomini of the West (@JominiW) March 29, 2022

8/ Battle Damage Assessment. Ukrainian General Staff reports 17x aerial targets have been destroyed in the past 24 hrs. to include 8x planes, 4x UAVs, 3x helicopters, and 2x cruise missiles. Russian patrols remain vulnerable to effective ambushes. https://t.co/xFBK9JMQSG

— Jomini of the West (@JominiW) March 29, 2022

10/ Ukraine has hard choices to make when it comes to negotiating a settlement to end the war. One thing both sides seem not ready to concede is the future political status of the Donbas. It is possible a ceasefire may be reached in the coming weeks, only to refreeze the conflict

— Jomini of the West (@JominiW) March 29, 2022

12/ There is a good chance Russia is not negotiating in true faith and will use this process to buy time to build the resources it needs to more securely hold the Donbas and Kherson Oblast to impose a revived Novorossiya Project on the region, compelling Ukrainian acceptance.

— Jomini of the West (@JominiW) March 29, 2022

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Hilarious. CNN just posted that russian MOD stated they are significantly reducing military efforts around Kviv to better allow peace talks to continue. BS.

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I just watched the video. Those guys pulled one person out of the hatch and pushed him into the barn out of view of the camera then a round was fired from someone. They never went back for their prisoner. I suspect that shot was a "stop resisting" shot and no prisoners were taken.

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i honestly don't care. Ukrainians are fighting for their very existence. Russians are murdering civilians, I don't care what Ukraine does with combatants. If they were pushing into Russia, that would be different, but they are defending their homes.

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I just watched the video. Those guys pulled one person out of the hatch and pushed him into the barn out of view of the camera then a round was fired from someone. They never went back for their prisoner. I suspect that shot was a "stop resisting" shot and no prisoners were taken.

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i honestly don't care. Ukrainians are fighting for their very existence. Russians are murdering civilians, I don't care what Ukraine does with combatants. If they were pushing into Russia, that would be different, but they are defending their homes.

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You should. This crap is how you get rivers of blood for decades or centuries. Think with your head and not your emotions. Could you imagine if, in our Civil War the Union and Confeds massacred their POWs. This nation would never have been put back together. This kind of blood letting helps no-one

But, but, Russia and Ukraine are different countries. Yeah only lately and they have a shared history and culture. Nothing poisons the well of the future like atrocities. Just ask China and Japan. China will always hate Japan for the Rape of NanKing. True peace between those two is all but impossible. Imagine if Sherman did to Atlanta what the Japanese did to NanKing.

This kind of insanity on both sides has to stop.

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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I just watched the video. Those guys pulled one person out of the hatch and pushed him into the barn out of view of the camera then a round was fired from someone. They never went back for their prisoner. I suspect that shot was a "stop resisting" shot and no prisoners were taken.

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i honestly don't care. Ukrainians are fighting for their very existence. Russians are murdering civilians, I don't care what Ukraine does with combatants. If they were pushing into Russia, that would be different, but they are defending their homes.

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You should. This crap is how you get rivers of blood for decades or centuries. Think with your head and not your emotions. Could you imagine if, in our Civil War the Union and Confeds massacred their POWs. This nation would never have been put back together. This kind of blood letting helps no-one

But, but, Russia and Ukraine are different countries. Yeah only lately and they have a shared history and culture. Nothing poisons the well of the future like atrocities. Just ask China and Japan. China will always hate Japan for the Rape of NanKing. True peace between those to is all but impossible.

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The well was already poisoned when the Russians indiscriminately bombed city centers and apartment complexes from day 1.

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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I just watched the video. Those guys pulled one person out of the hatch and pushed him into the barn out of view of the camera then a round was fired from someone. They never went back for their prisoner. I suspect that shot was a "stop resisting" shot and no prisoners were taken.

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i honestly don't care. Ukrainians are fighting for their very existence. Russians are murdering civilians, I don't care what Ukraine does with combatants. If they were pushing into Russia, that would be different, but they are defending their homes.

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You should. This crap is how you get rivers of blood for decades or centuries. Think with your head and not your emotions. Could you imagine if, in our Civil War the Union and Confeds massacred their POWs. This nation would never have been put back together. This kind of blood letting helps no-one

But, but, Russia and Ukraine are different countries. Yeah only lately and they have a shared history and culture. Nothing poisons the well of the future like atrocities. Just ask China and Japan. China will always hate Japan for the Rape of NanKing. True peace between those two is all but impossible. Imagine if Sherman did to Atlanta what the Japanese did to NanKing.

This kind of insanity on both sides has to stop.

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It's pretty much impossible to keep emotions out of the picture of you are on the ground fighting for your existence. Maybe true sociopaths can do it. Most can't. What you say is correct of course, but we have the luxury of being far away in our cozy homes and detached which gives us the ability to remain impartial and think "rationally".

We are but human.

This is why organized armies need strong commanders and discipline. These look like local militia though, essentially on their own. It's a tough topic and one that has raged since the first human brained another one with a rock. It's also one thing to rape and pillage civilians and another executing armed combatants in an increasingly brutal war on both sides. There are so many sliding variables at play here that we will never have a definite answer. Sometimes you play nice at war and it works. Like not sacking captured cities. Sometimes you just kill so many the other side has to stop. Think of the Plains Indians. Both have happened. Which means both are valid. Both have also failed.

Either way, I won't condemn these fellas and I won't lose any sleep. Life is tough. Even more so when you are a Russian armored vehicle crew member in Ukraine. I also have never claimed to be a saint and I sure as hell don't believe that all life is sacred. Then the fact that invaders usually set the tone of how "nice" a war is going to be. Russian has definitely set the tone here first.

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I just watched the video. Those guys pulled one person out of the hatch and pushed him into the barn out of view of the camera then a round was fired from someone. They never went back for their prisoner. I suspect that shot was a "stop resisting" shot and no prisoners were taken.

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i honestly don't care. Ukrainians are fighting for their very existence. Russians are murdering civilians, I don't care what Ukraine does with combatants. If they were pushing into Russia, that would be different, but they are defending their homes.

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You should. This crap is how you get rivers of blood for decades or centuries. Think with your head and not your emotions. Could you imagine if, in our Civil War the Union and Confeds massacred their POWs. This nation would never have been put back together. This kind of blood letting helps no-one

But, but, Russia and Ukraine are different countries. Yeah only lately and they have a shared history and culture. Nothing poisons the well of the future like atrocities. Just ask China and Japan. China will always hate Japan for the Rape of NanKing. True peace between those two is all but impossible. Imagine if Sherman did to Atlanta what the Japanese did to NanKing.

This kind of insanity on both sides has to stop.

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It's pretty much impossible to keep emotions out of the picture of you are on the ground fighting for your existence. Maybe true sociopaths can do it. Most can't. What you say is correct of course, but we have the luxury of being far away in our cozy homes and detached which gives us the ability to remain impartial and think "rationally".

We are but human.

This is why organized armies need strong commanders and discipline. These look like local militia though, essentially on their own. It's a tough topic and one that has raged since the first human brained another one with a rock. It's also one thing to rape and pillage civilians and another executing armed combatants in an increasingly brutal war on both sides. There are so many sliding variables at play here that we will never have a definite answer. Sometimes you play nice at war and it works. Like not sacking captured cities. Sometimes you just kill so many the other side has to stop. Think of the Plains Indians. Both have happened. Which means both are valid. Both have also failed.

Either way, I won't condemn these fellas and I won't lose any sleep. Life is tough. Even more so when you are a Russian armored vehicle crew member in Ukraine. I also have never claimed to be a saint and I sure as hell don't believe that all life is sacred. Then the fact that invaders usually set the tone of how "nice" a war is going to be. Russian has definitely set the tone here first.

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I know there are rules to war, but when you invade, bomb, and raid my country things change. Especially if I am in a militia and I catch you, you're getting sunflower seeds in your pocket and your mother can take it up with Putin.

I don’t know if Russians are really withdrawing troops from Kyiv, but what I know for sure is that Ukraine continues engaging them northwest of Kyiv.

— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) March 29, 2022

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How do you think the Russians will react once this gets analyzed and played in a loop? The goal of conflict is to neutralize your enemy. How willing will the Russians be to surrender if they think they'll be murdered immediately afterwards? They'll become emboldened to fight harder, and possibly to the death. Law of Land Warfare has a purpose.

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Desert faster?

Demographically, Putin sealed Russia's fate with this war.

As I see it the Uke's can easily call it the Castle Doctrine. All they are doing is Grandma Sunflower Seed's bidding.

⚡️The author of the slogan about the #Russian warship returned home

Border guard Roman Gribov returned from captivity and received the award "For Services to #Cherkassy Region". pic.twitter.com/u1xjtnIkQP

— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) March 29, 2022

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⚡️The author of the slogan about the #Russian warship returned home

Border guard Roman Gribov returned from captivity and received the award "For Services to #Cherkassy Region". pic.twitter.com/u1xjtnIkQP

— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) March 29, 2022

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so this is the "russian warship go **** yourself guy?"

I thought everyone on that little island was shelled, didn't realize there were any survivors.

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I think it was shelled and everyone said they died. Then news came out like a week later that they'd been captured.

I believe there was a prisoner swap here in the last couple days and the Snake Island guys were returned to Ukraine.

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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I just watched the video. Those guys pulled one person out of the hatch and pushed him into the barn out of view of the camera then a round was fired from someone. They never went back for their prisoner. I suspect that shot was a "stop resisting" shot and no prisoners were taken.

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i honestly don't care. Ukrainians are fighting for their very existence. Russians are murdering civilians, I don't care what Ukraine does with combatants. If they were pushing into Russia, that would be different, but they are defending their homes.

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You should. This crap is how you get rivers of blood for decades or centuries. Think with your head and not your emotions. Could you imagine if, in our Civil War the Union and Confeds massacred their POWs. This nation would never have been put back together. This kind of blood letting helps no-one

But, but, Russia and Ukraine are different countries. Yeah only lately and they have a shared history and culture. Nothing poisons the well of the future like atrocities. Just ask China and Japan. China will always hate Japan for the Rape of NanKing. True peace between those two is all but impossible. Imagine if Sherman did to Atlanta what the Japanese did to NanKing.

This kind of insanity on both sides has to stop.

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You are exactly right. And I find it hard to believe we are even debating this.

Committing atrocities against unarmed, helpless, non-combatants is the same as massacring civilians.

Both are unacceptable to a civilized armed force, and society.

Keep in mind, gents, that you don't know what happened when the Russian was pushed into the barn. Was he executed in cold blood? Possibly. Did he draw his sidearm and get quickly dispatched? Also possible.

The video leaves too much to the imagination, which is a problem for either side.

ETA: Either way, I don't see it being used strongly by the Russians. Imagine showing your soldiers and your country that some dude with a handgun dunked on an infantry fighting vehicle.

Reminder: Russia invade Ukraine

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Keep in mind, gents, that you don't know what happened when the Russian was pushed into the barn. Was he executed in cold blood? Possibly. Did he draw his sidearm and get quickly dispatched? Also possible.

The video leaves too much to the imagination, which is a problem for either side.

Either way, I don't see it being used strongly by the Russians. Imagine showing your soldiers and your country that so.e dude with a handgun dunked on an infantry fighting vehicle.

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I apologize for replying to this thread with non-tactical information. I vote we move on and drop this and get this thread back to as close to factual information as possible. Thank you to all the guys putting in the time to bring all the information to one place.

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I just watched the video. Those guys pulled one person out of the hatch and pushed him into the barn out of view of the camera then a round was fired from someone. They never went back for their prisoner. I suspect that shot was a "stop resisting" shot and no prisoners were taken.

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i honestly don't care. Ukrainians are fighting for their very existence. Russians are murdering civilians, I don't care what Ukraine does with combatants. If they were pushing into Russia, that would be different, but they are defending their homes.

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You should. This crap is how you get rivers of blood for decades or centuries. Think with your head and not your emotions. Could you imagine if, in our Civil War the Union and Confeds massacred their POWs. This nation would never have been put back together. This kind of blood letting helps no-one

But, but, Russia and Ukraine are different countries. Yeah only lately and they have a shared history and culture. Nothing poisons the well of the future like atrocities. Just ask China and Japan. China will always hate Japan for the Rape of NanKing. True peace between those two is all but impossible. Imagine if Sherman did to Atlanta what the Japanese did to NanKing.

This kind of insanity on both sides has to stop.

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You are exactly right. And I find it hard to believe we are even debating this.

Committing atrocities against unarmed, helpless, non-combatants is the same as massacring civilians.

Both are unacceptable to a civilized armed force, and society.

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Again, you are comparing the actions of government directed troops deliberately committing atrocities to the emotional reaction of locals who got their hands on somebody invading and destroying their country. Nobody here is advocating that the Uke military issue orders to summarily execute all POWs. But we can understand the visceral reaction a local militia might have if they got their hands on somebody who had been shelling the homes of their friends and family the day before. The emotionally driven actions of locals reacting to the brutality inflicted upon their civilian population by Russian troops is not the same as Russian commanders ordering the shelling of civilian shelters and residential buildings. Organized troops should always keep themselves under control, but I am not going to pretend from my comfy chair that I could be that controlled if I were a militiaman defending my hometown against an invading force that was destroying it.