Times like this really highlight when they really shouldn't trust the suspect. Warning: this is pretty upsetting at the end. The guy plays dumb with them the whole time, too.
Waffledynamics said:
Times like this really highlight when they really shouldn't trust the suspect. Warning: this is pretty upsetting at the end. The guy plays dumb with them the whole time, too.
Regulating Use of ForceQuote:
"Currently, what is generally the requirement in most police departments in most states is kind of a sliding scale [of force] that leaves a great deal of discretion to officers," says Suzanne Luban, a clinical supervising attorney and lecturer at Stanford Law School. "So officers are told to use the degree of force they deem reasonably necessary under the circumstances, and usually the part that's not said, but it is included in that, is to attain compliance."
But as Luban notes, "compliance" isn't always worth potentially maiming or killing someone, especially when the underlying crime is a petty misdemeanor. She cites cases like Israel Hernandez-Llach, an 18-year-old graffiti artist who died after being tased by Miami Beach police in 2013. The Miami state attorney found the use of force was legally justified, although the Miami Beach Police Department later settled a civil lawsuit filed by Hernandez-Llach's family.
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He says the video contradicts two things that Tulsa Police have said, one; that Ware fired three additional rounds into Sergeant. Craig Johnson, and two; that he walked away.
So who else could have shot the officer? This is sick.Fenrir said:
Btw guys attorney wanted video releasedQuote:
He says the video contradicts two things that Tulsa Police have said, one; that Ware fired three additional rounds into Sergeant. Craig Johnson, and two; that he walked away.
I can t say I agree with his claims.
As a former LEO, my rule is comply or die. You want to fight, that happens in court.Pelayo said:
Read this today, not wholly applicable here but does make a very good point.Regulating Use of ForceQuote:
"Currently, what is generally the requirement in most police departments in most states is kind of a sliding scale [of force] that leaves a great deal of discretion to officers," says Suzanne Luban, a clinical supervising attorney and lecturer at Stanford Law School. "So officers are told to use the degree of force they deem reasonably necessary under the circumstances, and usually the part that's not said, but it is included in that, is to attain compliance."
But as Luban notes, "compliance" isn't always worth potentially maiming or killing someone, especially when the underlying crime is a petty misdemeanor. She cites cases like Israel Hernandez-Llach, an 18-year-old graffiti artist who died after being tased by Miami Beach police in 2013. The Miami state attorney found the use of force was legally justified, although the Miami Beach Police Department later settled a civil lawsuit filed by Hernandez-Llach's family.
If they fight with me? Yes. I never cited anyone for jay walking by the way.Pelayo said:
Comply or die?
Does that include someone you are citing for jay walking?
Do doctors not read anymore? I said fight. We can try some synonyms: resist, combat, grapple.Pelayo said:That's interesting to me. So if the jay walker ignored your commands and kept walking maybe even runs away they are at risk of dying for not being compliant?The_Fox said:If they fight with me? Yes. I never cited anyone for jay walking by the way.Pelayo said:
Comply or die?
Does that include someone you are citing for jay walking?
I was a fed for most of my time so it was felonies. But this growing wave of resisting the police needs to be snuffed out. You fight in court. Period.
The_Fox said:As a former LEO who survived, my rule is comply or die. You want to fight, that happens in court.Pelayo said:
Read this today, not wholly applicable here but does make a very good point.Regulating Use of ForceQuote:
"Currently, what is generally the requirement in most police departments in most states is kind of a sliding scale [of force] that leaves a great deal of discretion to officers," says Suzanne Luban, a clinical supervising attorney and lecturer at Stanford Law School. "So officers are told to use the degree of force they deem reasonably necessary under the circumstances, and usually the part that's not said, but it is included in that, is to attain compliance."
But as Luban notes, "compliance" isn't always worth potentially maiming or killing someone, especially when the underlying crime is a petty misdemeanor. She cites cases like Israel Hernandez-Llach, an 18-year-old graffiti artist who died after being tased by Miami Beach police in 2013. The Miami state attorney found the use of force was legally justified, although the Miami Beach Police Department later settled a civil lawsuit filed by Hernandez-Llach's family.
I guess they should have let a few more show up, cuff him, put a spit hood on and wait for the ambulance. Ask the Rochester cops how that works,Infection_Ag11 said:
Shooter needs to get the needle, but in hindsight the officers would have been better served holding back and waiting for more help. He clearly wasn't going anywhere, and even if they hadn't been shot all of that wasn't worth it over such a petty offense.
JB99 said:
In hindsight what could they have done different?