Anyone know the percentage of armed civilians? We have reports of maybe 20K+ rifles being handed out, but even that is pretty telling. We may not see large scale fighting because there isn't much to fight with. They aren't letting the militia use the anti-armor stuff. Most barely know how to handle the rifles.

Ukraine is saying fight to the last but definitely looks like most are just holing up and waiting. With exceptions of course.

Urban fighting is the perfect equalizer to armor but only if the populace has the will and the means, and I am still doubting both of those on a macro scale. (From what I have seen on my screen)

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Large column of Russian forces, including Buk anti-aircraft missile system, passing through a village near Sumy #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/KjWHvYD5tO

— Michael A. Horowitz (@michaelh992) February 25, 2022

That's a lot of BUK systems.

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Looks like 1 MT-LBV (Infantry Transport), 1 Acquisition Radar unit, 1 Reloading vehicle, 1 Command vehicle, 5-6 Tractor Erector Launchers (They have intergrated radars on top but can link to a larger radar unit).
They aren't the Buk M3, those have enclosed disposable missile tubes for storage.

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seems like pretty soft target without any infantry protection, where are the javilines or anti tank weapons?

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Hell. Where are the IED's? Why are these a holes driving around without a worry in the world?

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Welcome to the party. So that's three of us all seeing the exact same thing from a military perspective-

the Russkies are driving soft skinned vehicles right down a road as if on a parade for May Day in Moscow.

and there is not even a platoon of defenders anywhere to fire mortars or RPGs or machine guns at them.

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Could this be because the Ukrainians are effectively beaten and are consolidating for a smaller defense?

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That tweet says they are in a small village near Sumy...which is right on the border. It would appear Ukraine isn't able to have forces out that far right now? focused on things closer to Kiev?

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Large column of Russian forces, including Buk anti-aircraft missile system, passing through a village near Sumy #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/KjWHvYD5tO

— Michael A. Horowitz (@michaelh992) February 25, 2022

That's a lot of BUK systems.

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Looks like 1 MT-LBV (Infantry Transport), 1 Acquisition Radar unit, 1 Reloading vehicle, 1 Command vehicle, 5-6 Tractor Erector Launchers (They have intergrated radars on top but can link to a larger radar unit).
They aren't the Buk M3, those have enclosed disposable missile tubes for storage.

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seems like pretty soft target without any infantry protection, where are the javilines or anti tank weapons?

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Hell. Where are the IED's? Why are these a holes driving around without a worry in the world?

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Welcome to the party. So that's three of us all seeing the exact same thing from a military perspective-

the Russkies are driving soft skinned vehicles right down a road as if on a parade for May Day in Moscow.

and there is not even a platoon of defenders anywhere to fire mortars or RPGs or machine guns at them.

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Could this be because the Ukrainians are effectively beaten and are consolidating for a smaller defense?

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The tweet says near Sumy. Last I read they were fighting in the city itself. I'm not sure if it had fallen. I do remember seeing Sumy on fire last night on CNN though.

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Meanwhile, instead of helping US civvies who decided to not leave, US Embassy in Kiev is trolling Russia

pic.twitter.com/3KGLl7MYFc

— U.S. Embassy Kyiv (@USEmbassyKyiv) February 22, 2022

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That tweet is from 2/22/2022.....

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Large column of Russian forces, including Buk anti-aircraft missile system, passing through a village near Sumy #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/KjWHvYD5tO

— Michael A. Horowitz (@michaelh992) February 25, 2022

That's a lot of BUK systems.

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Looks like 1 MT-LBV (Infantry Transport), 1 Acquisition Radar unit, 1 Reloading vehicle, 1 Command vehicle, 5-6 Tractor Erector Launchers (They have intergrated radars on top but can link to a larger radar unit).
They aren't the Buk M3, those have enclosed disposable missile tubes for storage.

[The warning that we put in the OP will be in effect as of this post. - Staff]

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seems like pretty soft target without any infantry protection, where are the javilines or anti tank weapons?

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Hell. Where are the IED's? Why are these a holes driving around without a worry in the world?

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Welcome to the party. So that's three of us all seeing the exact same thing from a military perspective-

the Russkies are driving soft skinned vehicles right down a road as if on a parade for May Day in Moscow.

and there is not even a platoon of defenders anywhere to fire mortars or RPGs or machine guns at them.

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Could this be because the Ukrainians are effectively beaten and are consolidating for a smaller defense?

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That tweet says they are in a small village near Sumy...which is right on the border. It would appear Ukraine isn't able to have forces out that far right now? focused on things closer to Kiev?

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I don't think anyone here has a clear picture of Uke order of battle right now, but they are definitely committed just about everywhere. The fighting north of Kiev and to the south in Kherson seems to be the stiffest resistance by far.

I wonder how coordinated they are really.

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Large column of Russian forces, including Buk anti-aircraft missile system, passing through a village near Sumy #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/KjWHvYD5tO

— Michael A. Horowitz (@michaelh992) February 25, 2022

That's a lot of BUK systems.

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Looks like 1 MT-LBV (Infantry Transport), 1 Acquisition Radar unit, 1 Reloading vehicle, 1 Command vehicle, 5-6 Tractor Erector Launchers (They have intergrated radars on top but can link to a larger radar unit).
They aren't the Buk M3, those have enclosed disposable missile tubes for storage.

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ONE tank could have shot up that entire column!

they don't even have light armaments to defend themselves and no accompanying infantry for the first 12 vehicles!

even an RPG would have set on the fire the crew cabin.

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Perhaps the tanks and APCs had already passed by. That's one problem with short video clips like that; they don't tell anywhere close to the whole picture.

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Buk unit systems are theater (edit: Army Group tier) level weapons analogous to PATRIOT and Hawk Pip IIIs, so likely not at the frontline and probably much further back, unless the Russians likely living dangerously OR are giving a big "Leave us alone" sign to NATO.

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How did the Ukrainians fair overnight? I've seen few reports that Kyiv is expected to fall relatively soon.

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quick answer: Not well

I have seen video of Russian soldiers walking around in the outer Kyiv suburbs.

so the Ukes are close enough to video record them on their phones- but no one is actually shooting at them.

I have seen Russian BMP driving right down a street in a Kyiv suburb surrounded by High rise apartment buildings with hundreds of windows.

and not a shot.

That's dumb and shows how ineffective our response has been.

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Meanwhile, instead of helping US civvies who decided to not leave, US Embassy in Kiev is trolling Russia

pic.twitter.com/3KGLl7MYFc

— U.S. Embassy Kyiv (@USEmbassyKyiv) February 22, 2022

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That tweet is from 2/22/2022.....

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Oops. Sorry.
Point still stands...

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Large column of Russian forces, including Buk anti-aircraft missile system, passing through a village near Sumy #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/KjWHvYD5tO

— Michael A. Horowitz (@michaelh992) February 25, 2022

That's a lot of BUK systems.

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Looks like 1 MT-LBV (Infantry Transport), 1 Acquisition Radar unit, 1 Reloading vehicle, 1 Command vehicle, 5-6 Tractor Erector Launchers (They have intergrated radars on top but can link to a larger radar unit).
They aren't the Buk M3, those have enclosed disposable missile tubes for storage.

[The warning that we put in the OP will be in effect as of this post. - Staff]

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ONE tank could have shot up that entire column!

they don't even have light armaments to defend themselves and no accompanying infantry for the first 12 vehicles!

even an RPG would have set on the fire the crew cabin.

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Perhaps the tanks and APCs had already passed by. That's one problem with short video clips like that; they don't tell anywhere close to the whole picture.

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Buk unit systems are theater (edit: Army Group tier) level weapons analogous to PATRIOT and Hawk Pip IIIs, so likely not at the frontline and probably much further back, unless the Russians likely living dangerously OR are giving a big "Leave us alone" sign to NATO.

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of course that is what happened- but the point is there are Ukrainian MEN shooting those videos because you can hear them talking in the background. there are literally tens of thousands of Ukes living along the roads as those soft skinned Russian vehicles drive along in a nice parade.

if one was a serious country- you would have had thousands of hunter killer squads sitting in houses along the major roadways JUST WAITING for this type of target to come trundling along.

Iraqi insurgents would target our MRAPS and Humvees for years along Route Irish or any axis of supply.

What's the point, it's dumb?

The bottom pictures could be a swamp and labeled Washington DC.

I'm still anxiously waiting to hear the outcome of today's NATO meeting.

Read below for an update from Defence Intelligence: pic.twitter.com/blwf1hv0bq

— Ministry of Defence 🇬🇧 (@DefenceHQ) February 25, 2022

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seems like the NATO plan now should be to get in as much small arms and guerilla warfare gear as possible.

small arms, c4, hand held rockets, etc.

I'm sure NATO will send in Global Warming experts to make sure this war isn't exceeding co2 admissions.

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how is NATO going to do that? even if Biden allowed it.

the Russkies are going to control all the airports and the border crossings in another day.

so how are they going to create the "rat lines" that the jihadis used against us?

If the Ukes can't fight for two days when they have real Javelins and equipment and are members under the Geneva Convention,

why would they fight when if they are captured they will be shot or hung as terrorists after the surrender?

Senior US defense official says Russian amphibious assault underway on Sea of Azov, to the west of Mariupol. "Indications are right now that the that they are putting potentially thousands of naval infantry ashore there."

— Joe Gould (@reporterjoe) February 25, 2022

Have there been any reports of Russia using drones?

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Have there been any reports of Russia using drones?

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Not that I've seen. I saw something about a Ukrainian suicide drone on a Russian tank though.

That's....interesting. did they need another front opened up?

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Large column of Russian forces, including Buk anti-aircraft missile system, passing through a village near Sumy #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/KjWHvYD5tO

— Michael A. Horowitz (@michaelh992) February 25, 2022

That's a lot of BUK systems.

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Looks like 1 MT-LBV (Infantry Transport), 1 Acquisition Radar unit, 1 Reloading vehicle, 1 Command vehicle, 5-6 Tractor Erector Launchers (They have intergrated radars on top but can link to a larger radar unit).
They aren't the Buk M3, those have enclosed disposable missile tubes for storage.

[The warning that we put in the OP will be in effect as of this post. - Staff]

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seems like pretty soft target without any infantry protection, where are the javilines or anti tank weapons?

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Hell. Where are the IED's? Why are these a holes driving around without a worry in the world?

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Welcome to the party. So that's three of us all seeing the exact same thing from a military perspective-

the Russkies are driving soft skinned vehicles right down a road as if on a parade for May Day in Moscow.

and there is not even a platoon of defenders anywhere to fire mortars or RPGs or machine guns at them.

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Could this be because the Ukrainians are effectively beaten and are consolidating for a smaller defense?

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That tweet says they are in a small village near Sumy...which is right on the border. It would appear Ukraine isn't able to have forces out that far right now? focused on things closer to Kiev?

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I don't think anyone here has a clear picture of Uke order of battle right now, but they are definitely committed just about everywhere. The fighting north of Kiev and to the south in Kherson seems to be the stiffest resistance by far.

I wonder how coordinated they are really.

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the Finns in 1940 deliberately left men way in the rear of the enemy, hiding out for the enemy soviets to pass. then would attack from behind and shoot up entire columns, snipe at them, real types of sabotage from well trained scouts.

the Ukes had 8 years to prepare for this. not only looking at old history- just look at Afghanistan and Iraq and how our enemies attacked us from small villages and along the roadways.

they could have blocked the roads with felled trees, blown all the bridges, set up ambushes around every bend, placed IED in the roadways. at least that would take hours to clear every few miles.

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seems like the NATO plan now should be to get in as much small arms and guerilla warfare gear as possible.

small arms, c4, hand held rockets, etc.

I'm sure NATO will send in Global Warming experts to make sure this war isn't exceeding co2 admissions.

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I'm thinking NATO is going to make some statements, say they're going to reposition personnel, and make arrangements for Ukrainian refugees. It's much too late to have an effect on supplying arms for Kyiv and the eastern half of the country imo.

Keep given em hell boys!

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Not that I've seen. I saw something about a Ukrainian suicide drone on a Russian tank though.

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I have seen footage of Russian drones

I am sure they are using them for Recon, if not for ground attack.

Just looked up info on Kyiv. It covers and area of approximately 324sq miles, which is about the same size as San Diego. Dallas is approx 358sq miles.

That's a lot of fighting if they have to go block by block.

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How did the Ukrainians fair overnight? I've seen few reports that Kyiv is expected to fall relatively soon.

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quick answer: Not well

I have seen video of Russian soldiers walking around in the outer Kyiv suburbs.

so the Ukes are close enough to video record them on their phones- but no one is actually shooting at them.

I have seen Russian BMP driving right down a street in a Kyiv suburb surrounded by High rise apartment buildings with hundreds of windows.

and not a shot.

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That's about what I expected. There really isn't a world where valiant Ukrainians throw the Russians back. As nice as that would be. They will have fight a resistance war, and I suppose it will comedown to how long they're willing to fight/how long Russia can take the pain.

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Senior US defense official says Russian amphibious assault underway on Sea of Azov, to the west of Mariupol. "Indications are right now that the that they are putting potentially thousands of naval infantry ashore there."

— Joe Gould (@reporterjoe) February 25, 2022

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That's....interesting. did they need another front opened up?

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Chatter I was seeing last night indicated that Mariupol was being advanced on from the east and west by a Russian troops but was held by the Ukrainians. If the Russians are going to do an amphibious landing assault, not that I really need to say it but Mariupol is likely going to see heavy urban fighting.

Another video from Grozny, Chechnya sent to me by local source today. Thousands of additional Chechen government forces being deployed to Ukraine as part of Russia's occupation force. pic.twitter.com/4c8tJS1bqp

— Neil Hauer (@NeilPHauer) February 25, 2022

I've seen this posted a few times on other Twitter handles. I held off posting this for a bit.

Significant number of Ukrainian military vehicles abandoned and destroyed reportedly on the road to Kherson pic.twitter.com/mAJl7H4LNU

— ELINT News (@ELINTNews) February 25, 2022

Looks like the Russians may have made a breakthrough at Kherson

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****ing cowards won't do what needs to be done to save lives and end this…

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You think that will end it? Ahh no it won't it will greatly intensify it. At this time this is only a corrupt Ukraine issue, do that it and things will get very nasty very quick and it could expand into something we don't want it to expand into.

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Per Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense, 2,800 Russian troops so far have been killed.

Other Russian losses:

Tanks – About 80
Other armored vehicles - 516
Planes – 10
Helicopters – 7

— Steve Beynon (@StevenBeynon) February 25, 2022

Lost more in 2 days than we lost in Afghanistan in 2 decades.

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I do not believe this at all

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I'm with you. No doubt the ukes have inflicted some damage but these numbers seems inflated/propaganda