wbt5845 said:
So, thoughts on how we should be prepared, other than have plenty of ammo? I cannot carry at work, nor have a firearm in my car, so I have to pay close attention to my travel routes to and from work.
I would say no they did not. Nelson was quite effective at using the reasonable police officer standard to characterize his actions under the totality of the circumstances as not being culpably negligent insofar as he was following his training and experience.Cassius said:4stringAg said:
No chance that all 12 members of the jury will find him not guilty. Manslaughter or hung is my guess.
Did they prove manslaughter beyond reasonable doubt?
We will have at least a couple hours heads up. Trust me, I'm getting out of downtown anywhere prior to decision.wbt5845 said:
So, thoughts on how we should be prepared, other than have plenty of ammo? I cannot carry at work, nor have a firearm in my car, so I have to pay close attention to my travel routes to and from work.
Troglodyte said:We will have at least a couple hours heads up. Trust me, I'm getting out of downtown anywhere prior to decision.wbt5845 said:
So, thoughts on how we should be prepared, other than have plenty of ammo? I cannot carry at work, nor have a firearm in my car, so I have to pay close attention to my travel routes to and from work.
x2gibby03 said:
Appreciate you Hawg, really enjoy reading your posts. Very interested in seeing this outcome.
I assume they don't have the option of falling back to negligence, failure to render aid, etc? I think Chauvin could have done more and seemed to not care about Floyd's fate, but I don't think he's guilty of murder.HTownAg98 said:
The problem is you sometimes get the fallback position of "he has to be guilty of SOMETHING," so they convict on that.
it depends on whether they want Chauvin to walk out of the courtroom a free hotel:isitjustme said:Depends on how good the jury meals are. Likely not long since in MN.bevokilla said:
Any estimate on when we can expect a verdict?
depends on his read of the jury. If he makes them go past Friday, I would be shocked.third coast.. said:
And if deadlocked how long will Cahill make them keep deliberating?
Troglodyte said:We will have at least a couple hours heads up. Trust me, I'm getting out of downtown anywhere prior to decision.wbt5845 said:
So, thoughts on how we should be prepared, other than have plenty of ammo? I cannot carry at work, nor have a firearm in my car, so I have to pay close attention to my travel routes to and from work.
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Eric Nelson has been the sole in-court lawyer defending Chauvin for the last three weeks. When America's biggest and best law firms lined up to represent Islamic terrorists at Guantanamo Bay, for free, they were applauded with the pious reflection that everyone deserves a legal defense. That principle does not apply, however, to police officers. I cannot imagine the abuse to which Mr. Nelson has been subjected over the past weeks or the legitimate fear for his own safety that he must feel.
It happens that there is another Minneapolis lawyer named Eric Nelson. (That name is no doubt more common in Minnesota than most places.) This Eric Nelson is a family lawyer who has nothing at all to do with the Floyd case, yet he has been bombarded with angry and threatening messages from leftists. While the "real" Eric Nelson was delivering his closing argument, the second Eric Nelson received these emails:Also this voicemail:Quote:
From: john sparo
Subject: george floyd case
Date: April 19, 2021 at 12:30:47 PM CDT
To: "enelson@-"
i just want you to know you'll always be remembered as one of the most scummy racist attorney ****s for the rest of ur **** life. either way this case goes people are going i hate you for the rest of your life becuase you're obviously a racist sticking up for another racist clown police officer who was high on power, who also had more than 3 prior physical incidents against him for too much use of physical force. you better hope chauvin goes to prison or there isn't a mistrial because if so you'll see riots you've never seen before and i'm sure there will be people looking for you and your client. good luck.
From: george dorey
Subject: George floyd
Date: April 19, 2021 at 12:30:07 PM CDT
To: "enelson@"
Reply-To: george dorey
I watched your closing arguments.and your speech is full of **** .most of what you said was partially purgery some attorney you are
Get a life .he needs to be put away or this outcome will be a disaster for for city ..haha
Sent from Yahoo Mail on AndroidOne can only imagine the volume of threats and abuse that the "right" Eric Nelson has received and will continue to receive, especially if the jury fails to do the mob's bidding. While I have been critical of some aspects of his handling of Chauvin's defense, I take my hat off to him for his courage.Quote:
Voicemail from (503) 878-9449 for phone number (612)
24 seconds
"Yeah this is Eric Nelson the one that's on TV right now during the trial. Trying to get this call off that murder the guy piece of []. You piece of []. []. Don't let me run across you."
Fully understand that. I was just saying that in my review of the evidence, I'm not seeing culpable negligence and thought Nelson did a sufficient job on that.HTownAg98 said:
The problem is you sometimes get the fallback position of "he has to be guilty of SOMETHING," so they convict on that.
What is it they say---- the longer it goes to better it looks for the defense?third coast.. said:
How long donyallbthibk it will be until we hear something?
Cassius said:4stringAg said:
No chance that all 12 members of the jury will find him not guilty. Manslaughter or hung is my guess.
Did they prove manslaughter beyond reasonable doubt?
You mean this person?nortex97 said:
Absurd mistrial hasn't been declared since James Brown's hairpiece's comments.
I just want to add this. Cahill is in the process of debriefing the two alternates. He might be getting an earful, much more than he expects.ThunderCougarFalconBird said:depends on his read of the jury. If he makes them go past Friday, I would be shocked.third coast.. said:
And if deadlocked how long will Cahill make them keep deliberating?
I wanted to dress like this to my "DoD mandated extremism down day"..StandUpforAmerica said:You mean this person?nortex97 said:
Absurd mistrial hasn't been declared since James Brown's hairpiece's comments.
I would say so. The consensus is societal pressure is likely to provide a guilty verdict on all counts. The longer they deliberate, the likely there's one person holding on to innocence.Clob94 said:What is it they say---- the longer it goes to better it looks for the defense?third coast.. said:
How long donyallbthibk it will be until we hear something?
Or at least reasonable doubt. "deliberate murder" is a stretch here, and I think that should be plain for anybody to see.NewOldAg said:I would say so. The consensus is societal pressure is likely to provide a guilty verdict on all counts. The longer they deliberate, the likely there's one person holding on to innocence.Clob94 said:What is it they say---- the longer it goes to better it looks for the defense?third coast.. said:
How long donyallbthibk it will be until we hear something?
After giving it serious thought and thorough research, I discovered that that's actually the standard.Satellite of Love said:
I had to put this here too:
curious to see if we ever get to hear about this. The best part of jury trials was when you got to talk to jurors after the verdict. Really helpful.aggiehawg said:I just want to add this. Cahill is in the process of debriefing the two alternates. He might be getting an earful, much more than he expects.ThunderCougarFalconBird said:depends on his read of the jury. If he makes them go past Friday, I would be shocked.third coast.. said:
And if deadlocked how long will Cahill make them keep deliberating?
Absolutely, but Minnesota doesn't require "deliberate" murder, just a "substantial contribution" to a death, which has a cap of sentencing of 40 years.slyfox07 said:Or at least reasonable doubt. "deliberate murder" is a stretch here, and I think that should be plain for anybody to see.NewOldAg said:I would say so. The consensus is societal pressure is likely to provide a guilty verdict on all counts. The longer they deliberate, the likely there's one person holding on to innocence.Clob94 said:What is it they say---- the longer it goes to better it looks for the defense?third coast.. said:
How long donyallbthibk it will be until we hear something?