*****VERDICT WATCH CHAUVIN TRIAL*****

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HTownAg98
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In reply to aggiehawg • 9:17a, 4/20/21
aggiehawg said:
SwigAg11 said:
Had the use of these computer systems in jury deliberation rooms become prevalent before, or was it COVID that had courthouses add them?
No idea. I infer that Minnesota hasn't used trial transcripts for awhile because I saw that in the jury instructions for the Noor case, which was pre-covid.

Will say using that format streamlines the process by a lot as the jury does not need to be trouped back in to the courtroom to view a video exhibit on the courtroom screen. Because of all of the money being hurled at this trial and phony covid protocols adapting that format for all trials going forward if not in use already would be a positive thing.

Juries don't get a trial transcript in most cases. That's why they take notes when allowed.
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9:17a, 4/20/21
Question. If a juror mentions the threats of Watters, or concerns for thier personal safety, etc. Could that cause a mistrial?
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In reply to fatherof4 • 9:19a, 4/20/21
fatherof4 said:
Question. If a juror mentions the threats of Watters, or concerns for thier personal safety, etc. Could that cause a mistrial?
Sounds like all the threats, a jury that was not sequestered, and more threats should have already caused a mistrial.
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In reply to HTownAg98 • 9:19a, 4/20/21
HTownAg98 said:
aggiehawg said:
SwigAg11 said:
Had the use of these computer systems in jury deliberation rooms become prevalent before, or was it COVID that had courthouses add them?
No idea. I infer that Minnesota hasn't used trial transcripts for awhile because I saw that in the jury instructions for the Noor case, which was pre-covid.

Will say using that format streamlines the process by a lot as the jury does not need to be trouped back in to the courtroom to view a video exhibit on the courtroom screen. Because of all of the money being hurled at this trial and phony covid protocols adapting that format for all trials going forward if not in use already would be a positive thing.

Juries don't get a trial transcript in most cases. That's why they take notes when allowed.
So how do they review testimony?
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In reply to aggiehawg • 9:21a, 4/20/21
aggiehawg said:
HTownAg98 said:
aggiehawg said:
SwigAg11 said:
Had the use of these computer systems in jury deliberation rooms become prevalent before, or was it COVID that had courthouses add them?
No idea. I infer that Minnesota hasn't used trial transcripts for awhile because I saw that in the jury instructions for the Noor case, which was pre-covid.

Will say using that format streamlines the process by a lot as the jury does not need to be trouped back in to the courtroom to view a video exhibit on the courtroom screen. Because of all of the money being hurled at this trial and phony covid protocols adapting that format for all trials going forward if not in use already would be a positive thing.

Juries don't get a trial transcript in most cases. That's why they take notes when allowed.
So how do they review testimony?
Cahill was saying to go based off memory and pulling up exhibits and not to pay more attention to a witness that people took more notes on just because of the notes
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9:22a, 4/20/21
God forbid we don't recall the riveting testimonies of the entrepreneur and lesbian firefighter.
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9:22a, 4/20/21
By reviewing their notes or what they heard in court. If there's a question about what was said in court, they can have portions of testimony read back to them. But they don't get the entire transcript. That's the norm rather than the exception.
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9:26a, 4/20/21
I just posted this on another thread but it seems like the dems are trying as hard as they can for a mistrial.

So the administration released a statement saying Biden is praying for the Floyd family which means he has chosen a side in a trial that has not been decided yet. Now we have what, 6 politicians that have decided for the jury that Chauvin should be guilty?

They are just waving the flames, when things go bad they will sit safely in their ivory towers.
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In reply to dmart90 • 9:26a, 4/20/21
Both of these women are absolute disgraces to our country.

The double standards and hypocrisy of the left just truly knows no bounds. This is despicable and disgusting.

And these same ****s sat there trying to pretend that Trump actually excited violence all the time they have.

I truly lothe these two women and I hope karma comes back around and gets both of them badly, In whatever form that may be.

If they are inciting violence then that is how it should go for them.

Hollywood, Democrats and most Republicans just staying silent on the matter when they know how evil this is.
“My philopsophy is this: Its none of my business what people say of me or think of me. I am what I am and I do what I do. I expect nothing and accept everything. And it makes life so much easier." ~ Sir Anthony Hopkins
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9:31a, 4/20/21
Yep.

“My philopsophy is this: Its none of my business what people say of me or think of me. I am what I am and I do what I do. I expect nothing and accept everything. And it makes life so much easier." ~ Sir Anthony Hopkins
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In reply to P.U.T.U • 9:35a, 4/20/21
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In reply to HTownAg98 • 9:37a, 4/20/21
HTownAg98 said:
By reviewing their notes or what they heard in court. If there's a question about what was said in court, they can have portions of testimony read back to them. But they don't get the entire transcript. That's the norm rather than the exception.
We were talking at cross purposes because I wasn't suggesting they had full transcripts available. I meant if they wanted to review excerpts.
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In reply to DallasAg 94 • 9:37a, 4/20/21
DallasAg 94 said:
P.U.T.U said:
I just posted this on another thread but it seems like the dems are trying as hard as they can for a mistrial.
I think they know they've lost and their only hope for a conviction is the threaten the the Jury... even if THAT results in a mistrial.

Democrats demand a guilty verdict... evidence be damned.

At this point, does the jury being sequestered include not having their cell phones and removing TVs and landline phones from their hotel rooms?
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9:38a, 4/20/21
Dersh weighs in:

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Tonight Attorney Alan Dershowitz was on with Newsmax's Gran Stinchfield where he shared that he believes the judge should have already called a mistrial in the Chauvin case after the threats from Maxine Waters over the weekend. Dershowitz said:
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Well, first of all the judge should have granted a motion for mistrial based on the efforts of Congresswoman Waters to influence the jury. Her message was clearly intended to get to the jury. If you acquit or you find the charge less than murder we will burn down your building, we will burn down your businesses. We will attack you. We will do what happened to a witness, blood on their door.

This was an attempt to intimidate the jury. It's borrowed precisely from the Ku Klux Klan of the 1930's
Video at Link
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In reply to SwigAg11 • 9:41a, 4/20/21
SwigAg11 said:
DallasAg 94 said:
P.U.T.U said:
I just posted this on another thread but it seems like the dems are trying as hard as they can for a mistrial.
I think they know they've lost and their only hope for a conviction is the threaten the the Jury... even if THAT results in a mistrial.

Democrats demand a guilty verdict... evidence be damned.

At this point, does the jury being sequestered include not having their cell phones and removing TVs and landline phones from their hotel rooms?
That's the usual method. I have speculated they would be put up at 5 star was because of security concerns, such as a top floor that requires a code or a card for elevator access to it.
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In reply to dmart90 • 9:43a, 4/20/21
dmart90 said:
4stringAg said:
Rapier108 said:





Two of the most pathetic excuses for humans in this country. Liars and trash scum.
Wait, what?!? It's ok to be confrontational if it is for the "correct cause"? What the actual f/ck are those idiots thinking?
They, the Democratic Party leadership & legacy media, are leaving out the fact that Maxine Waters said ignore any curfew, BREAK THE LAW. Let alone state Chauvin is guilty of murder yet he has not been found guilty in our court system which violates our Constitutional right to trial which she explicitly vowed to uphold.

These people are unethical and do not care
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In reply to HTownAg98 • 9:43a, 4/20/21
HTownAg98 said:
By reviewing their notes or what they heard in court. If there's a question about what was said in court, they can have portions of testimony read back to them. But they don't get the entire transcript. That's the norm rather than the exception.
It can take the reporter months to produce a transcript for a multi week trial. I printed a 1600 pg transcript last weekend for a trial with 7 days of testimony.
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In reply to lb3 • 9:45a, 4/20/21
lb3 said:
HTownAg98 said:
By reviewing their notes or what they heard in court. If there's a question about what was said in court, they can have portions of testimony read back to them. But they don't get the entire transcript. That's the norm rather than the exception.
It can take the reporter months to produce a transcript for a multi week trial. I printed a 1600 pg transcript last weekend for a trial with 7 days of testimony.
With all of the technology we have had in the last few decades that still surprises me.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 9:47a, 4/20/21
There are limitations on how things can be transcribed, formats, etc. Some states allow greater adoption of technology (mask writers, use of video, etc), but generally the courts still require a manual process to create transcripts.
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9:48a, 4/20/21
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So how do they review testimony?
In many states, they have to ask for testimony to be read in open court.


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9:51a, 4/20/21
You also would have to redact sidebars and anything that was transcribed that was made out of the presence of the jury. Getting all of that done and getting an accurate transcript to the jury in time would be impractical.
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9:59a, 4/20/21
Did the other thread get dropped?
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In reply to OnlyForNow • 10:00a, 4/20/21
nope: https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3190890/last

this is just the VERDICT waiting room.
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10:05a, 4/20/21
So how long before a hung jury is declared? 2 weeks?
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In reply to P.H. Dexippus • 10:10a, 4/20/21
Mr. AGSPRT04 said:
So how long before a hung jury is declared? 2 weeks?
Could be. Cahill interviewed the two alternates yesterday. He should have gotten a feel for how the jury has viewed the trial, at least in their perception. They have spent enough time together to get a good feel for their fellow jurors.

Cahill doesn't want a hung jury so I doubt he would let them quit after just a few days, at least a week to ten days would be my guess, if they are truly hung.
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10:15a, 4/20/21
Hawg and the Other Attorneys,

If there is a hung jury, or if a mistrial is declared or the verdict is overturned on appeal, do you think that the State will hold another trial, or do you think the DA will dismiss all charges with prejudice?

The State has already spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on this trial alone, and they still have the trial for the other 3 officers. Then of course there is the $27MM settlement that the city has agreed to pay Floyd's family. I know that this is one of, if not the most high profile criminal cases in the last 25 years, but do you think the State goes after Chauvin again if there is a hung jury or a mistrial is declared or the case is remanded on appeal?

Thanks.
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In reply to Aggie Jurist • 10:15a, 4/20/21
Aggie Jurist said:
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So how do they review testimony?
In many states, they have to ask for testimony to be read in open court.


I read they are just providing them the videos/evidence for review in chambers, so I don't think that is the case in this instance. May be misremembering though.
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10:17a, 4/20/21
Where does Chauvin hang out while jury deliberates?
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In reply to LostTexasBoy • 10:20a, 4/20/21
LostTexasBoy said:
Hawg and the Other Attorneys,

If there is a hung jury, or if a mistrial is declared or the verdict is overturned on appeal, do you think that the State will hold another trial, or do you think the DA will dismiss all charges with prejudice?

The State has already spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on this trial alone, and they still have the trial for the other 3 officers. Then of course there is the $27MM settlement that the city has agreed to pay Floyd's family. I know that this is one of, if not the most high profile criminal cases in the last 25 years, but do you think the State goes after Chauvin again if there is a hung jury or a mistrial is declared or the case is remanded on appeal?

Thanks.
There's been over 35 million spent on this trial, including the fortifications and not including the settlement with the family.

2022 is an election year. I think that factors in heavily on whether they want a retrial.

Meanwhile, depending on this verdict comes out, the three remaining officers' trial will be impacted. Might be a huge one (cases dismissed) or a minor one (certain charges dismissed.) Their alleged culpability is almost entirely derivative from Chauvin's actions.
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In reply to nortex97 • 10:21a, 4/20/21
nortex97 said:
Aggie Jurist said:
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So how do they review testimony?
In many states, they have to ask for testimony to be read in open court.


I read they are just providing them the videos/evidence for review in chambers, so I don't think that is the case in this instance. May be misremembering though.
I heard that too. I think all these video recordings we have access to (except for the legal sidebar discussions we had access to) will be available to the jury.
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In reply to Ft.Worth_Ag • 10:23a, 4/20/21
Ft.Worth_Ag said:
Where does Chauvin hang out while jury deliberates?
if hes on bail id assume he stays that way
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In reply to Ft.Worth_Ag • 10:24a, 4/20/21
Ft.Worth_Ag said:
Where does Chauvin hang out while jury deliberates?
The rest of the court house is empty. Nelson said yesterday that his counsel chambers was actually in another courtroom. That's where they hang out. Play cards, etc. to pass the time while they await a verdict. I don't know if Cahill has told them they need to be there all of the time or not. If he's left it up to them, Chauvin is probably chilling at wherever he lives or at Nelson's office.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 10:24a, 4/20/21
aggiehawg said:
LostTexasBoy said:
Hawg and the Other Attorneys,

If there is a hung jury, or if a mistrial is declared or the verdict is overturned on appeal, do you think that the State will hold another trial, or do you think the DA will dismiss all charges with prejudice?

The State has already spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on this trial alone, and they still have the trial for the other 3 officers. Then of course there is the $27MM settlement that the city has agreed to pay Floyd's family. I know that this is one of, if not the most high profile criminal cases in the last 25 years, but do you think the State goes after Chauvin again if there is a hung jury or a mistrial is declared or the case is remanded on appeal?

Thanks.
There's been over 35 million spent on this trial, including the fortifications and not including the settlement with the family.

2022 is an election year. I think that factors in heavily on whether they want a retrial.

Meanwhile, depending on this verdict comes out, the three remaining officers' trial will be impacted. Might be a huge one (cases dismissed) or a minor one (certain charges dismissed.) Their alleged culpability is almost entirely derivative from Chauvin's actions.


Although the most recent statements won't impact Chauvin, surely Cahill has to consider these flagrant statements as being significant grounds for mistrial?
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10:25a, 4/20/21
How long do we expect them to deliberate? I know its very subjective
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In reply to SpreadsheetAg • 10:25a, 4/20/21
SpreadsheetAg said:
How long do we expect them to deliberate? I know its very subjective


About 2 more weeks
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