***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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Rapier108
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In reply to El Hombre Mas Guapo • 2:41p, 2/25/22
El Hombre Mas Guapo said:
And like one cop car as the forward escort?

A Ukraineian commuting home in Moscow could drive his truck right into the ICBM vehicle and create a bit of a mess I would assume
Might be an empty launcher.
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In reply to Rapier108 • 2:41p, 2/25/22
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Oh I am aware of the blast yields available.

My point is, people referencing any kind of nuclear weapons launch need to understand this wouldn't be something the likes of 1945. It would be exponentially more catastrophic.

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In reply to Jock 07 • 2:42p, 2/25/22
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Jock 07 said:
agmag90 said:
There's no way they're bringing nukes in, right?

No, tactical nukes would be much more believable in this situation.


Any nuclear weapon usage, tactical or otherwise would mean total isolation for Russia. Even China would be forced to cut off relations with them.
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In reply to Rapier108 • 2:42p, 2/25/22
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Okay, I can get on board w that. Drive it around downtown to smoke out rebels who try to do something about it
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In reply to SPSAg05 • 2:43p, 2/25/22
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Honeypot. Don't fall for it.
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In reply to Rapier108 • 2:43p, 2/25/22
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Rapier108 said:
The Topol-M is a road mobile ICBM. They do not sit around and just collect dust. The Russians move them around on a regular basis in order to make it harder to target them.

Also, they do not need to move the Topol-M anywhere in order to use it. The missile has enough range to hit anywhere they want, from where ever it is currently parked.

Lastly, they would not be using a ICBM against Ukraine. They would use an aircraft delivered bomb or a nuclear armed cruise missile of which they have multiple different types.

This. They had their strategic drills last week and move these regularly. This is Vlad flexin his nuts after NATO's announcement today imo.
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In reply to El Hombre Mas Guapo • 2:45p, 2/25/22
El Hombre Mas Guapo said:
Okay, I can get on board w that. Drive it around downtown to smoke out rebels who try to do something about it
Probably not even that. It's in Moscow so probably either it is a new launcher, or one just out of heavy maintenance, on its way to its base, where it will be loaded with a missile, or perhaps it is one that doesn't ever carry a missile, but is used for training.
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In reply to Nitro Power • 2:45p, 2/25/22
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Nitro Power said:
Let's put some things in perspective

"Fat Man" was dropped on Nagasaki had a blast yield of 21 kT...the TOPOL-M carries a nuclear warhead that is 500 kT

I don't think I need to explain further why I am 100% certain there will be no nuclear weapons used


This. You use a nuke of any kind and you're going to die. Putin would be a idiot to try to deploy those offensively, and I think any Russian general would refuse to do that. They'd sign their own death warrant along with their kids', friends', wives', etc. They would need to be suicidal.
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In reply to rgag12 • 2:46p, 2/25/22
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rgag12 said:
Jock 07 said:
agmag90 said:
There's no way they're bringing nukes in, right?

No, tactical nukes would be much more believable in this situation.


Any nuclear weapon usage, tactical or otherwise would mean total isolation for Russia. Even China would be forced to cut off relations with them.


Absolutely. I'm just saying vlad is insane and I could see him going with a limited strike option. Mostl likely not but wouldn't put it at 0%
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In reply to htownag10 • 2:46p, 2/25/22
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htownag10 said:
And what you're saying makes sense to any logical person. I 100% agree with you. What I'm saying is look at who we are dealing with. Putin doesn't get told no by his own people. If he thinks Finland is a threat it becomes a comparable scenario. Non-nato country on his board that might join NATO. He's already shown how he handles that.
As Sting once said, "the Russians love their children too." Do you believe Putin is suicidal? Because that's what attacking Finland would lead to.
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In reply to Rapier108 • 2:47p, 2/25/22
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Rapier108 said:
El Hombre Mas Guapo said:
Okay, I can get on board w that. Drive it around downtown to smoke out rebels who try to do something about it
Probably not even that. It's in Moscow so probably either it is a new launcher, or one just out of heavy maintenance, on its way to its base, where it will be loaded with a missile, or perhaps it is one that doesn't ever carry a missile, but is used for training.
Another video out there shows a convoy of at least three launchers. (Cover) Story being circulated is that they're in Moscow to take part in a military parade.
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2:51p, 2/25/22
I hope this wasn't covered earlier in the thread & I missed it, If so I apologize.

But Ukraine is asking for the US to help initiate a no fly zone. Do any of you guy's now the process in how that's done?
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In reply to ECONAG92 • 2:52p, 2/25/22
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It's not on the table.
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2:52p, 2/25/22
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Fox just interviewed a professor from his bomb shelter telling a story about how Russian paratroopers got lost in the neighborhood and were captured by the local people at gunpoint. And how other paratroopers were shot out of the sky by civilians.
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In reply to RangerRick9211 • 2:54p, 2/25/22
Thanks RR. But what would this require?

I assume it would fully immerse us in this mess?
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In reply to FincAg • 2:54p, 2/25/22
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Fox just interviewed a professor from his bomb shelter telling a story about how Russian paratroopers got lost in the neighborhood and were captured by the local people at gunpoint. And how other paratroopers were shot out of the sky by civilians.

Bona fide military targets
**** Joe Biden
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In reply to Mac94 • 2:54p, 2/25/22
Mac94 said:
Rapier108 said:
El Hombre Mas Guapo said:
Okay, I can get on board w that. Drive it around downtown to smoke out rebels who try to do something about it
Probably not even that. It's in Moscow so probably either it is a new launcher, or one just out of heavy maintenance, on its way to its base, where it will be loaded with a missile, or perhaps it is one that doesn't ever carry a missile, but is used for training.
Another video out there shows a convoy of at least three launchers. (Cover) Story being circulated is that they're in Moscow to take part in a military parade.
Quite likely to be true. Moving missiles into Moscow, in order to use them, is not something Ivan is going to do.

The Russians love showing off their big toys during their parades and ICBM launchers always are front and center.
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2:55p, 2/25/22
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Now that we are seeing some of the main bridges being blown up, I'm wondering if that was part of the plan? Let a certain amount of the Russians past a certain point without a lot resistance and once that percentages of men and materials passes those points that the Ukrainians think they can handle, they blow the bridges trapping them on that side of the rivers. Allows the Ukrainians to finish off those assets and draw things out that much longer?
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In reply to Ag97 • 2:58p, 2/25/22
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Ag97 said:
Now that we are seeing some of the main bridges being blown up, I'm wondering if that was part of the plan? Let a certain amount of the Russians past a certain point without a lot resistance and once that percentages of men and materials passes those points that the Ukrainians think they can handle, they blow the bridges trapping them on that side of the rivers. Allows the Ukrainians to finish off those assets and draw things out that much longer?
That would be the first chess move I've seen yet.
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2:59p, 2/25/22
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Faux Pelini FTW
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In reply to Ducks4brkfast • 3:00p, 2/25/22
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Ducks4brkfast said:
Ag97 said:
Now that we are seeing some of the main bridges being blown up, I'm wondering if that was part of the plan? Let a certain amount of the Russians past a certain point without a lot resistance and once that percentages of men and materials passes those points that the Ukrainians think they can handle, they blow the bridges trapping them on that side of the rivers. Allows the Ukrainians to finish off those assets and draw things out that much longer?
That would be the first chess move I've seen yet.
I seriously doubt it. Also, i've seen a lot of pontoon bridges in the Russian formations. It's not going to slow them down much - not much more than their own inability to move quickly
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In reply to deddog • 3:01p, 2/25/22
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deddog said:
Ducks4brkfast said:
Ag97 said:
Now that we are seeing some of the main bridges being blown up, I'm wondering if that was part of the plan? Let a certain amount of the Russians past a certain point without a lot resistance and once that percentages of men and materials passes those points that the Ukrainians think they can handle, they blow the bridges trapping them on that side of the rivers. Allows the Ukrainians to finish off those assets and draw things out that much longer?
That would be the first chess move I've seen yet.
I seriously doubt it. Also, i've seen a lot of pontoon bridges in the Russian formations. It's not going to slow them down much - not much more than their own inability to move quickly
I seriously doubt it as well.
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3:03p, 2/25/22
Ukrainians embodying this at the moment.

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In reply to Rapier108 • 3:06p, 2/25/22
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El Hombre Mas Guapo said:
Okay, I can get on board w that. Drive it around downtown to smoke out rebels who try to do something about it
Probably not even that. It's in Moscow so probably either it is a new launcher, or one just out of heavy maintenance, on its way to its base, where it will be loaded with a missile, or perhaps it is one that doesn't ever carry a missile, but is used for training.

I doubt that- on any other day perhaps.

but today- Putin is deliberately moving them around Moscow so that the NATO watchers report it back to their commanders and leadership and it makes the media news
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3:08p, 2/25/22
Adding this for any new folks. OSINT Twitter Space live stream.

https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1DXxyDoprenJM
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3:12p, 2/25/22
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3:12p, 2/25/22
AG


More MANPADs can't get to Kyiv probably fast enough for this.
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3:13p, 2/25/22
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In reply to El Hombre Mas Guapo • 3:14p, 2/25/22
El Hombre Mas Guapo said:
And like one cop car as the forward escort?

A Ukraineian commuting home in Moscow could drive his truck right into the ICBM vehicle and create a bit of a mess I would assume
A couple of RPGs
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In reply to 74OA • 3:15p, 2/25/22
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Guaranteed that guy was in the Soviet army at one point. I'm sure a lot of this is stoking the distaste for the Soviet era of their history.
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3:16p, 2/25/22
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In reply to Rossticus • 3:16p, 2/25/22
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Rossticus said:

Let's call their bluff and see what happens…

Add them to NATO…then let Vlad make the next move…

Does Vlad have the stones to take on all of NATO?
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In reply to Irish 2.0 • 3:17p, 2/25/22
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SPSAg05 said:
Gonna sign all of those ****ers up for Cat Facts!!
And Farmersonly.com
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3:18p, 2/25/22
BULGARIA JUST CLOSED THEIR AIRSPACE TO RUSSIA!!!
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