***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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In reply to TheCougarHunter • 10:40p, 3/3/22
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You don't know what he's going to do. He's having a heck of a time taking one country right now. Hopefully he stays out of Moldova, which is a softer target than Ukraine. He most likely will not attack a NATO country unless he's fully insane.

He doesn't appear to be totally rational, though. We don't want to back a rabid dog into a corner. I hate this, but this is the reality of the situation.
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10:44p, 3/3/22
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Mobilization in the east.

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In reply to TRM • 10:46p, 3/3/22
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TRM said:
Mobilization in the east.



Russias active military is over 1 million men. The couple hundred thousand they had committed for this offensive were no where close to 65% of their military…
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In reply to TheCougarHunter • 10:49p, 3/3/22
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TheCougarHunter said:
GAC06 said:
TheCougarHunter said:
Bryan98 said:
TheCougarHunter said:
Should have shot back the minute the first Russian came across the border. Wtf are we waiting for? Every day that goes by the Russians get more entrenched, set up air defenses and kill more civilians
You new to the thread? Russia has nukes. Putin is crazy. That's the answer, even if it stinks.


Which is a terrible answer. What happens when he invaded Poland


When he invades Poland he'll be crushed. Then maybe they'll be a nuclear war.

Aren't you a Marine?


He's not going to stop at Ukraine is what I'm saying so might as well take them out now. Strike every convoy and air defense system on Ukrainian soil.


I am rooting for Ukraine but the cold blooded pragmatic course of action is keep bleeding Russia there and wait. They won't have the army left to push on.
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In reply to aeroag14 • 10:49p, 3/3/22
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I didn't do the math. The point is troop movement.
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10:49p, 3/3/22
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In reply to TRM • 10:53p, 3/3/22
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TRM said:
Mobilization in the east.

This is much older equipment. Probably just staging up some of the old Far East stockpiles. I am not sure they are mobilizing entire units from over there. This would be like us busting out the old M-113s and M-60s to go fight.

Could be prudent. Might as well get some last use out of these old and tired frames. It would honestly probably be a net gain overall if they get popped in Ukraine. Minus the human life, which I doubt Putin factors at all. Or it could be desperation. I am high on the thought that Russia got exposed and is being dealt drastic damage but even I would be surprised if they HAVE to resort to this level of scraping the barrel already...

Could also be just occupational strength. Which given the prolific use of shoulder fired anti armor would mean a lot more dead Russians. Those old Zeus's in an urban fight though.....hate to be on the receiving end of that.
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In reply to GAC06 • 10:56p, 3/3/22
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People keep underestimating Russia. They are about to pulverize city by city until Ukraine surrenders. They aren't doing an American style occupation they leaves one vulnerable. NATO already walked back giving Ukraine jets. Which tells me they level of support we currently see is all they are going to get. Which sadly means possibly million or more Ukraine deaths.
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In reply to Yukon Cornelius • 11:00p, 3/3/22
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If anything we vastly overestimated Russia. They are a paper tiger with nukes.

We would brutalize them and it would be quick. If it stayed conventional.
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11:01p, 3/3/22
Re: starlink

Elon is getting free help from outside cybersecurity firms + gov. I would bet it stays up.

eta: also the "ethical hacker" folks are calling free game on russia
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11:02p, 3/3/22
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I'm hoping the 'no jets' thing is smoke and mirrors and that they're buying time to train pilots.
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11:02p, 3/3/22
Are all the live streams down?
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In reply to Yukon Cornelius • 11:05p, 3/3/22
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this goes back to the thread discussion of this morning...

at some point the cities in the Eastern half have to think long-term...and accept that the Russian army is going to win today...and maybe it can beaten tomorrow so to speak.

save as many civilians as possible
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In reply to Yukon Cornelius • 11:07p, 3/3/22
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Yukon Cornelius said:
People keep underestimating Russia. They are about to pulverize city by city until Ukraine surrenders. They aren't doing an American style occupation they leaves one vulnerable. NATO already walked back giving Ukraine jets. Which tells me they level of support we currently see is all they are going to get. Which sadly means possibly million or more Ukraine deaths.

Many thought that Russia would take Kyiv by Monday. Some on this thread thought it would be less than that. Some of us were cognizant of the fact that population centers would be bombarded and that civilian loss of life would be high. Anyone who has paid attention to Russian military operations would know what to expect.

If anything people overestimated the Russian war machine ability to conquer.
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11:09p, 3/3/22
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They'll eventually take it. But it will be costly to take it, costly to hold, and painful at home as russian life slides back toward the worst of the commie era. We've got to get Putin out from the inside, and he's providing that opportunity
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11:09p, 3/3/22
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This morning I found a tweet that said 16k foreign volunteers -3k Americans.

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11:12p, 3/3/22
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Video as a second source for that report I found of Russian general killed by a sniper. Again, take with a grain of salt but it is an interesting data point. I had just figured he died in one of the helos brought down during that day.
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In reply to TRM • 11:13p, 3/3/22
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TRM said:
This morning I found a tweet that said 16k foreign volunteers -3k Americans.

Does this mean anyone with an AR-15, or AR-10 can just fly over to Ukraine and start fighting like some kind of daredevil tourism excursion? This seems nuts to me and like you would get your life insurance policy cancelled immediately.
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In reply to McKinney Ag69 • 11:15p, 3/3/22
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No. You have to go to a Ukrainian Embassy and apply. They're only taking former military.
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In reply to McKinney Ag69 • 11:16p, 3/3/22
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Challenger 17 said:
TRM said:
This morning I found a tweet that said 16k foreign volunteers -3k Americans.

Does this mean anyone with an AR-15, or AR-10 can just fly over to Ukraine and start fighting like some kind of daredevil tourism excursion? This seems nuts to me and like you would get your life insurance policy cancelled immediately.


I think you probably get enlisted into the Ukrainian army in a special unit for foreign volunteers under Ukrainian leadership. And then either get sent to do some rear detachment duty or go die in a Russian artillery barrage.

I'm pretty sure they're not just going to turn these people loose on their own.
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In reply to McKinney Ag69 • 11:17p, 3/3/22
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Challenger 17 said:
TRM said:
This morning I found a tweet that said 16k foreign volunteers -3k Americans.

Does this mean anyone with an AR-15, or AR-10 can just fly over to Ukraine and start fighting like some kind of daredevil tourism excursion? This seems nuts to me and like you would get your life insurance policy cancelled immediately.
First off, they want people with combat experience. Did you read the article? Second, you don't just fly to a foreign country with a firearm. Third, why would one take a 5.56 or .308 (common AR chamberings) chambered rifle to part of the world where 7.62x39 is common?
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11:21p, 3/3/22
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Shannon Bream said there are reports it was Chechens at the nuclear power plant. Nothing confirmed though.
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11:46p, 3/3/22
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Map update
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In reply to YouBet • 11:54p, 3/3/22
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YouBet said:
Bryan98 said:
TheCougarHunter said:
Should have shot back the minute the first Russian came across the border. Wtf are we waiting for? Every day that goes by the Russians get more entrenched, set up air defenses and kill more civilians
You knew to the thread? Russia has nukes. Putin is crazy. That's the answer, even if it stinks.


Some on here refuse to accept that reality.
I don't think it is that anybody refuses to accept that as a risk, but people are rightfully saying there has to be some limit to how weak you let that threat make you. Having a nuke can't simply be a limitless get out of jail free card for any nation that has them and has the broadest territorial ambitions. There has to be a point where simply the fact that a madman has access to nukes means it is worth fighting the madman and making him lose so that his own people take away his control over the nukes.
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11:57p, 3/3/22
Is this the only live stream?

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12:06a, 3/4/22
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There is this one.

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NO AMNESTY!

in order for democrats, liberals, progressives et al to continue their illogical belief systems they have to pretend not to know a lot of things; by pretending "not to know" there is no guilt, no actual connection to conscience. Denial of truth allows easier trespass.
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12:10a, 3/4/22
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I've had friends and a couple family members ask how to know what's going on in Ukraine. I send them here to this thread. Thanks to everyone contributing their knowledge and educated opinions based on experience. Where else can you get info from military vets, current and former pilots, folks with combat experience, folks with weapons experience, historians, people that have lived in this part of the world, people that still have family over there, and even a couple freaking nuclear engineers all in the same place contributing. Well done TexAgs.
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In reply to fooz • 12:19a, 3/4/22
fooz said:
Is this the only live stream?

The building behind that tower/obelisk on the bottom right is an old hotel. Directly behind that hotel (out of sight) is the former KGB HQ in Kiev. The glass domes you see are actually windows to tunnels that are under the streets. Back in 2005, the tunnels were filled with small store fronts and kiosks with people selling stuff. The tunnels were all linked to the subway stations as well. You could walk from the camera to the hotel, underground. Also on the bottom right, down beneath the Camera on the right side used to be a McDonalds. It was THE place to go in '05. The line stretched through the plaza.

To the right-- if you follow that street down about 5 or 6 blocks there's a big round building with and open center in the middle that was a market. You could buy caviar there. Inside the building there were night clubs and restaurants. One of the Klitchko brothers had a restaurant/bar in there.
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In reply to Clob94 • 12:21a, 3/4/22
Clob94 said:
fooz said:
Is this the only live stream?

The building behind that tower/obelisk on the bottom right is an old hotel. Directly behind that hotel (out of sight) is the former KGB HQ in Kiev. The glass domes you see are actually windows to tunnels that are under the streets. Back in 2005, the tunnels were filled with small store fronts and kiosks with people selling stuff. The tunnels were all linked to the subway stations as well. You could walk from the camera to the hotel, underground. Also on the bottom right, down beneath the Camera on the right side used to be a McDonalds. It was THE place to go in '05. The line stretched through the plaza.

To the right-- if you follow that street down about 5 or 6 blocks there's a big round building with and open center in the middle that was a market. You could buy caviar there. Inside the building there were night clubs and restaurants. One of the Klitchko brothers had a restaurant/bar in there.


Wholly crap….now I understand the true threat to Putin. You just describe citizens enjoying a mostly free market system and citizens having a good time.

That has got to stop…..can you blame Putin?
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In reply to McKinney Ag69 • 12:26a, 3/4/22
Challenger 17 said:

Does this mean anyone with an AR-15, or AR-10 can just fly over to Ukraine and start fighting like some kind of daredevil tourism excursion? This seems nuts to me and like you would get your life insurance policy cancelled immediately.

Posted this earlier, but this should answer your question. You COULD go in on your own, but you'd still have to link up with someone inside the Ukraine.


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A SEAL TURNED CIA OFFICER'S ADVICE TO VETS VOLUNTEERING TO FIGHT FOR UKRAINE

Secondly, if you are determined to go, be professional, responsible, and realistic in your expectations. Follow the Ukrainian government's advice about how to officially register, and do not go there telling them where and how you want to participate in the fighting.

They will place you in whatever capacity they need you, and wherever they need you most. You are not Rambo, there to single-handedly slay Russians and post your selfies. You will be part of a military machine that is under extreme stress, and you need to seamlessly integrate into that system to be an effective part of it.

When you arrive in your assigned theatre of operations, either with an official Ukrainian escort, or after you have made your own way in, it is very important that you do what the Ukrainians need you to do, and fall under their operational control. If they need you to work supply lines, then do it. If they need you to help with combat medicine, then do it. If they need you to carry a Javelin and target Russian armor, then do it.

You will also need the contact to supply you with a weapon, preferably with whatever the Ukrainian forces are using. This is to both blend in and also to ensure adequate supplies of ammunition are available.

If it were me, I would want that weapon the moment I departed Lviv to head to the fighting, as well as a Ukrainian uniform. The key is to blend in and not draw attention to yourself from Russian forces.


https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/a-seal-turned-cia-officers-advice-to-vets-volunteering-to-fight-for-ukraine/
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12:32a, 3/4/22
https://hungarytoday.hu/george-soros-ukrainian-conflict-war-russia-ukraine/
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12:33a, 3/4/22
Soros and pretty much all media seem to agree.
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12:39a, 3/4/22
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Question military guys,,, it says we sent F35s to the EU along with some other planes F15s, F16s, etc…. My question is would we send any F22 raptors ? Or is the F35 our premier fighter jet?
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12:41a, 3/4/22
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Just carnage.
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In reply to jabberwalkie09 • 12:44a, 3/4/22
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Once you pop, the fun don't stop
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