I wondered this as well, some were criticizing not moving quickly enough. To me it seemed strategically timed, allowing European markets a couple of days to prepare, then dropping SWIFT early in the weekend causing Russian markets to panic while everyone continued ramping up the pressure.TheCougarHunter said:
Anyone think the SWIFT announcement was purposefully done over the weekend to stir up more panic? Or was it a blunder by NATO to allow the oligarchs more time to get their accounts in order?
I'm not super smart on this financial stuff so I'd like to know what you guys think about this.
Bigfoot Is Real said:
Is it possible that Putin will shake things up with his military leadership and get a 'better; plan together? I didn't know how to intelligently ask that with my lack of military knowledge.
Bigfoot Is Real said:
Is it possible that Putin will shake things up with his military leadership and get a 'better; plan together? I didn't know how to intelligently ask that with my lack of military knowledge.
This is some good stuff, the Ukraine people are starting to get some sleep knowing they are protected by their armed forces and the EU / NATO…TRM said:Another night ends in Kyiv. And Kyiv still stands. One of my reporters in the field: pic.twitter.com/S70vvIV5ht
— Michael Weiss 🌻 (@michaeldweiss) February 28, 2022
Just bringing this warning down into the current thread so those tempted to chat domestic politics can't claim they didn't see the OP.Eliminatus said:
We had to do this for Afghanistan too. This thread is for the actual facts, data, interpretations, fallouts and other such conversation about this new conflict.
Tired of the BS poo flinging derailing of the other thread. It's annoying to slog through to find actual updates.
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Recent failed Russian attack on #Kharkiv included “25th Sevastopol” brigade, which was completely annihilated. Their commander, Archipov, was also killed.#RussiaInvadedUkraine
— Walter Lekh🇺🇦 (@walterlekh) February 28, 2022
fooz said:
What's the latest live stream?
Mixed thoughts after a few days of fighting, in no special order:
— Henrik Paulsson (@henrikrpaulsson) February 27, 2022
1. A lot has been said by others, but one thing that strikes me is that maps are poorly updated, often being very hesitant in assigning territory to Russian forces. Can lead to unwittingly obscuring view ...
Cargo Shorts FTW said:
I was watching the rooftop live streams and was wondering why Kiev is lit up at night like any other non war day? Street lights, windows, headlights, etc. I thought the standard practice in war was to kill lights at night to not provide any attacker assistance, reference.
This an fu to RU troops? A sign of no real night threat from RU? Keeping the general population calm? myth? Just not what I expected to see.
Bigfoot Is Real said:
The Russian Bots are desperate. They just got #abolishNATO trending, but it's of course being mocked.
EX TEXASEX said:
I feel sorry for these poor *******s. Conscripts, you know they didn't want to be there. Hell, a few look
like they got their pubs this year !
wildmen09 said:EX TEXASEX said:
I feel sorry for these poor *******s. Conscripts, you know they didn't want to be there. Hell, a few look
like they got their pubs this year !
I actually believe them but the "no need to come here" is extremely scripted. Hard to tell if they're being "persuaded" to say that line. Clearly against our Code of Conduct, I would assume they have similar rules.
— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) February 28, 2022
I believe it does, but would be open to be corrected if it doesn't.WestTexAg12 said:wildmen09 said:EX TEXASEX said:
I feel sorry for these poor *******s. Conscripts, you know they didn't want to be there. Hell, a few look
like they got their pubs this year !
I actually believe them but the "no need to come here" is extremely scripted. Hard to tell if they're being "persuaded" to say that line. Clearly against our Code of Conduct, I would assume they have similar rules.
My thoughts exactly. They don't abide by anything like our Code of Conduct.
I've seen this multiple times… does the filming of Russian captives go against that Geneva Convention?
chickencoupe16 said:Cargo Shorts FTW said:
I was watching the rooftop live streams and was wondering why Kiev is lit up at night like any other non war day? Street lights, windows, headlights, etc. I thought the standard practice in war was to kill lights at night to not provide any attacker assistance, reference.
This an fu to RU troops? A sign of no real night threat from RU? Keeping the general population calm? myth? Just not what I expected to see.
Putin threatened our and NATO's satellites last week. I wonder if this really kicks off if that's a legit threat. Space Force anyone?
Lit up cities were a bigger issue when bomber pilots needed landmarks for navigation. GPS, GLONASS, and guided munitions don't care if the lights are on.
Talon2DSO said:wildmen09 said:JB!98 said:I have no idea the altitude of a normal drop. Someone on here knows for sure.Ulysses90 said:JB!98 said:I think its important that everyone understands that the stinger is only good to about 10,000 ft and its slant range depends on the altitude of the target. Good against helo's and low flying aircraft. No impact to aircraft at an operating altitude. Now you can probably smack a IL-76 during their drop run, but with a 2lb warhead I think you might need more than one hit to bring one down.ABATTBQ11 said:flakrat said:Or spread a bunch of stingers along the border!txags92 said:Would be nice to see those new EU migs setup on the Belarus border and smoke those paratroopers out of the sky within a few minutes of entering UK airspace.JobSecurity said:
This has been rumored all day but this is the biggest outlet to pick it upMultiple sources say the decision has been made — and as soon as on Feb. 28 at 5 a.m. local time, the first Ilyushin Il-76 transport aircraft is very likely to take off carrying Belarusian paratroopers to be deployed against Ukraine. https://t.co/o8WcszVJNR
— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) February 28, 2022
Don't have the range. Stinger is a short range missile. They could potentially get them on ascent or descent, but not cruising altitude.
From what altitude do paratroopers debark a aircraft using static lines? If the Ukrainians have some idea of the likely drop zones then they might very well be able to seed the area and likely approaches with stingers.
Perhaps a friendly AWACS flying over the Black Sea could send some info over Link 16 to a MiG 29 that would be able to easily intercept an IL-76.
Roughly 1200ft
Thats for training. In the ****, we would drop between 500 and 800 ft.
Agree. That is poor form.wildmen09 said:EX TEXASEX said:
I feel sorry for these poor *******s. Conscripts, you know they didn't want to be there. Hell, a few look
like they got their pubs this year !
I actually believe them but the "no need to come here" is extremely scripted. Hard to tell if they're being "persuaded" to say that line. Clearly against our Code of Conduct, I would assume they have similar rules.
aggiehawg said:Agree. That is poor form.wildmen09 said:EX TEXASEX said:
I feel sorry for these poor *******s. Conscripts, you know they didn't want to be there. Hell, a few look
like they got their pubs this year !
I actually believe them but the "no need to come here" is extremely scripted. Hard to tell if they're being "persuaded" to say that line. Clearly against our Code of Conduct, I would assume they have similar rules.
WestTexAg12 said:wildmen09 said:EX TEXASEX said:
I feel sorry for these poor *******s. Conscripts, you know they didn't want to be there. Hell, a few look
like they got their pubs this year !
I actually believe them but the "no need to come here" is extremely scripted. Hard to tell if they're being "persuaded" to say that line. Clearly against our Code of Conduct, I would assume they have similar rules.
My thoughts exactly. They don't abide by anything like our Code of Conduct.
I've seen this multiple times… does the filming of Russian captives go against that Geneva Convention?
Don't forget Monday is the first day of negotiations.TAMUallen said:Dilettante said:
How do we know Monday is a significant date?
The ruble crashes. Runs on Russian banks. It's when things start to crumble
Osint host just revealed that Ukraine aircraft are already in place (primarily in western Ukraine), and they are fueled up and fully armed. Difficult but not impossible to be directed by AWACS.TRM said:— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) February 28, 2022
The fact Ukraine is destroying air defense assets with UAVs still shocks me. https://t.co/b90zqN6gef
— The Intel Hub (@The_IntelHub) February 27, 2022
I wasn't complaining about. Yes, objectively I think it does violate GC, but I don't think the Russians have earned any such consideration with their actions.Irish 2.0 said:WestTexAg12 said:wildmen09 said:EX TEXASEX said:
I feel sorry for these poor *******s. Conscripts, you know they didn't want to be there. Hell, a few look
like they got their pubs this year !
I actually believe them but the "no need to come here" is extremely scripted. Hard to tell if they're being "persuaded" to say that line. Clearly against our Code of Conduct, I would assume they have similar rules.
My thoughts exactly. They don't abide by anything like our Code of Conduct.
I've seen this multiple times… does the filming of Russian captives go against that Geneva Convention?
****ing Russians just violated the Budapest Memorandum, Minsk Convention, and numerous other treaties/agreements. We're beyond observing the Geneva convention and any country adhering to them is ignorant. This is way. You use everything available to your strategic advantage.
The countries that play by the rules get skull ****ed. There are no rules in warfare. The Russians literally just authorized nukes into Belarus and y'all are concerned about guidelines in an 80 year old agreement?!
I'm sorry. My mind just isn't in WW3 mind set yet. Hope I am correct.TAMUallen said:aggiehawg said:Agree. That is poor form.wildmen09 said:EX TEXASEX said:
I feel sorry for these poor *******s. Conscripts, you know they didn't want to be there. Hell, a few look
like they got their pubs this year !
I actually believe them but the "no need to come here" is extremely scripted. Hard to tell if they're being "persuaded" to say that line. Clearly against our Code of Conduct, I would assume they have similar rules.
Unfortunately, there's a propaganda war that is just as important right now as anything. If Russian support for war on the Ukraine is as low as propaganda says then this is certainly the lesser of any evil
aggiehawg said:I'm sorry. My mind just isn't in WW3 mind set yet. Hope I am correct.TAMUallen said:aggiehawg said:Agree. That is poor form.wildmen09 said:EX TEXASEX said:
I feel sorry for these poor *******s. Conscripts, you know they didn't want to be there. Hell, a few look
like they got their pubs this year !
I actually believe them but the "no need to come here" is extremely scripted. Hard to tell if they're being "persuaded" to say that line. Clearly against our Code of Conduct, I would assume they have similar rules.
Unfortunately, there's a propaganda war that is just as important right now as anything. If Russian support for war on the Ukraine is as low as propaganda says then this is certainly the lesser of any evil