txags92 said:
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Bryan98 said:
TheCougarHunter said:
Should have shot back the minute the first Russian came across the border. Wtf are we waiting for? Every day that goes by the Russians get more entrenched, set up air defenses and kill more civilians
You knew to the thread? Russia has nukes. Putin is crazy. That's the answer, even if it stinks.
Some on here refuse to accept that reality.
I don't think it is that anybody refuses to accept that as a risk, but people are rightfully saying there has to be some limit to how weak you let that threat make you. Having a nuke can't simply be a limitless get out of jail free card for any nation that has them and has the broadest territorial ambitions. There has to be a point where simply the fact that a madman has access to nukes means it is worth fighting the madman and making him lose so that his own people take away his control over the nukes.
But there is a limit that seems to be completely ignored by some of you. That limit is being a NATO country + Sweden + Finland. That is the red line (so far) like it or not. Putin knows he can't touch those countries without getting the entire west involved and getting his ass kicked. It's ludicrous to think Putin is going to conventionally run roughshod wherever he wants to just because he invaded Ukraine.
Until he steps foot in a NATO country, the west is not going to give him any reason to use nukes while letting him ground to a halt and expend all his resources in non-NATO buffer states. We don't have to like that reality but that's the reality right now.
Could that stance change? Yes. But that's why we are doing what we are doing.