BusterAg said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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REPROTER: "Targeting the Russian energy industry is totally off the table? Is that what you are saying, Daleep?"

SINGH: "What I'm saying is that our measures were not designed to disrupt, in any way, the current flow of energy from Russia to the world." pic.twitter.com/eo6jt5mcD1

— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) February 24, 2022

Don't know if this is for this thread or the other


But, really????

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If our leaders had any testicles at all, we would be assisting the Ukraine with informational intelligence to help them blow the hell out of the Nord Stream pipeline. I would think that a well armed commando unit coming in to Russia from Finland could likely find a weak spot. It's a lot of pipe to defend.

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here's a question: WHY would Biden do that?!

He literally stopped Trump's sanctions -and APPROVED the development of Nordstream 2!

why would he turn around now and blow up Nordstream 1?!

The international community is in the process of cutting Russia off economically, and in some ways physically.

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) February 25, 2022

If the fighting in Kherson is really heavy enough to stall the Russians and keep them entangled there, I'm quite proud of them.

Ukraine's ex-president and businessman Petro Poroshenko has also armed himself and says the Ukrainians will defend Kyiv forever. pic.twitter.com/O5K7TM88Ie

— WorldOnAlert (@worldonalert) February 25, 2022

erudite said:

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Reports of a successful ambush against the Russians in Kiev

Ukrainian soldiers ambush and take out Russian soldiers in Kyiv today. pic.twitter.com/i7PhzGQeIz

— Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰 (@visegrad24) February 25, 2022

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From a lot of videos I have seen and this video here, it REALLY seems like the Russians don't have much tactical coordination. It looks like a lot of them are getting separated and killed piecemeal.

Like this video above, they get shot up, coast off the road and die alone, even as the rest of the column keeps going behind them.

I've seen the close up aftermath on that one. It's Ukranian uniforms coming out of that truck. So either they were Russians, for some reason dressed as Ukraine regulars, or more likely, citizens just took out their own regulars.

What are the next steps if they are able to get to Zelensky? Russia has made it pretty clear they don't want to occupy the whole country or even all of Kiev. Does Ukraine have the ability and fortitude to withstand their top government officials being taken out?

Strongweasel97 said:

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I've seen the close up aftermath on that one. It's Ukranian uniforms coming out of that truck. So either they were Russians, for some reason dressed as Ukraine regulars, or more likely, citizens just took out their own regulars.

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There were reports of Russian saboteurs in Ukrainian uniforms. I think that was them.

LMCane said:

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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Slowly seeing European countries move to ban Russian airlines from their airspace

Poland to ban Russian airlines from its airspace from midnight | Reuters https://t.co/6vbN6P2aQW

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) February 25, 2022

To some European leaders who are still hesitant: each year at commemorative events you say ‘Never again’. The time to prove it is now. Russia is waging a horrific war of aggression in Europe. Here is your ‘never again’ test: BAN RUSSIA FROM SWIFT and kick it out of everywhere.

— Dmytro Kuleba (@DmytroKuleba) February 25, 2022

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frankly that is hilarious that the Ukrainian FM is using "Never Again" as a rallying cry.

Considering that the Ukrainians were initially strong supporters and allies of the Nazis in 1941

and did more than almost any other people to hunt down their Jews and murder them.

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IIRC the Ukrainians sent troops to Iraq and to Afghanistan, which was essentially in support of the GWOT. I'm thinking he's echoing that.

Eliminatus said:

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erudite said:

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Reports of a successful ambush against the Russians in Kiev

Ukrainian soldiers ambush and take out Russian soldiers in Kyiv today. pic.twitter.com/i7PhzGQeIz

— Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰 (@visegrad24) February 25, 2022

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From a lot of videos I have seen and this video here, it REALLY seems like the Russians don't have much tactical coordination. It looks like a lot of them are getting separated and killed piecemeal.

Like this video above, they get shot up, coast off the road and die alone, even as the rest of the column keeps going behind them.

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I've heard that Russians have a different mantra regarding fighting for the home country. We talk about whether we're willing to serve or to fight, Russians say they're willing to die. This could affect the doctrine as well.

BusterAg said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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REPROTER: "Targeting the Russian energy industry is totally off the table? Is that what you are saying, Daleep?"

SINGH: "What I'm saying is that our measures were not designed to disrupt, in any way, the current flow of energy from Russia to the world." pic.twitter.com/eo6jt5mcD1

— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) February 24, 2022

Don't know if this is for this thread or the other


But, really????

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If our leaders had any testicles at all, we would be assisting the Ukraine with informational intelligence to help them blow the hell out of the Nord Stream pipeline. I would think that a well armed commando unit coming in to Russia from Finland could likely find a weak spot. It's a lot of pipe to defend.

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Just for some perspective on how difficult it is to cut off the movement of energy in the world during wartime, in World War II Standard Oil of New Jersey (later Exxon) continued to supply Germany with oil through agreements made before the war, using a Spanish intermediary that was outside of regulations. This despite the fact that Walter Teagle, Standard's chairman, had two sons in the U.S. Army Air Corps. So oil that was mostly produced in East Texas was moving to Germany throughout the war.

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Gonna find out how good the Russians are at guerrilla warfare…

The US was not very good at it at all going into Afghanistan and Iraq and had to learn on the fly…

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And while we aren't great at non centralized command, the Russians are even worse.

Though they'll also have way looser ROEs so that might be a wash.

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Very true on the ROE, and notably in our PC army as well as others handling things like guerrilla warfare in enemy territory is a very perishable skill. But the Russians have some leadership with experience from Syria/other places, too (though the muslim groups there are not very skilled in general, imho).

The Russian army has a reputation for not worrying about civilian casualties etc. I don't know if that is really fair or just more of an 'old army/war' attitude, but I bet this gets pretty darn ugly this weekend.

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The general Russian line infantry (not their officers) don't even know how to use a map. It's because the Russian/Soviet doctrine has quite the disdain for initiative since the entire force must attack as a whole across the front.

There are some rumors the Russians brought in the Chechens for the assault on Kiev, that's going to be a fun one to watch. They supposedly brought in the 131st Motor-Rifle, which was the one who did the assault on Gronzy.

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Strongweasel97 said:

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I've seen the close up aftermath on that one. It's Ukranian uniforms coming out of that truck. So either they were Russians, for some reason dressed as Ukraine regulars, or more likely, citizens just took out their own regulars.

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There were reports of Russian saboteurs in Ukrainian uniforms. I think that was them.

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Yeah, I've heard that, but am skeptical....it just seems like it'd be a lot easier to commit acts of sabotage by driving a civilian vehicle in a track suit/local attire. But who knows.

Eliminatus said:

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erudite said:

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Reports of a successful ambush against the Russians in Kiev

Ukrainian soldiers ambush and take out Russian soldiers in Kyiv today. pic.twitter.com/i7PhzGQeIz

— Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰 (@visegrad24) February 25, 2022

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From a lot of videos I have seen and this video here, it REALLY seems like the Russians don't have much tactical coordination. It looks like a lot of them are getting separated and killed piecemeal.

Like this video above, they get shot up, coast off the road and die alone, even as the rest of the column keeps going behind them.

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What concerns me was the AA asset that looked like it rolled through in the background. That looked like a Strela-10. Not sure it would do much good in a city with high buildings but I'm sure they could reposition into an area to be effective.

Russia does not want that kind of war for the same reason the US doesn't. You are at a disadvantage against the people who live there and it's a slow and tedious fight with tons of risk.

If Putin doesn't overwhelm them immediately, I think Russia is in some trouble against long term resistance.

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JobSecurity said:

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What are the next steps if they are able to get to Zelensky? Russia has made it pretty clear they don't want to occupy the whole country or even all of Kiev. Does Ukraine have the ability and fortitude to withstand their top government officials being taken out?

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I'm not sure I'd believe this.

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Putin will install a puppet government and then "leave"

Good thread if you need to get caught up.

Day 1 of Combat 🧵, Takeaways from available information:

1.Russians broke with their own doctrine of relying on heavy, concentrated support fires. 1/

— Patrick Fox (@RealCynicalFox) February 25, 2022

jabberwalkie09 said:

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Eliminatus said:

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erudite said:

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Reports of a successful ambush against the Russians in Kiev

Ukrainian soldiers ambush and take out Russian soldiers in Kyiv today. pic.twitter.com/i7PhzGQeIz

— Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰 (@visegrad24) February 25, 2022

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From a lot of videos I have seen and this video here, it REALLY seems like the Russians don't have much tactical coordination. It looks like a lot of them are getting separated and killed piecemeal.

Like this video above, they get shot up, coast off the road and die alone, even as the rest of the column keeps going behind them.

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What concerns me was the AA asset that looked like it rolled through in the background. That looked like a Strela-10. Not sure it would do much good in a city with high buildings but I'm sure they could reposition into an area to be effective.

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Honestly MANPADS are most effective in urban settings, but infantry is literally most effective in any difficult terrain.
Again, like I said, the Soviets did not teach the line infantry to use maps, and while the Russians may have (I am unsure), Deep Battle has a disdain for autonomous unit initiative below the Army Group level because it is viewed to destroy the cohesion of the entire operation.

ABATTBQ11 said:

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Strongweasel97 said:

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I've seen the close up aftermath on that one. It's Ukranian uniforms coming out of that truck. So either they were Russians, for some reason dressed as Ukraine regulars, or more likely, citizens just took out their own regulars.

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There were reports of Russian saboteurs in Ukrainian uniforms. I think that was them.

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Damn. If they were saboteurs I'd doubt they'd wouldn't be rolling with a Strela 10 as seen. Definitely not the dark green uniforms of standard Russian forces either.

This actually may legit be blue on blue on second look.

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Things in Moscow need to start blowing up soon. Hoping the fight can be taken to them.

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No, don't need to build public support for the war in Russia.

Strongweasel97 said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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Strongweasel97 said:

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I've seen the close up aftermath on that one. It's Ukranian uniforms coming out of that truck. So either they were Russians, for some reason dressed as Ukraine regulars, or more likely, citizens just took out their own regulars.

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There were reports of Russian saboteurs in Ukrainian uniforms. I think that was them.

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Yeah, I've heard that, but am skeptical....it just seems like it'd be a lot easier to commit acts of sabotage by driving a civilian vehicle in a track suit/local attire. But who knows.

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At this point movement within and to Kyiv is likely restricted to military and government personnel. Putting on a uniform allows for a certain degree of movement.

jabberwalkie09 said:

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Strongweasel97 said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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Strongweasel97 said:

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I've seen the close up aftermath on that one. It's Ukranian uniforms coming out of that truck. So either they were Russians, for some reason dressed as Ukraine regulars, or more likely, citizens just took out their own regulars.

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There were reports of Russian saboteurs in Ukrainian uniforms. I think that was them.

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Yeah, I've heard that, but am skeptical....it just seems like it'd be a lot easier to commit acts of sabotage by driving a civilian vehicle in a track suit/local attire. But who knows.

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At this point movement within and to Kyiv is likely restricted to military and government personnel. Putting on a uniform allows for a certain degree of movement.

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Anyone confirm if Kiev is fully surrounded then? Not trusting Russia sources

Russia just threatened military consequences against Finland and Sweden.
They f***** insane. pic.twitter.com/w4BfHfYYEW

— Femi (@Femi_Sorry) February 25, 2022

wessimo said:

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Build It said:

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Things in Moscow need to start blowing up soon. Hoping the fight can be taken to them.

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No, don't need to build public support for the war in Russia.

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Pretty sure a lot of Russians would be pissed if Putin brought terrorism home after invading a non-aggressive neighbor.

Strongweasel97 said:

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I've seen the close up aftermath on that one. It's Ukranian uniforms coming out of that truck. So either they were Russians, for some reason dressed as Ukraine regulars, or more likely, citizens just took out their own regulars.

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It was reported last night that the Russians were taking Ukraine uniforms and vehicles. Maybe this is part of that.

erudite said:

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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Eliminatus said:

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erudite said:

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Reports of a successful ambush against the Russians in Kiev

Ukrainian soldiers ambush and take out Russian soldiers in Kyiv today. pic.twitter.com/i7PhzGQeIz

— Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰 (@visegrad24) February 25, 2022

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From a lot of videos I have seen and this video here, it REALLY seems like the Russians don't have much tactical coordination. It looks like a lot of them are getting separated and killed piecemeal.

Like this video above, they get shot up, coast off the road and die alone, even as the rest of the column keeps going behind them.

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What concerns me was the AA asset that looked like it rolled through in the background. That looked like a Strela-10. Not sure it would do much good in a city with high buildings but I'm sure they could reposition into an area to be effective.

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Honestly MANPADS are most effective in urban settings, but infantry is literally most effective in any difficult terrain.
Again, like I said, the Soviets did not teach the line infantry to use maps, and while the Russians may have (I am unsure), Deep Battle has a disdain for autonomous unit initiative below the Army Group level because it is viewed to destroy the cohesion of the entire operation.

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Right, I'd assume they are basically going to use those time of assets as cover to move forward though the city.

Claims that the radiation is being kicked up after a waste storage facility was hit by a strike earlier yesterday near Pripyat (Chernobyl NPP area).
EDIT: SOURCE UNKNOWN. TAKE WITH SALT.
Russian claims that the levels are around 5,000 due to dust from unit movement.

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JobSecurity said:

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What are the next steps if they are able to get to Zelensky? Russia has made it pretty clear they don't want to occupy the whole country or even all of Kiev. Does Ukraine have the ability and fortitude to withstand their top government officials being taken out?

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I'm not sure I'd believe this.

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Putin will install a puppet government and then "leave"

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That seems like what the stated goal is, but it seems like lunacy. A government that was seen as being his puppet has already been run out on a rail by popular protest within the last decade. The Russian army is going to have to stick around and forcefully maintain any puppet government he wants. Putin is on a road where the best case scenario for him is "Iraq Mission Accomplished speech" then losing tens of thousands of troops over how ever many years...

Chernihiv security department is on fire: two shells from the Russian army hit it. it's a two-hour drive from Kyiv.
Video: @zaborona_media pic.twitter.com/sDcelQsp65

— katerina sergatskova (@KSergatskova) February 25, 2022

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Russia just threatened military consequences against Finland and Sweden.
They f***** insane. pic.twitter.com/w4BfHfYYEW

— Femi (@Femi_Sorry) February 25, 2022

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did they find a 2nd year Russian language learner at some university to translate that?

And now Putin on TV again. Describes Zelensky's government as a "band of drug addicts and neo-Nazis that has lodged itself in Kyiv and taken hostage the entire Ukrainian people."

— Anton Troianovski (@antontroian) February 25, 2022