AggiePetro07 said:

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StonewallAggieDEFENSE said:

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Great point about the body armor

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Recap please. stepped away

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Talked about how he gave his body armor to someone earlier - "would he go looking for trouble after giving up his body armor to some else?"

Thank you

This closing has really come on stronger and stronger as it has gone along.

Richards settled down and now just rips apart every single part of the prosecution's case!

Defense is clickin now

Best Richards has been during this entire trial. He's destroying Binger.

His approach and delivery is now composed, confident and positively fierce

I read someones summary of events from Kyle's point of view and it humanized him. The information surrounding the situation does not. This is what I read that really made me think about my own view and ultimately change it:

"The actual book:

Keep in mind this is coming from someone without any formal legal background. I'm a college student with a basic understanding of law from an introductory law class, nothing more. I have also watched the entirety of the Rittenhouse trial so far. In fact, it's on right now while I type this. The trial is basically over, I believe closing arguments are either today or Monday, both sides have finished and rested their case.

Based on the evidence, testimonies, arguments, and trial as a whole, here's what I saw happen on 8/25/2020:

Rittenhouse is a 17-year-old dude from Illinois. I forget what city, but it is quite close to the IL-WI border. He's worked in Kenosha, he has family and friends who live in Kenosha. I believe he said he gave money to an older friend of his (Dominic Black) to buy an AR rifle. This firearm never left the state of Wisconsin and was only ever possessed by Rittenhouse when Black was also present. On the 25th, Rittenhouse was given the rifle by Black.

Rittenhouse was not an EMT, however was an EMT cadet with his local fire department and had some basic EMT and medical training. He and several friends went to Kenosha essentially to look after the community after seeing the destruction the night before due to riots occurring because of the Jacob Blake shooting. An owner of a used car lot called Car Source asked for protection (from people he knew and ultimately became Rittenhouse and his friends) of his business after seeing every car burned at another location. They agreed and mostly remained around this location.

During the day, Rittenhouse got a sling for his rifle so it was attached to his body. This made it so he would not have to set the rifle down or be able to be stolen while he gave someone medical attention or handled a fire extinguisher. Later, a police line essentially moved them from the Car Source. During the night, Rittenhouse and his accomplices put out dumpster fires and gave medical attention to some people with minor injuries.

A man, Rosenbaum, was seen being very aggressive towards Rittenhouse and his accomplices. Rosenbaum even made threats at Rittenhouse twice. One time where he said something close to "if I catch you alone I'll kill you." He also yelled (as a white man) "shoot me na! shoot me na!" At other similarly armed men. Rosenbaum also becomes angry and aggressive when a dumpster fire is put out. Later, Rittenhouse believes he is walking with a friend, but loses him, making him alone.

The first shots: Rittenhouse, alone, finds himself being chased by Rosenbaum. Rosenbaum yells "**** you!" at him and throws what I believe is an empty plastic bag in his direction. A man nearby shoots 2 rounds into the air. Rittenhouse reacts, unsure where they came from, he turns towards Rosenbaum, who is charging Rittenhouse, and Rittenhouse points his rifle at Rosenbaum. Rosenbaum does not stop. Rittenhouse runs again, to find himself somewhat cornered because of some parked cars and other protestors. Rittenhouse stops when cornered and turns around, once turned around, Rosenbaum lunges at Rittenhouse, grabbing for his rifle. Rittenhouse fires 4 rounds very quickly one after another. These rounds killed Rosenbaum. You may hear that Rosenbaum was shot in the back. Although true, this is misleading. This round goes into his back entering his body closer to his head and the bullet goes down his body as if he was shot from above. This shot goes into his back this way because Rosenbaum is horizontal as he lunges at Rittenhouse and his body is lower than the rifle when this bullet is shot. I hope that makes sense. Rittenhouse stays for a brief second, and calls his friend, Black, for a few seconds to tell him he shot someone because he had to. His call was cut short when a mob begin to chase him while threatening him and throwing things at him. Of course, Rittenhouse runs away. Rittenhouse begins running towards the police line to turn himself in.

After running down the street followed by a mob of angry, aggressive, and threatening demonstrators, Rittenhouse trips and falls due to being lightheaded from a combination of running and being struck in the head by a concrete rock. When having fallen down, an unknown man kicks Rittenhouse in the face. Rittenhouse fires 2 shots at him as he is being kicked, both miss, this man runs away.

Very shortly after, Rittenhouse is struck in the back of the neck/upper back with a skateboard by a man named Huber. Huber sort of runs over Rittenhouse's prone body after this, while also grabbing for Rittenhouse's rifle. Rittenhouse fires a round into his chest as Huber is on top of him, proving fatal for Huber.

Simultaneously, another man, Grosskreutz is running after Rittenhouse as well. Grosskreutz also has an illegally possessed handgun in his hand. Grosskreutz stops advancing towards Rittenhouse (once he is around 3-4 feet away) because of Rittenhouse's shot at Huber. This causes Grosskreutz to stop and put his hands up, still keeping his handgun in his hand. Rittenhouse sees him quickly after shooting Huber and points his rifle at Grosskreutz, which is also why Grosskreutz put his hands up. However, I believe (based on video) that since Grosskreutz stops and puts his hands up, Rittenhouse begins to slightly lower his rifle. Grosskreutz testified that Rittenhosue "reracked" (also known as rechambering) the rifle at this time. Rittenhouse disputed this in court and I believe video evidence shows that this never happened. Once Rittenhouse sort of slightly lowers his rifle, Grosskreutz (to his own admission and testimony) lunges at Rittenhouse and points his handgun at Rittenhouse's head. Rittenhouse is quick enough to shoot Grosskreutz before Grosskreutz is able to advance any further. He hits Grosskreutz's bicep, damaging his arm severely. Grosskreutz runs away seeking medical attention and lives to tell the story. For this shooting, I want to emphasize (because this is pretty key) that Grosskreutz admitted in his testimony that Rittenhouse did not shoot him until he lunged at Rittenhouse, dropped his arms, and pointed his handgun at Rittenhouse.

Rittenhouse gets up and advances towards the police, putting his hands up when he approaches trying to turn himself in. The officer (who is in his squad car) who is being approached by Rittenhouse, orders Rittenhouse to stay back, pepper sprays Rittenhouse, and tells Rittenhouse to go home. Rittenhouse goes home in Illinois where he explained to his mother what happened. Rittenhouse goes to his local police station to turn himself in, driven by his mother. He arrives at the police station less than an hour after the shooting."

Going after GG's friend Jacob Marshall FB post of GG saying he wanted to kill Kyle.

He keeps misusing "unfortunately".

Mr Yellow Pants haha

LittleBinger looks defeated. I predict his rebuttal is going to be a whiny disaster.

Yellowpants man and friends armed and McGinnis "bought them off with a White Claw."

AggiePetro07 said:

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StonewallAggieDEFENSE said:

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Great point about the body armor

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Recap please. stepped away

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Kyle had armor gave it to a friend

Defense says that shows his intentions were NOT to shoot things up

Good thing to show that Rittenhouse is a Kenosha regular not some guy who trekked the country to get into some action

Thank you for sharing that. That is a very good summation of the trial as I understood it as well, especially since most (almost all?) of it was stated by the prosecution's witnesses to begin with.

Don't lose them here

That's a great summary. But my question is, what made you initially think KR was guilty?

CanyonAg77 said:

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That's a great summary. But my question is, what made you initially think KR was guilty?

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MSM covered it that way. MAGA kid looking for trouble.

Officer only fans!

Officer hot pants coming up

Doing a good job stressing how fast all of this happened.

FriscoKid said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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That's a great summary. But my question is, what made you initially think KR was guilty?

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MSM covered it that way. MAGA kid looking for trouble.

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True, but I was curious about AggieDub's view, as one who changed his mind

I was struggling to find any actual information that wasn't deeply rooted in political bias. I felt the person who wrote that summary did a great job of actually showing what Kyle did and made him out to be a human being rather than a symbol of violence or one of freedom and protection. And when you take away all the noise, he actually seems like a good hearted community citizen who was trying to help and found himself in a bad situation. Did part of him want to find himself in that bad situation? Maybe. But that isn't for us or anyone else to decide. All that matters is that when faced with violence, he acted appropriately and within the law.

My ears hurt when I hear "clip"

Brittany Bray.....Toobin mode activated.

Hey guys

Hello, Nurse!

I'm mean Officer Bray.

CanyonAg77 said:

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That's a great summary. But my question is, what made you initially think KR was guilty?

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Initially I thought he was guilty because in my mind he was there looking for trouble, found it, and people lost their lives at his hand. But realizing the events that led up to the violence, it seems like he was actually there to help. And when faced with violence, he acted appropriately and within the law. Then he immediately turned himself in.

About to go into a meeting, but I'll check back when I'm done.

swampstander said:

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Brittany Bray.....Toobin mode activated.

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i believe its spelled Brittni in case that is relevant to your interests

Binger is a whiney defense lawyer. Nailed it.

Richards said everyone that testified has to be lying if Binger is correct.

"They never reassessed their case" good line

This is a political case

Thanks for your reply

Small fires turn into big fires. Kinda stupid

Hahahah

"Hocus pocus, out of focus" LOL