Rossticus said:

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Deputy Speaker of the Czech Chamber of Deputies Jan Bartošek said Russian atrocities in par with nazis during WWII. Czech rep sends more tanks https://t.co/AKIuRaZxSX

— Mats Marcusson (@gubbdjavel) April 15, 2022

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Does this mean they are not as bad as the Russians in WwII? Because they are worse than the Nazis.

Russians resorting to carpet-bombing.

The gloves are now completely off, formal war declaration or no.

MARIUPOL

74OA said:

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Russians now resorting to carpet-bombing.

The gloves are now completely off, formal war declaration or no.

MARIUPOL

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Would be glorious if these bombers hit numerous Russian troops.

I believe some s300 from Eastern Europe are on the way. That will stop a lot of the air attacks wherever they site it.

So would a Mig air patrol, however.

Changing the subject back to a tactical one…

I have been reading about the "Counter-Battery Radar Systems" that we are supposed to be supplying in this recent weapons package.

They look very interesting in that they can isolate the origin of incoming artillery fire and communicate that to several response systems to return fire.

For those familiar with these systems…

Are they potential game changers for this Eastern front offensive? Can they stay out of ground attack range and execute their surveillance from distance?

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I believe RU forces have learned from previous mistakes and are now solidifying their support lines in order to not over extend. We have had previous reports of rail way troops working to ensure connections to the south and west of Kup'yans'k.

— Def Mon (@DefMon3) April 16, 2022

Build It said:

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My guess is us or someone else is giving them or already has given them the weapons to shoot down those jets.

It's coming soon. We'll hear about a bomber being shot down in the coming days.

As far as enlisting. Well, I'm retired so better me than those of you that can keep the world working. Let's hope it doesn't come to that. But I'd rather enlist than have my two sons have to go.

I'm and old guy who entered public school in 1970. We had duck and cover drills every week. I've lived under a constant threat of nuclear war my whole life. Russians my age were taught the same way, fearing we would send nukes to them. We have a lifelong mutual fear. We'll see who backs down first. This time is much different. I think the world is soon to be a much different place if we don't all die in nuclear holocaust.

My kids think I'm crazy when I tell them about the fear we had before the fall of the Soviet Union. Here we are again.

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There is wisdom in your words. We must strategically seek another way.

Build It said:

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My guess is us or someone else is giving them or already has given them the weapons to shoot down those jets.

It's coming soon. We'll hear about a bomber being shot down in the coming days.

As far as enlisting. Well, I'm retired so better me than those of you that can keep the world working. Let's hope it doesn't come to that. But I'd rather enlist than have my two sons have to go.

I'm and old guy who entered public school in 1970. We had duck and cover drills every week. I've lived under a constant threat of nuclear war my whole life. Russians my age were taught the same way, fearing we would send nukes to them. We have a lifelong mutual fear. We'll see who backs down first. This time is much different. I think the world is soon to be a much different place if we don't all die in nuclear holocaust.

My kids think I'm crazy when I tell them about the fear we had before the fall of the Soviet Union. Here we are again.

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Every war game in Cold War Europe that played out to the end went nuclear back in the day: we used nukes because the Russians overran us by sheer force of numbers. This Ukraine War is showing something different: our tech advantages being deployed by the Ukrainians are chewing up Russian ground, air and naval forces and forcing the Russians into contemplating either withdrawal or the use of WMDs. I believe at some point you could see use of a tactical nuke if they can locate a sufficiently valuable Ukrainian military asset. Putin won't be humiliated and his military has proved incompetent. This may be his only option.

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So would a Mig air patrol, however.

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Saw/read/heard somewhere, and I don't have a link, that one of the issues with the Polish airplane transfer was that a lot of NATO avionics had been installed.

"A column of 58 Russian military equipment has just passed through the town of Svatove from Starobilsk towards the excavated mountain (probably towards Severodonetsk): 13 of them are ACS, 12 Grad, the rest are KAMAZ, Urals, BMP, BMD, one fuel truck.

2 columns of enemy equipment. Approximately 15-40 from the Direction Starobilsk to the fork Lysychansk-Kupyansk drove about 30 ACS and 30 Grad + tilt KAMAZ."

>>>2 колони вражої техніки. Приблизно в 15-40 з Напрямку Старобільська на розвилку Лисичанськ-Куп'янськ проїхало приблизно по 30 САУ та 30 Градів + тентовані камази.

— Ja NeUmerHerwam (@neumerherwam) April 16, 2022

In Mariupol, Russia’s troops tell locals they’ll close the town completely, ban movement within it to filtrate 100% of male residents. Some men will be forced to join RU troops, others to clear the rubble, the rest will be detained - aide to Mariupol mayor Petro Andryishchenko

— Myroslava Petsa (@myroslavapetsa) April 16, 2022

"Detained" how? Is there a building left standing at this point?

aggiehawg said:

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"Detained" how? Is there a building left standing at this point?

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Impossible to know the setup without being on the ground but you don't need fully intact buildings to set detainment areas.

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Every war game in Cold War Europe that played out to the end went nuclear back in the day: we used nukes because the Russians overran us by sheer force of numbers.

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Went to V Corp after we stood down in Viet Nam and indeed you are correct. Those were the days of retrograde operations. I will add however even then we were not completely in awe on the quality of the Soviet Army. East Germany was the exception.

74OA said:

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Russians resorting to carpet-bombing.

The gloves are now completely off, formal war declaration or no.

MARIUPOL

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Putin is acutely aware of his war clock ticking down as more, heavier, and increasingly sophisticated weapons arrive in Ukraine. Hence, his threat to America and NATO partners to stop their support.

He knows he must win quickly or lose, and he will use all methods and means available to overwhelm Ukraine. JMO, but I'm pretty sure of it.

Jayhawk said:

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The Chechen Islamic terror squads have been sent into Ukraine to terrorize and brutalize the Christian inhabitants of the country, to break their morale and get them to submit. If the Ukrainians borrowed a page from the famous Romanian leader who also had to deal with invading barbarous islamic hordes, it would be a just response. E.g. Vlad Dracul crucified the Turks who came to terrorize his people.

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Vlad the Impaler...turned away an entire army with only the visuals of impaled enemies lining the roadside for miles.

AGS-R-TUFF said:

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Changing the subject back to a tactical one…

I have been reading about the "Counter-Battery Radar Systems" that we are supposed to be supplying in this recent weapons package.

They look very interesting in that they can isolate the origin of incoming artillery fire and communicate that to several response systems to return fire.

For those familiar with these systems…

Are they potential game changers for this Eastern front offensive? Can they stay out of ground attack range and execute their surveillance from distance?

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Yes to all questions, according to Gen. Keane (sp?) on Fox News. Return fire is rapid and accurate.

sharpdressedman said:

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AGS-R-TUFF said:

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Changing the subject back to a tactical one…

I have been reading about the "Counter-Battery Radar Systems" that we are supposed to be supplying in this recent weapons package.

They look very interesting in that they can isolate the origin of incoming artillery fire and communicate that to several response systems to return fire.

For those familiar with these systems…

Are they potential game changers for this Eastern front offensive? Can they stay out of ground attack range and execute their surveillance from distance?

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Yes to all questions, according to Gen. Keane (sp?) on Fox News. Return fire is rapid and accurate.

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.......and these Firefinder counter-battery radars (Google!) are not new to the Ukrainians. We gifted them several in 2015 and the Netherlands gave them more just recently.

AGS-R-TUFF said:

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Changing the subject back to a tactical one…

I have been reading about the "Counter-Battery Radar Systems" that we are supposed to be supplying in this recent weapons package.

They look very interesting in that they can isolate the origin of incoming artillery fire and communicate that to several response systems to return fire.

For those familiar with these systems…

Are they potential game changers for this Eastern front offensive? Can they stay out of ground attack range and execute their surveillance from distance?

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I am not familiar with the counter battery radar & targeting aspect of it, but its my understanding that they are getting 10 radars and 18 EA 155MM guns along with 40,000 rounds. I am not sure if the radars have to be wired to the system or are wireless. I suspect wireless given the ration of radars to guns and they could be used also with their own soviet era indirect fire, but manually adjusting.

The biggest question is are what types of rounds are we giving them dumb or smart. The biggest difference IMO being range, some of our Excalibur rounds can go 70 KM (variants 23/40/70 KM) even at 23 KM should create a small buffer under russian indirect fire but given the roads situation and not leaving easily identifiable tracks all over the fields more range would be better. The radars are good for 18-20KM and the Ukrainians have had some since 2014. Ideally you would not co locate with the guns and they would be forward of them given the difference in range or continue to use FOs persons/drones for targeting.

If they can keep them from getting destroyed by russian air or missiles AND with longer range munitions yes it should be a game changer force multiplier but again has to be combined arms with all else including the small unit tactics.

Thanks for the breakdown.

Anybody seen this? Confirmation?

aggiehawg said:

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Anybody seen this? Confirmation?

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Would suck if true…possibly more drones from Turkey.

I wasn’t going to show this but feel I have to. Russians booby trapping civilians homes. They pull the pin on grenade, put it in a glass, string it to cabinet so when you open, pulls glass, glass breaks, Kaboom, another innocent dead. Just pure evil. pic.twitter.com/erLCHtJ8rh

— James Vasquez (@jmvasquez1974) April 16, 2022

The Russian Ministry of Defense is Claiming that it shot down a Ukrainian Air Force Transport Plane on approach to the Coastal City of Odesa, the Aircraft that is said to have been downed is most likely a An-26, though the Ukrainian MoD has not reported any such Shoot Down. pic.twitter.com/TQsHLaAw0t

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) April 16, 2022

There are also some Sources, primarily Russian, Claiming that the Aircraft shot down was a NATO Military Aircraft carrying Weapons to Ukrainian Forces in Odesa, but again this is Extremely Unlikely however if found to be True oh boy……..

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) April 16, 2022

aggiehawg said:

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Anybody seen this? Confirmation?

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If true, Putin is making good on his threat, climbing another step on the ladder to war with NATO.

aggiehawg said:

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Anybody seen this? Confirmation?

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If there was a plane flying to Odessa it wouldn't show up on flight trackers. Twitter people seem to forget that they don't have the whole picture just because they have access to a lot of info

I would expect that any aircraft over Ukraine has a significant risk of being shot down.

Would we expect Russia to hold fire for a NATO aircraft? I wouldn't expect that

I see these foot soldiers with manpads, with the fog of war, do they really know what they are shooting at?

Putin appears to be making a mistake Stalin was always smart enough to avoid. You never purge the kulaks, the military, and the security/intel services all at once. You do it one at a time so they don't all band together and turn on you.

— Patrick Fox (@RealCynicalFox) April 16, 2022

BattleGrackle said:

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I would expect that any aircraft over Ukraine has a significant risk of being shot down.

Would we expect Russia to hold fire for a NATO aircraft? I wouldn't expect that

I see these foot soldiers with manpads, with the fog of war, do they really know what they are shooting at?

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Ukraine-Russia is a combat zone. Anything supporting the military of either side is fair game inside the combat zone. This is why NATO brings materiel to the border and Ukraine carries it in from there.