Poland used to have the Patriot missile system, or did in 2018 and before. I thought that was an agreement and was a huge issue for Russia for a while since they were pointed their direction. Honestly I am not sure how good it is since we have done minimal upgrades to it and the Russian S400 is a better system.12th Man Stan Account said:NULAND SAYS U.S. IS LOOKING AT PUTTING SOME PATRIOT MISSILE BATTERIES IN POLAND
— *Walter Bloomberg (@DeItaone) March 8, 2022
This should help the Poles.
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Who knows what the real story is behind the goofy rhetoric regarding the transfer of planes and there might be some mods going on those aircraft that needs to be done at Ramstein to make them more effective etc.nortex97 said:Absolutely. Keep in mind, as well, the Polish Mig-29's are not...newish or state of the art/even recent models/versions. The Russian Air Force has been a disaster in this war, unable to sustain any real air superiority or coordinated attacks, and the addition of a dozen or two 30 year old -29's from Poland for Ukraine is unlikely to have any real impact other than...a possible trigger for Putin.FireAg said:Makes me wonder if we are now playing our first real game of chicken...OKC~Ag said:
Poland transfers MiG fighters to the U.S....
and eventually to Ukraine
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/poland-transfers-mig-fighters-to-the-us-as-ukraine-asks-for-help/ar-AAUNgV1?li=BBnb7Kz
IF these stories are correct, and the US aides in the delivery of MiGs by way of Ramstein in Germany, then there really isn't much difference between that and the US formally announcing we are getting involved...it's all just semantics at that point...
IF these stories are correct, it would make me wonder if we have reason to believe that Vlad is too weak to really try to take on the West, even with the big firecrackers...
On the other hand, that's still a helluva a gamble...
Which begs the question; why?
Not sure why Poland is worried about optics they are currently the modern day ho chi minh trail into UKR and have been from day 1. Currently, there has been 391 pieces of russian equipment destroyed with thousands of russian soldiers killed and some percentage of those came from munitions shipped right out of poland; 51 of that being MBTs which aren't cheap. They have had no shortage of C130s, C17s, and or C5s dumping goods slated for UKR almost nonstop.
Planes won't matter if some of the Ukes get encircled fighting in Donbas.
OPSEC - they would have called up troops using training exercise as an excuseSpaceship said:McInnis 03 said:U.S. has "anecdotal" evidence that some of Russia's more than 150,000 invading troops into Ukraine were told they were going on a training exercise: senior U.S. defense official.
— Jack Detsch (@JackDetsch) March 8, 2022
Seems like something you'd tell your troops if you want the invasion to go very poorly. Makes zero sense.
A lot of it was Migs vs F4s and the like, the F4 was designed to be a bomber, not a fighter, hence the reason why Top Gun was formed. They were eating us for lunch and we did not have a multipurpose aircraft like the F15/16.txags92 said:Our pilots were shot down by Russian piloted MIGs over Vietnam.LMCane said:Again, delivering weapons to an opponent has been done numerous times in the battles between Soviets and Americans- but we have never come face to face and actually fired at each other.FireAg said:Makes me wonder if we are now playing our first real game of chicken...OKC~Ag said:
Poland transfers MiG fighters to the U.S....
and eventually to Ukraine
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/poland-transfers-mig-fighters-to-the-us-as-ukraine-asks-for-help/ar-AAUNgV1?li=BBnb7Kz
IF these stories are correct, and the US aides in the delivery of MiGs by way of Ramstein in Germany, then there really isn't much difference between that and the US formally announcing we are getting involved...it's all just semantics at that point...
IF these stories are correct, it would make me wonder if we have reason to believe that Vlad is too weak to really try to take on the West, even with the big firecrackers...
On the other hand, that's still a helluva a gamble...
that's a huge difference.
About the only thing the Mig29 has an advantage of is low speed, nose down under 200 knots which can do that all the way to 100 knots so it lends well with support rolls. It is decent at CAS and dropping bombs and getting out of there ASAFP. Visibility is limited but if It is not in a dog fight then it is a good aircraft.
'We are refugees': Russians flee rising authoritarianism - Public figures and critical Russians flock to the Baltic states, Georgia, Armenia and Turkey amid the war on Ukraine.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/8/we-are-refugees-russians-flee-rising-authoritarianism
Sad to here, but assuming nobody is really that surprised. Short of a military coup or assassination, not sure what an ordinary citizen can doQuote:
Russians, disheartened by the war in Ukraine, fearful of the pressure from sanctions, and concerned by the muzzling of critical voices, have been fleeing their country in recent days.
Their options are limited with a near-complete shutdown of European airspace to all flights inbound and outbound from Russia, only a handful of exit corridors remain. Those wishing to leave from the European side of the country are crossing the land border to Finland or the Baltic states (Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania). Those who do not have European visas head to Georgia, Armenia and Turkey, where a Russian dissident community is growing.
"Do you think we are tourists, or it's just that we got the calendar wrong and decided that it's July-September? Or that we all suddenly and desperately wanted Saperavi and khachapuri? (Georgian wine and pastry).
"We are not tourists, dear citizens of Georgia. We are refugees. Personally, I was wanted by the police in Russia for distributing anti-war petitions … [We] ran not from bullets, bombs and missiles, but from prison. If I wrote what I write now while in Russia, I would inevitably go to prison for 15-20 years."
"We feel pain, shame, horror, disgust, anger and powerlessness. We cannot influence what [Russian President Vladimir] Putin is doing under the name of the Russian Federation, destroying both Ukraine and Russia," he wrote.
"We can only resist it by being abroad … Personally, in recent years, I have lost the opportunity to work in the Russian Federation as a journalist, as a teacher, as an organiser of public lectures and discussions, and as a researcher in social sciences. It is impossible to fight this from within Russia now."
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/8/we-are-refugees-russians-flee-rising-authoritarianism
I guess this may be our Britney Griner?
(Reuters) - A dual national of the United States and Russia, Elena Branson, has been charged with acting illegally as an agent of the Russian government, federal prosecutors in Manhattan said
— Phil Stewart (@phildstewart) March 8, 2022
A-10 pilots explain why stopping Russia's 40-mile convoy near Kyiv would be a very dangerous mission
https://www.businessinsider.com/a10-pilots-stopping-russian-convoy-in-ukraine-would-be-dangerous-2022-3Quote:
The photos of highways clogged with Russian invasion forces have prompted armchair experts on social media to post memes of the A-10 Warthog with "BRRRRRRT!" scrawled across them. The Facebook "experts" suggest a few A-10s could just roll in and use their GAU-8 30 mm cannons and AGM-65 Maverick missiles to decimate the Russian vehicle column. "That's what I told my wife!" one of the posts read.
But according to current A-10 pilots, there's only one problem, "It's not that easy," An Air National Guard A-10C Thunderbolt II pilot told TheAviationist.com. "It has to be a pretty permissive environment for us to just roll in and do a gun run. That doesn't happen much anymore."
Axe went on to say in his January 10, 2022, article, "If that Russian army rolls in, a whole lot of additional MANPADS and SAM vehicles will come with it. They, combined with longer-range SAMs on the Russian side of the border, could force the Ukrainian army in Donbas to fight without the benefit of any aerial support."
And even though recent upgrades to A-10C Thunderbolt II have improved its targeting and communications capabilities, the A-10 was built to fight a very different war than the one we are seeing now in Ukraine.
Although the A-10 was heavily armored with a titanium tub surrounding its cockpit, its prospects for survival even in the Soviet air-defense era were poor due to a concentration of effective, highly mobile anti-aircraft weapons systems perfected by Russian suppliers in the real-world testing grounds of the Vietnam War and the many Arab-Israeli wars.
And, during this entire time, the Russians have been perfecting the capability to shoot down Western aircraft at test sites in Russia and real-world battlefields from Cuba to Africa, the Middle East, Indo-China and the Arctic.
The F-4 was designed to be a BVR, all-weather fleet defense fighter. It wasn't initially designed to be particularly effective once in the merge, as its radar guided Sparrows were supposed to have dealt with threats at long range. The necessities of positive visual ID of targets in the ROE took Phantoms and their crews tp the merge where the necessities of BFM skills (and the deterioration thereof) become quite obvious. This is one reason Top Gun was created.P.U.T.U said:
A lot of it was Migs vs F4s and the like, the F4 was designed to be a bomber, not a fighter, hence the reason why Top Gun was formed. They were eating us for lunch and we did not have a multipurpose aircraft like the F15/16.
About the only thing the Mig29 has an advantage of is low speed, nose down under 200 knots which can do that all the way to 100 knots so it lends well with support rolls. It is decent at CAS and dropping bombs and getting out of there ASAFP. Visibility is limited but if It is not in a dog fight then it is a good aircraft.
This is important: Poland's PM suggests a decision to give Ukraine fighter planes (to man its own no-fly zone against Russia) should be a NATO one. He says it's why Poland is ready to move its MiG-29 jets to a US base in Germany "but we're not ready to make any moves on our own"
— Deborah Haynes (@haynesdeborah) March 8, 2022
That may have been true back then. But is it still true? I think the jury is still out on that given the events of the last 12 days.Quote:
Although the A-10 was heavily armored with a titanium tub surrounding its cockpit, its prospects for survival even in the Soviet air-defense era were poor due to a concentration of effective, highly mobile anti-aircraft weapons systems perfected by Russian suppliers in the real-world testing grounds of the Vietnam War and the many Arab-Israeli wars.
Poland itching to get into the fight it seems.ATX_AG_08 said:This is important: Poland's PM suggests a decision to give Ukraine fighter planes (to man its own no-fly zone against Russia) should be a NATO one. He says it's why Poland is ready to move its MiG-29 jets to a US base in Germany "but we're not ready to make any moves on our own"
— Deborah Haynes (@haynesdeborah) March 8, 2022
Haha….
The Ukrainian ppls humor throughout this has been impressive.
The Ukrainian ppls humor throughout this has been impressive.
The dude was not kidding, by the way.
— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) March 8, 2022
Glad I had waited to post my long diatribe and read this. Spot on. Thanks for posting. BVR - Beyond Visual Range. BFM - Basic Fighter Maneuver just for clarification of this post.Wakesurfer817 said:The F-4 was designed to be a BVR, all-weather fleet defense fighter. It wasn't initially designed to be particularly effective once in the merge, as its radar guided Sparrows were supposed to have dealt with threats at long range. The necessities of positive visual ID of targets in the ROE took Phantoms and their crews tp the merge where the necessities of BFM skills (and the deterioration thereof) become quite obvious. This is one reason Top Gun was created.P.U.T.U said:
A lot of it was Migs vs F4s and the like, the F4 was designed to be a bomber, not a fighter, hence the reason why Top Gun was formed. They were eating us for lunch and we did not have a multipurpose aircraft like the F15/16.
About the only thing the Mig29 has an advantage of is low speed, nose down under 200 knots which can do that all the way to 100 knots so it lends well with support rolls. It is decent at CAS and dropping bombs and getting out of there ASAFP. Visibility is limited but if It is not in a dog fight then it is a good aircraft.
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Footage from a maternity hospital in Ukraine shows premature babies being treated in basements.Doctors say they have no heat, sporadic electricity and are running low on medical supplies. There are calls for a humanitarian corridor to evacuate the babies & their mothers @rtenews pic.twitter.com/BTMquTzAwC
— Aisling Kenny (@KennyAKE) March 5, 2022
Humanitarian aid is urgently needed to help the 80,000 babies that will be born in war-torn Ukraine in the next 3 months, say women's health experts
Tough to watch. Most of us know how much personnel is needed for a single baby, a lot of us have witnessed c-sections and other complications when our kids are born.Quote:
As the war wages in Ukraine with no end in sight and Russian forces indiscriminately bomb its cities and towns, the UN estimates that 80,000 women will give birth in Ukraine over the next three months.
Women are giving birth "in great shock," said Dr. Galyna Maistruk, a women's health and family planning doctor, who lives in Kyiv, but has now fled the embattled city to be with family.
Dr. Maistruk said: "We need supplies...not just sanctions. I know it is possible to transfer money, but sorry, we can't use this money because pharmacies are empty. "We need some very serious government from Europe to organize a system of shipping, logistics, and transfer of emergency kits, which include medications, equipment, and also food for the population."
She told Insider that prenatal centers are being bombed across the country, including Mariupol, Kharkiv, and Zhytomyr, The Independent reports.
"I can't imagine it, even in bad dreams," said Dr. Maistruk.
"The only difference is that labour that normally takes about 10, 15 hours starts and then there may be an air raid alert and the women need to move to the shelter."
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-80000-babies-will-be-born-in-next-3-month-urgent-call-for-aid-2022-3
ATX_AG_08 said:
Haha….
The Ukrainian ppls humor throughout this has been impressive.Mykolaiv governor Vitaliy Kim: “We’re getting prepared for yet another Russian assault. In particular, we have booked 50 buses to transport new POWs.”
— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) March 8, 2022
Lol! Gotta love 'em.
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I can't speak to whomever youre referring to, however it is no secret that Ukraine has a BSL-3 lab that receives funding from the US. in fact, the US also also funds similar facilities in Georgia, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan. The false flag is RU claiming the lab is creating bio weapons. I mean, c'com man....RebelE Infantry said:Ducks4brkfast said:This is not a criticism, however your pro-Russian bias is incredible.RebelE Infantry said:12th Man Stan Account said:DANGER!!!
— Marco Rubio (@marcorubio) March 8, 2022
This is how #Russia sets up false flags
If there is a biological weapons incident in #Ukraine be 100% certain its the Russians who did it pic.twitter.com/r5F0q0rUvr
****ing terroristsUS is working with Ukraine to prevent biological research facilities from falling into the hands of Russians — Nuland pic.twitter.com/onrqFclF9W
— Shehzad Younis (@shehzadyounis) March 8, 2022
False flag, he says?
Pointing out that our own administration may be lying to our faces, for the millionth time, is now pro-Russian?
Like a week ago the idea that the US had bio labs in Ukraine was dEbUnKeD as a "conspiracy theory." All I did was post a video of the Undersecretary of State of the United States saying that yes, we have bio labs in Ukraine that we don't want to fall into Russian hands. It's like no one learned a dang thing over the last 2 years.
Staff: I believe this is related to the overall strategic situation in Ukraine as this admission may have dramatic impacts on the calculus wrt escalation. If I am wrong then I apologize and please delete.
Staff: I believe this is related to the overall strategic situation in Ukraine as this serves as the basis by which further proves the point it is nearly impossible to separate fact from fiction lest you be an expert (me) in an area of biosafety labs and their various sources of funding research projects across the globe and how that might affect public perception and its appetite to further escalate or deescalate the situation wrt Russia.
Another nice entry
https://instagr.am/p/Ca2WTC7LejU
https://instagr.am/p/Ca2WTC7LejU
Next one is from a Ukrainian firefighter. The guts on these people...Quote:
"The first day of the invasion. Artillery was raining down on us, heavy machine gun fire from multiple directions. It didn't stop, it was terrifying.
The first dead body I saw in this conflict was a Ukrainian soldier, I found peace with it in a way. I knew why he gave his life. Civilians on the other hand, innocent lives, how can you kill civilians? Especially children, they had a whole life ahead of them and just like that they're gone.
My first enemy kill, he was 20/21 years old I guess. I went through his pockets, he had a family photo. I was wondering if he wanted to fight or if he was against the war. I'll never get the answer. In a different time we might've been good friends. After all the civilian deaths I have no remorse for them, no mercy, let us kill them all.
Do you want to live? Lay down your weapons and surrender. You'll be sent home, back to your family. If you stay you will die a brutal death. One by one, we will kill you all."
- Western Volunteer. Present in Ukraine since before the invasion. Invasion of Ukraine. March 7th, 2022.
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"I am not a soldier but I have seen more dead people than most. Burning people are horrible. More than one time I have pulled fingers or skin off pulling burnt people from rubbled buildings.
I fight fires as a volunteer. I was a paid member, but I left three years ago to go to university. Now I am back fighting fires. These f*ck's shoot their rockets and missiles at buildings and our work never stops.
Some (firefighters) wear bulletproof vests because they need to. We put out one fire and another building is struck and another fire starts. We are lucky. Most people are in shelters now and the buildings are empty. Still we must fight them." (The fires)
- Ukrainian Firefighter. Invasion of Ukraine. March 7th, 2022.
Virtually everything mentioned about fighter tactics on this page is nonsense
flakrat said:htownag10 said:Allegedly in some operational areas Russian army is out of any trucks and transports own soldiers as garbage - in dump trucks. A strong feeling of ISIS or Taliban. pic.twitter.com/jtT8biGmnC
— Sergej Sumlenny (@sumlenny) March 8, 2022
This images need to make it to the Russian public. What an embarrassment to the might bear army.
A couple of well placed tosses with a Molotov cocktail and you would have one hell of a barbecue Ukrainian style
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LMCane said:Again, delivering weapons to an opponent has been done numerous times in the battles between Soviets and Americans- but we have never come face to face and actually fired at each other.FireAg said:Makes me wonder if we are now playing our first real game of chicken...OKC~Ag said:
Poland transfers MiG fighters to the U.S....
and eventually to Ukraine
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/poland-transfers-mig-fighters-to-the-us-as-ukraine-asks-for-help/ar-AAUNgV1?li=BBnb7Kz
IF these stories are correct, and the US aides in the delivery of MiGs by way of Ramstein in Germany, then there really isn't much difference between that and the US formally announcing we are getting involved...it's all just semantics at that point...
IF these stories are correct, it would make me wonder if we have reason to believe that Vlad is too weak to really try to take on the West, even with the big firecrackers...
On the other hand, that's still a helluva a gamble...
that's a huge difference.
This is not true. Hundreds of soviets piloted North Korean jets and were credited with numerous US kills in Korea.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_in_the_Korean_War
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Not sure what Poland expected would happen with that announcement about the MiGs at Ramstein but DOD has said that's a non-starter. US would not accept nor would it approve Ukrainian pilots to come to Ramstein and fly them off of a NATO base to enter air space that is contested with Russia.
Dude is wrong over and over and over but is still a military expert
Video from near Balakliya from earlier today. 2/https://t.co/4xphinWT7k pic.twitter.com/osgaXgeYfG
— Rob Lee (@RALee85) March 8, 2022
Second video, watch until the end.
Holy hell!!
Back to Syria tactics i seeTeddy Perkins said:Video from near Balakliya from earlier today. 2/https://t.co/4xphinWT7k pic.twitter.com/osgaXgeYfG
— Rob Lee (@RALee85) March 8, 2022
Second video, watch until the end.
What are we seeing there? I see a tank round a corner and then loud noises and unstable images.
The tank shot them.
The tank firing into the house where the video is being shot or very nearby.Keegan99 said:
What are we seeing there? I see a tank round a corner and then loud noises and unstable images.
#Ukraine: Ukrainian forces captured a Russian T-72 Obr. 1989 today. Note the RPG-22. pic.twitter.com/Yx4VoLNZ86
— 🇺🇦 Ukraine Weapons Tracker (@UAWeapons) March 8, 2022
If you see a tank rumbling by, don't stand there in the window filming. The crew will fear that you're going to launch at anti-tank round at them and they'll try to shoot first.
BREAKING: Pentagon shoots down the idea of providing Polish MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine from a U.S. military base in Germany
— Jack Detsch (@JackDetsch) March 8, 2022
The move comes after Poland’s top diplo said it would fly MiGs to Germany for Ukraine to pick up. DoD said Poland’s solution is “not a tenable one” pic.twitter.com/fvIcOGyxTj
This is so weird. My best guess is that no one wants to be the last one holding the MiG29 shaped hot potato.
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