***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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When does the MOEX open?
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TheCougarHunter said:

Anyone think the SWIFT announcement was purposefully done over the weekend to stir up more panic? Or was it a blunder by NATO to allow the oligarchs more time to get their accounts in order?

I'm not super smart on this financial stuff so I'd like to know what you guys think about this.

I wondered this as well, some were criticizing not moving quickly enough. To me it seemed strategically timed, allowing European markets a couple of days to prepare, then dropping SWIFT early in the weekend causing Russian markets to panic while everyone continued ramping up the pressure.
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Bigfoot Is Real said:

Is it possible that Putin will shake things up with his military leadership and get a 'better; plan together? I didn't know how to intelligently ask that with my lack of military knowledge.


There is only so much that can be done once troops, armor, etc. are all already on the ground.

If the Russians send in bombers it may kick off true counter attacks by the west.
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I feel sorry for these poor *******s. Conscripts, you know they didn't want to be there. Hell, a few look
like they got their pubs this year !
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10AM Moscow. I think 2 hours or so.
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Bigfoot Is Real said:

Is it possible that Putin will shake things up with his military leadership and get a 'better; plan together? I didn't know how to intelligently ask that with my lack of military knowledge.


Yes, but these things don't turn on a dime. In WWII Russia could fire someone and start again. These days things happen much faster. New leadership won't change things significantly in the days necessary to change things for Russia
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TRM said:


This is some good stuff, the Ukraine people are starting to get some sleep knowing they are protected by their armed forces and the EU / NATO…
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I was watching the rooftop live streams and was wondering why Kiev is lit up at night like any other non war day? Street lights, windows, headlights, etc. I thought the standard practice in war was to kill lights at night to not provide any attacker assistance, reference.

This an fu to RU troops? A sign of no real night threat from RU? Keeping the general population calm? myth? Just not what I expected to see.

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Discussed earlier. All the utilities are owned by Russian companies.
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Eliminatus said:

We had to do this for Afghanistan too. This thread is for the actual facts, data, interpretations, fallouts and other such conversation about this new conflict.

Tired of the BS poo flinging derailing of the other thread. It's annoying to slog through to find actual updates.




Staff - Would you mind keeping a short leash on this thread please?

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Just bringing this warning down into the current thread so those tempted to chat domestic politics can't claim they didn't see the OP.
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What's the latest live stream?
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Haven't seen anything else yet.
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TAMUAllen posted a good one on page 127.
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fooz said:

What's the latest live stream?


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Pretty good thread here

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The Russian Bots are desperate. They just got #abolishNATO trending, but it's of course being mocked.
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Cargo Shorts FTW said:

I was watching the rooftop live streams and was wondering why Kiev is lit up at night like any other non war day? Street lights, windows, headlights, etc. I thought the standard practice in war was to kill lights at night to not provide any attacker assistance, reference.

This an fu to RU troops? A sign of no real night threat from RU? Keeping the general population calm? myth? Just not what I expected to see.




Lit up cities were a bigger issue when bomber pilots needed landmarks for navigation. GPS, GLONASS, and guided munitions don't care if the lights are on.
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Bigfoot Is Real said:

The Russian Bots are desperate. They just got #abolishNATO trending, but it's of course being mocked.
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EX TEXASEX said:

I feel sorry for these poor *******s. Conscripts, you know they didn't want to be there. Hell, a few look
like they got their pubs this year !



I actually believe them but the "no need to come here" is extremely scripted. Hard to tell if they're being "persuaded" to say that line. Clearly against our Code of Conduct, I would assume they have similar rules.
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wildmen09 said:

EX TEXASEX said:

I feel sorry for these poor *******s. Conscripts, you know they didn't want to be there. Hell, a few look
like they got their pubs this year !



I actually believe them but the "no need to come here" is extremely scripted. Hard to tell if they're being "persuaded" to say that line. Clearly against our Code of Conduct, I would assume they have similar rules.

My thoughts exactly. They don't abide by anything like our Code of Conduct.

I've seen this multiple times… does the filming of Russian captives go against that Geneva Convention?
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WestTexAg12 said:

wildmen09 said:

EX TEXASEX said:

I feel sorry for these poor *******s. Conscripts, you know they didn't want to be there. Hell, a few look
like they got their pubs this year !



I actually believe them but the "no need to come here" is extremely scripted. Hard to tell if they're being "persuaded" to say that line. Clearly against our Code of Conduct, I would assume they have similar rules.

My thoughts exactly. They don't abide by anything like our Code of Conduct.

I've seen this multiple times… does the filming of Russian captives go against that Geneva Convention?
I believe it does, but would be open to be corrected if it doesn't.
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chickencoupe16 said:

Cargo Shorts FTW said:

I was watching the rooftop live streams and was wondering why Kiev is lit up at night like any other non war day? Street lights, windows, headlights, etc. I thought the standard practice in war was to kill lights at night to not provide any attacker assistance, reference.

This an fu to RU troops? A sign of no real night threat from RU? Keeping the general population calm? myth? Just not what I expected to see.




Putin threatened our and NATO's satellites last week. I wonder if this really kicks off if that's a legit threat. Space Force anyone?

Lit up cities were a bigger issue when bomber pilots needed landmarks for navigation. GPS, GLONASS, and guided munitions don't care if the lights are on.
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Talon2DSO said:

wildmen09 said:

JB!98 said:

Ulysses90 said:

JB!98 said:

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flakrat said:

txags92 said:

JobSecurity said:

This has been rumored all day but this is the biggest outlet to pick it up


Would be nice to see those new EU migs setup on the Belarus border and smoke those paratroopers out of the sky within a few minutes of entering UK airspace.
Or spread a bunch of stingers along the border!


Don't have the range. Stinger is a short range missile. They could potentially get them on ascent or descent, but not cruising altitude.
I think its important that everyone understands that the stinger is only good to about 10,000 ft and its slant range depends on the altitude of the target. Good against helo's and low flying aircraft. No impact to aircraft at an operating altitude. Now you can probably smack a IL-76 during their drop run, but with a 2lb warhead I think you might need more than one hit to bring one down.

From what altitude do paratroopers debark a aircraft using static lines? If the Ukrainians have some idea of the likely drop zones then they might very well be able to seed the area and likely approaches with stingers.

Perhaps a friendly AWACS flying over the Black Sea could send some info over Link 16 to a MiG 29 that would be able to easily intercept an IL-76.
I have no idea the altitude of a normal drop. Someone on here knows for sure.


Roughly 1200ft


Thats for training. In the ****, we would drop between 500 and 800 ft.


Hard to say accurately without knowing Belarusian doctrine.

Their acceptance of off DZ jumpers or less mass on DZ could drive a higher altitude.

We drop low to keep jumpers massed and lower the effect of wind.

We can drop below 500 in my world but typically drop from a little higher.
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wildmen09 said:

EX TEXASEX said:

I feel sorry for these poor *******s. Conscripts, you know they didn't want to be there. Hell, a few look
like they got their pubs this year !



I actually believe them but the "no need to come here" is extremely scripted. Hard to tell if they're being "persuaded" to say that line. Clearly against our Code of Conduct, I would assume they have similar rules.
Agree. That is poor form.
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aggiehawg said:

wildmen09 said:

EX TEXASEX said:

I feel sorry for these poor *******s. Conscripts, you know they didn't want to be there. Hell, a few look
like they got their pubs this year !



I actually believe them but the "no need to come here" is extremely scripted. Hard to tell if they're being "persuaded" to say that line. Clearly against our Code of Conduct, I would assume they have similar rules.
Agree. That is poor form.


Unfortunately, there's a propaganda war that is just as important right now as anything. If Russian support for war on the Ukraine is as low as propaganda says then this is certainly the lesser of any evil
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WestTexAg12 said:

wildmen09 said:

EX TEXASEX said:

I feel sorry for these poor *******s. Conscripts, you know they didn't want to be there. Hell, a few look
like they got their pubs this year !



I actually believe them but the "no need to come here" is extremely scripted. Hard to tell if they're being "persuaded" to say that line. Clearly against our Code of Conduct, I would assume they have similar rules.

My thoughts exactly. They don't abide by anything like our Code of Conduct.

I've seen this multiple times… does the filming of Russian captives go against that Geneva Convention?


****ing Russians just violated the Budapest Memorandum, Minsk Convention, and numerous other treaties/agreements. We're beyond observing the Geneva convention and any country adhering to them is ignorant. This is the way. You use everything available to your strategic advantage.

The countries that play by the rules get skull ****ed. There are no rules in warfare. The Russians literally just authorized nukes into Belarus and y'all are concerned about guidelines in an 80 year old agreement?!
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TAMUallen said:

Dilettante said:

How do we know Monday is a significant date?


The ruble crashes. Runs on Russian banks. It's when things start to crumble
Don't forget Monday is the first day of negotiations.
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TRM said:


Osint host just revealed that Ukraine aircraft are already in place (primarily in western Ukraine), and they are fueled up and fully armed. Difficult but not impossible to be directed by AWACS.
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Irish 2.0 said:

WestTexAg12 said:

wildmen09 said:

EX TEXASEX said:

I feel sorry for these poor *******s. Conscripts, you know they didn't want to be there. Hell, a few look
like they got their pubs this year !



I actually believe them but the "no need to come here" is extremely scripted. Hard to tell if they're being "persuaded" to say that line. Clearly against our Code of Conduct, I would assume they have similar rules.

My thoughts exactly. They don't abide by anything like our Code of Conduct.

I've seen this multiple times… does the filming of Russian captives go against that Geneva Convention?


****ing Russians just violated the Budapest Memorandum, Minsk Convention, and numerous other treaties/agreements. We're beyond observing the Geneva convention and any country adhering to them is ignorant. This is way. You use everything available to your strategic advantage.

The countries that play by the rules get skull ****ed. There are no rules in warfare. The Russians literally just authorized nukes into Belarus and y'all are concerned about guidelines in an 80 year old agreement?!
I wasn't complaining about. Yes, objectively I think it does violate GC, but I don't think the Russians have earned any such consideration with their actions.
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TAMUallen said:

aggiehawg said:

wildmen09 said:

EX TEXASEX said:

I feel sorry for these poor *******s. Conscripts, you know they didn't want to be there. Hell, a few look
like they got their pubs this year !



I actually believe them but the "no need to come here" is extremely scripted. Hard to tell if they're being "persuaded" to say that line. Clearly against our Code of Conduct, I would assume they have similar rules.
Agree. That is poor form.


Unfortunately, there's a propaganda war that is just as important right now as anything. If Russian support for war on the Ukraine is as low as propaganda says then this is certainly the lesser of any evil
I'm sorry. My mind just isn't in WW3 mind set yet. Hope I am correct.
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How does Russia station the rest of their forces?

Wiki says they have 1.2m. 200k are in or near Ukraine. They backstopping now that they've sent in 2/3 of the envision force?
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/27/two-top-russian-billionaires-speak-out-against-invasion-of-ukraine?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Oligarchs moaning.
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aggiehawg said:

TAMUallen said:

aggiehawg said:

wildmen09 said:

EX TEXASEX said:

I feel sorry for these poor *******s. Conscripts, you know they didn't want to be there. Hell, a few look
like they got their pubs this year !



I actually believe them but the "no need to come here" is extremely scripted. Hard to tell if they're being "persuaded" to say that line. Clearly against our Code of Conduct, I would assume they have similar rules.
Agree. That is poor form.


Unfortunately, there's a propaganda war that is just as important right now as anything. If Russian support for war on the Ukraine is as low as propaganda says then this is certainly the lesser of any evil
I'm sorry. My mind just isn't in WW3 mind set yet. Hope I am correct.


Worse than WW3 is the use of nukes that's being dangled in front of us again. Cold War on repeat but in a more desperate manner that's even more unstable and unpredictable
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