*****VERDICT WATCH CHAUVIN TRIAL*****

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mazag08
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In reply to Waffledynamics • 1:21a, 4/20/21
Just read a daily post by our own local marxists and go visit a Sully sidewalk chalk and cheesecake rally on campus.

Then you'll see why racists like Waters and Pelosi are elected.
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7:05a, 4/20/21
Think it comes back today?
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HTownAg98
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In reply to BlackLab • 7:15a, 4/20/21
No.
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7:16a, 4/20/21
If it comes back today, I assume that's probably bad for Chauvin?
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7:17a, 4/20/21
I hope it doesn't come back until after work. I want to watch the burning of the twins cities live.
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In reply to SwigAg11 • 7:17a, 4/20/21
SwigAg11 said:
If it comes back today, I assume that's probably bad for Chauvin?


I think the sooner the verdict, the more likely it's guilty.
One day at a time.
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7:22a, 4/20/21
how long are deliberations each day? similar to the court about 9-5?
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In reply to aginlakeway • 7:22a, 4/20/21
aginlakeway said:
SwigAg11 said:
If it comes back today, I assume that's probably bad for Chauvin?


I think the sooner the verdict, the more likely it's guilty.

Conversely, I guess it's always possible that Nelson's closing arguments were very resounding to the jury.
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In reply to 4stringAg • 7:24a, 4/20/21
4stringAg said:
Rapier108 said:





Two of the most pathetic excuses for humans in this country. Liars and trash scum.
Wait, what?!? It's ok to be confrontational if it is for the "correct cause"? What the actual f/ck are those idiots thinking?
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7:53a, 4/20/21
What's funny, and sad, with Maxine Waters is she is representing her constiuancy perfectly.
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7:59a, 4/20/21
Fast return is guilty.

Slow return is hung or guilty.
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In reply to 4stringAg • 8:01a, 4/20/21
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Rapier108 said:





Two of the most pathetic excuses for humans in this country. Liars and trash scum.
Another gift to America from the left-wing idiots in California.

Truly there should be a maximum age limit for representatives and senators - maybe 70 years old. I am sick of these 35-40 year plus lifers in Congress screwing up this country. If you can't go to Washington and get it done in 12 years, it's time to move along and let someone else have a shot.
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In reply to Waffledynamics • 8:30a, 4/20/21
Waffledynamics said:
This is next level trash. How does our country keep electing such disgusting people?

Waters and Pelosi need to learn their place in the world. They are public servants. No more, no less.


what's a "public servant"? not sure i've seen many examples in my lifetime.
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8:34a, 4/20/21
Reporting today is that Cahill told the jury they could set their own schedule. After retiring at 8pm last night (it had been a very long day for them) they opted to start early at 8am this morning. I consider that a sign that they are engaged and ready to work.

Last night, with around 4 hours to deliberate, they got the housekeeping matters taken care of. Selected a foreperson and likely got the training on the computer system wherein they can pull exhibits and put them on a large screen for discussion. Because of the way Cahill has structured their deliberations in that way, I don't expect a lot of questions from the jury to the judge. They have access to everything in the deliberation room.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 8:38a, 4/20/21
Had the use of these computer systems in jury deliberation rooms become prevalent before, or was it COVID that had courthouses add them?
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8:39a, 4/20/21
I'm extremely hopeful that this jury sees the reasonable doubt bar was not met and fully acquits.
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In reply to fixer • 8:49a, 4/20/21
Likewise...hopeful that there is one juror who truly understands reasonable doubt.

But there will be riots. Bears watching...
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8:50a, 4/20/21
The 15 jurors selected for the trial of Derek Chauvin - ABC News (go.com)

I know its ABC but its concise, list of the jurors (96 and 118 were excused) there are a handful in there that I think will be pretty fair. At least I hope so
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8:51a, 4/20/21
Jury back in deliberations
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8:53a, 4/20/21
How many of the jurors are democrats? That will inform us of their level of idiocy.

100% of the OJ jury were democrats, BTW. That explains a lot.
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8:55a, 4/20/21
I was thinking about being a member of this jury and what I'd do. All hypothetical, because the prosecution would've never let me on (demographics + analytical mind on top of not being a Minneapolis resident).

After the initial vote, I'd find a fellow jury member who voted guilty on murder who weighed somewhere around 170# and told them to crush the life out of me. If I was still conscious in 4 minutes and alive in 9, then we're looking at a multifactorial death and need to start looking at percentages of each contributing element. If I wake up to the nurse reviving me, then I'll vote to convict.
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In reply to [removed post] • 8:58a, 4/20/21
third coast.. said:
i think the fact that they are still deliberating at all is good because if they took a straw poll off the bat and found him guilty then they wouldnt even need to come back/

It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't even bother with a straw poll last night with how long the day went. Just call it a night and start fresh in the morning.

Now, a straw poll as a first order of business this morning seems very reasonable.
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In reply to SwigAg11 • 8:59a, 4/20/21
SwigAg11 said:
Had the use of these computer systems in jury deliberation rooms become prevalent before, or was it COVID that had courthouses add them?
No idea. I infer that Minnesota hasn't used trial transcripts for awhile because I saw that in the jury instructions for the Noor case, which was pre-covid.

Will say using that format streamlines the process by a lot as the jury does not need to be trouped back in to the courtroom to view a video exhibit on the courtroom screen. Because of all of the money being hurled at this trial and phony covid protocols adapting that format for all trials going forward if not in use already would be a positive thing.
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In reply to SwigAg11 • 9:00a, 4/20/21
SwigAg11 said:
third coast.. said:
i think the fact that they are still deliberating at all is good because if they took a straw poll off the bat and found him guilty then they wouldnt even need to come back/

It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't even bother with a straw poll last night with how long the day went. Just call it a night and start fresh in the morning.

Now, a straw poll as a first order of business this morning seems very reasonable.
They deliberated for about 4 hours last night before going to the hotel, so they are talking about something.
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In reply to Rapier108 • 9:05a, 4/20/21
The "civil rights" movement has always been violent.
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SwigAg11
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9:05a, 4/20/21
Sorry, I was basing my comment off of Ms Hawg's comments about the jurors selecting a foreman and figuring out the computer systems. Four hours may be a little long to just do those two things.
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In reply to Nonregdrummer09 • 9:06a, 4/20/21
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They deliberated for about 4 hours last night before going to the hotel, so they are talking about something.
Sometimes, the longest deliberation is electing the foreperson!
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9:08a, 4/20/21
4 hours is enough to watch a 9 minute video about 27 times
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9:10a, 4/20/21
4 hours was approximately the same amount of time it took Schleicher to get to his point.
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In reply to aginlakeway • 9:10a, 4/20/21
aginlakeway said:
SwigAg11 said:
If it comes back today, I assume that's probably bad for Chauvin?


I think the sooner the verdict, the more likely it's guilty.
Operating under the assumption that at least one bad faith juror is in the mix, I tend to agree.

Whether it's that they have seen the threat, been cautioned by family, inferred the threat, been outright blackmailed, is an ideologue, or simply has a 100% emotion / 0% reasoning brain - I assume there's at least one juror who is all in on a guilty conviction.

So a long deliberation likely means that faction is butting heads with the not-guilty faction on AT LEAST the stretch charges, while a short deliberation means that they all fell inline with a guilty charge.
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9:10a, 4/20/21
I watched Hill Street Blues last night and a white cop shot a black teenager who was robbing a store. Guess what. Large riot at 4 in the morning. Snipers on the roof shooting cops.

This is all a big tv episode.
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In reply to SwigAg11 • 9:14a, 4/20/21
SwigAg11 said:
Sorry, I was basing my comment off of Ms Hawg's comments about the jurors selecting a foreman and figuring out the computer systems. Four hours may be a little long to just do those two things.
There are a few more housekeeping matters they take care of after selecting the foreperson. They discuss and decide on the processes they will use to allow all jurors a chance to voice their views and questions. If they want to take a straw vote or not per count before or after discussion, for instance.

Personally I have never like the idea of straw votes early in the process. People don't like having to admit they are wrong so much. One of the questions that Nelson used during voir dire in jury selection. Can you admit when you are wrong?
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