China Coronavirus Outbreak Spreads; Hundreds Infected As Human-To-Human Transmission

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VaultingChemist said:

Posting this because it is reportedly what Congress is being told.

Congressional doctor predicts 70-150 million U.S. coronavirus cases


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Congress' in-house doctor told Capitol Hill staffers at a close-door meeting this week that he expects 70-150 million people in the U.S. roughly a third of the country to contract the coronavirus, two sources briefed on the meeting tell Axios.

Dr. Brian Monahan, the attending physician of the U.S. Congress, told Senate chiefs of staff, staff directors, administrative managers and chief clerks from both parties on Tuesday that they should prepare for the worst, and offered advice on how to remain healthy.

But other estimates, including statistical modeling from Harvard epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch, have said that somewhere between 20% and 60% of adults worldwide might catch the virus.


Fake news?
It is his opinion, just like all the other predictions out there.

It's also possible they asked him for a "worst case scenario" and that is the figure he provided.

Axios stories, given their propensity for fake news (very common during the Russia Collusion Delusion), should always be taken with a dose of salt.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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Even if you are young and feel invincible to this particular malady, hope you don't need care for some other issue if/when ICU demand spikes.
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WHO report also saying mainly transmitted by breathing, not even really coughing.
Getting whiplash from all the back and forth on this. Fomids, aerosols, droplets, fecal-oral, wish they'd make up their minds.

Or wish they'd just come out and say we have nfc, just don't be nasty and practice social distancing.

The truth is its probably all of the above. Influenza is aerosolized early on and more droplet later apparently. That study from Germany suggested this is probably similar - aerosol in early stage, droplets later. Poopoo the whole time.
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Spring Football games are next things to get cancelled.
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k2aggie07 said:


Or wish they'd just come out and say we have nfc, just don't be nasty and practice social distancing.



This. So much this. They are making it worse.
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AgStuckinLBK said:

WHO report saying that about 1-5% chance to infect others that a covid positive person comes in close contact with.

So about one in every 20-100 people a sick person comes in close contact will catch this.

WHO report also saying mainly transmitted by breathing, not even really coughing.
Damn...I already hate close talkers with a passion.


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Have they cancelled the Tokyo Olympics yet?
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Wycliffe_03 said:

k2aggie07 said:

No, he means if one person infects 20-30 at a game it could weak havoc. And that is very true.
If 20-30 people could get infected from one person at a basketball game, we are effed each year this virus pops up from her on out. We will basically all get this thing if it is even half THAT easily spread.
There's a freaking article showing a single dude got like 8 people sick on a bus in Hunan. That's some bullcrap right there.

Plus you know that it won't be the super conscientious person that goes to the game, carefully coughs into their sleeve or a tissue. It'll be some brochad superfan hacking everywhere because "HE CANT MISS THIS ITS OUR YEAR BRO" and high fiving everyone as he's in line to take a leak.
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Tbs2003 said:

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tysker said:

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I don't want to see the world burn but I wish we could get on with this and just get it over with.
Also maybe a question for separate thread and there are a lot of assumptions built into this question but

How many of us would be a willing infected right now and get it over with? Kinda like a chicken pox party...



Yes. I'm a 32 y/o nonsmoker with zero underlying health conditions. I've had hangovers last longer than this would lay me up.
OK, i'm with you now. I think I might prefer to just get it and get it over with.
You two just refuse to comprehend - it's not about the young people. It's about the older folks + other at-risk people to whom you might pass it (directly or indirectly) that will end up being hospitalized. If you want to get it and can assure everyone that you won't come in contact with ANYBODY once you've contracted the virus, then have at it. Otherwise, just stop with the willful ignorance


We were presented with a question and gave an answer. The question didn't stipulate "if you're XX years old" or "underlying health issues"
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BadMoonRisin said:

Have they cancelled the Tokyo Olympics yet?
No, and the president of the Tokyo Olympic Committee said the member who claimed the games would probably be postponed for 1-2 years is basically full of crap.

They're keeping an eye on it right now, but since the games don't start until July 24th, they're keeping all options open right now. Nothing has been decided.
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There's a real issue of testing in this country. Looks like the US is one of those countries you can't trust to tell you how bad it really is.
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My work hasn't slowed down. Still have deadlines and more work coming in!
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I Have Spoken said:

Even if you are young and feel invincible to this particular malady, hope you don't need care for some other issue if/when ICU demand spikes.
Is there a check box so that we can just disable all car accidents for the next 6 months?
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There's a real issue of testing in this country. Looks like the US is one of those countries you can't trust to tell you how bad it really is.
ARC in Austin is testing people for Covid-19. You want the impossible. No one knows how bad or good things are yet.
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But where does it stop? What is considered a large public gathering? Anything over 500 people? 1,000 people?
Thus far, 92 people who have tested positive for COVID-19 have been linked to a 2-day company conference of a couple hundred Biogen execs in Boston in early March.

How many of those who attended were already infected and either asymptomatic or not feeling symptoms yet, we don't know.
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TexAgs91 said:

There's a real issue of testing in this country. Looks like the US is one of those countries you can't trust to tell you how bad it really is.
Hate to break it to you but the government's primary concern is not saving lives but panic management. Governments like to exist. Panic is a greater threat to their existence than people dying. Keeping a lid on panic is priority one for the CDC, WHO, chicoms, and others. Whether you get deathly ill or not is not so much their concern so long as they can keep you relatively calm
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and that's why these cancellations and maintaining personal distances are needed

most people aren't in close contact with 100 people a day

i think you can really flatten the curve by cancelling church and school and sporting events
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as soon as you pop a fever, you need to stay away from people and call your doctor
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Rapier108 said:

VaultingChemist said:

Posting this because it is reportedly what Congress is being told.

Congressional doctor predicts 70-150 million U.S. coronavirus cases


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Congress' in-house doctor told Capitol Hill staffers at a close-door meeting this week that he expects 70-150 million people in the U.S. roughly a third of the country to contract the coronavirus, two sources briefed on the meeting tell Axios.

Dr. Brian Monahan, the attending physician of the U.S. Congress, told Senate chiefs of staff, staff directors, administrative managers and chief clerks from both parties on Tuesday that they should prepare for the worst, and offered advice on how to remain healthy.

But other estimates, including statistical modeling from Harvard epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch, have said that somewhere between 20% and 60% of adults worldwide might catch the virus.


Fake news?
It is his opinion, just like all the other predictions out there.

It's also possible they asked him for a "worst case scenario" and that is the figure he provided.

Axios stories, given their propensity for fake news (very common during the Russia Collusion Delusion), should always be taken with a dose of salt.
I agree about Axios, but I also think Dr. Monahan is overstating the number of infections by a multiple of 3 or more. He is not factoring in the number of NPIs that will deployed as the outbreaks occur.
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Wycliffe_03 said:

k2aggie07 said:

No, he means if one person infects 20-30 at a game it could weak havoc. And that is very true.
If 20-30 people could get infected from one person at a basketball game, we are effed each year this virus pops up from her on out. We will basically all get this thing if it is even half THAT easily spread.
Not necessarily. Herd immunity of the overall population would gradually lower the defacto R0.
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I got swine flu as a healthy high school student and it had me close to immobile for a week.
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IrishTxAggie said:

Tbs2003 said:

FriscoKid said:

IrishTxAggie said:

tysker said:

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I don't want to see the world burn but I wish we could get on with this and just get it over with.
Also maybe a question for separate thread and there are a lot of assumptions built into this question but

How many of us would be a willing infected right now and get it over with? Kinda like a chicken pox party...



Yes. I'm a 32 y/o nonsmoker with zero underlying health conditions. I've had hangovers last longer than this would lay me up.
OK, i'm with you now. I think I might prefer to just get it and get it over with.
You two just refuse to comprehend - it's not about the young people. It's about the older folks + other at-risk people to whom you might pass it (directly or indirectly) that will end up being hospitalized. If you want to get it and can assure everyone that you won't come in contact with ANYBODY once you've contracted the virus, then have at it. Otherwise, just stop with the willful ignorance


We were presented with a question and gave an answer. The question didn't stipulate "if you're XX years old" or "underlying health issues"
Fair enough. Then my semi-ragey response should have been directed at Tysker, who framed the question in a way that perpetuates the whole "I'll be fine anyway, so don't screw up my economy" mindset. Apologies if I took it out on you.
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cone said:

you might think this is crazy right now, but this "overreaction" is going to save a bunch of lives

it's going to make May less of a hellscape

The irony is that if you're right and these precautions do work (we'll never fully know to what extent they do) and this thing is tamped down in several weeks, then everyone will be saying "see?!?!?! All those bans/cancellations were POINTLESS!!!"
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DirtyMikesBoys said:

I got swine flu as a healthy high school student and it had me close to immobile for a week.
Ok. Most of the thousands I treated weren't as bad as you.
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DirtyMikesBoys said:

I got swine flu as a healthy high school student and it had me close to immobile for a week.
Out of college for a few years and it did the same to me.
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Rapier108 said:

k2aggie07 said:

FriscoKid said:

Does one person on a plane infect the whole plane? That's much more "shared air".
Actually that's probably not true. Airplanes use HEPA filters and frequent air changes. Much more likely to get infected in the airport.
Exactly. Airplanes have not been good vectors for transmission in a long time due to the heavy filtration used on the recirculated air. As an example, the Boeing 787 has 15 HEPA filters installed in its air system. This is in addition to using less recirculated air than other models of aircraft due to the bleedless air intake system.

The people most at risk of contracting something on a plane are the flight attendants, or those sitting next to a sick person.
This. Modern airliner air filtration completely replaces cabin air about once every four minutes. There may be possible spread to passengers in the immediate vicinity of an infected person, but it won't likely go beyond that unless that person hacks on folks while walking up and down the aisle, deposits it in multiple lavs, etc.
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so whats the over/under on Trump declaring a national emergency or national quarantine from the Oval office tonight?
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Did they use the same calculator Pelosi used to come up with the 500 million a month job losses?

They probably used Joe Biden's "150 million gun deaths" calculator.
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nukeaggie2000 said:

so whats the over/under on Trump declaring a national emergency or national quarantine from the Oval office tonight?
I'd say pretty low. Let the states call emergencies as needed at this time. A Federal declaration would unnecessarily destroy the markets IMHO.
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cone said:

as soon as you pop a fever, you need to stay away from people and call your doctor
read this as "poop a fever" and thought yeah dude that sounds legitimately bad
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Its Not Rocket Surgery said:

Rapier108 said:

k2aggie07 said:

FriscoKid said:

Does one person on a plane infect the whole plane? That's much more "shared air".
Actually that's probably not true. Airplanes use HEPA filters and frequent air changes. Much more likely to get infected in the airport.
Exactly. Airplanes have not been good vectors for transmission in a long time due to the heavy filtration used on the recirculated air. As an example, the Boeing 787 has 15 HEPA filters installed in its air system. This is in addition to using less recirculated air than other models of aircraft due to the bleedless air intake system.

The people most at risk of contracting something on a plane are the flight attendants, or those sitting next to a sick person.
This. Modern airliner air filtration completely replaces cabin air about once every four minutes. There may be possible spread to passengers in the immediate vicinity of an infected person, but it won't likely go beyond that unless that person hacks on folks while walking up and down the aisle, deposits it in multiple lavs, etc.


Reading while on an airplane.
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The evolution of this thread has been fascinating.
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Dope. No one said you were lying. Come on down from that high horse, we common folk without an MD aren't so bad.
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100%

i've always thought the ultimate death toll will look like a really bad flu season (50k+) but we're going to go into a recession to keep it that low and people are going to **** all over the damage we took to get there
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