It's "presumed positive" which means a result from the test kit showed positive, but they're waiting on the CDC to run their lab test which is will be definitive.aggiehawg said:Do we even know for sure the Montgomery County guy actually has CV, yet?Rapier108 said:As of now, that is correct, one from Italy, the rest from the Nile cruise in Egypt. They're still investigating the guy in Montgomery County to see if they can figure out how he got it.Stat Monitor Repairman said:
Just heard that all of the Houston cases were thought to be from foreign travel ... except for one dude who had not traveled but appearently had gone to the Houston Rodeo cook off.
Trying to follow this but it is getting more and more difficult as time goes by.
Bo Darville said:rgag12 said:Bo Darville said:rgag12 said:Bo Darville said:I Have Spoken said:IrishTxAggie said:
Guessing we have finally hit a tipping point, and this will be a serious statement on the matter.
Great, now Trump is on the liberal media conspiracy to prevent his own election. Someone should tell him this Is just the flu.
It's tired. Just stop
Nah, people parroting this dumb crap need their faces shoved in it.
Making statements like that make you look like the one people shouldn't take seriously, not the person you are trying to make fun of.
You are free to take posters as serious as you wish.
This seems to be more infectious and more deadly than the 2009 swine flu. And it was a big deal at the time. The biggest difference is that swine flu was an influenza A variant which means we have some baseline herd immunity against it.UpstateAg said:
60 million cases worldwide in one year. 40 million more in the ten years following. Yeah, not dead, but this won't die after a year either. Yet, we don't really hear about the ole swine flu, do we? And how long did it take for the US to take White house action? And where was this type of panic? These numbers won't be near that (over a quarter million hospitalized in the US, 12k dead in the US, children mortality between the two)
FriscoKid said:You think that a person can get the entire stadium sick? Even three or four rows away would be an amazing feat. Next section over? Really?k2aggie07 said:
There are literal orders of magnitudes of difference in the number of people simultaneously in close quarters in a basketball arena vs a restaurant. As well as the geographic footprint of attendees drawn to an NCAA tournament game.
I treated a couple of thousand people with swine flu that year, it was milder in severity than the seasonal flu.UpstateAg said:
That's why, we should introduce a bill to reduce all vehicles to a maximum speed of 5 mph. We will flatten the curb of the 35,000 traffic deaths America suffers every year.
This guy gets it better than probably 99% people here. His message ti the public-wash your freaking hands, and consider where your outrage was during the swine flu in 2009, which killed WAY more.
rgag12 said:Bo Darville said:rgag12 said:Bo Darville said:rgag12 said:Bo Darville said:I Have Spoken said:IrishTxAggie said:
Guessing we have finally hit a tipping point, and this will be a serious statement on the matter.
Great, now Trump is on the liberal media conspiracy to prevent his own election. Someone should tell him this Is just the flu.
It's tired. Just stop
Nah, people parroting this dumb crap need their faces shoved in it.
Making statements like that make you look like the one people shouldn't take seriously, not the person you are trying to make fun of.
You are free to take posters as serious as you wish.
Great. Good to know we shouldn't be taking you very seriously on this matter.
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This is what you can conclude:
- Countries that are prepared will see a fatality rate of ~0.5% (South Korea) to 0.9% (rest of China).
- Countries that are overwhelmed will have a fatality rate between ~3%-5%
Put in another way: Countries that act fast can reduce the number of deaths by ten. And that's just counting the fatality rate. Acting fast also drastically reduces the cases, making this even more of a no-brainer.
If 20-30 people are going to a single game then it's already widespread and we are all getting exposed to this or already have been.Bo Darville said:FriscoKid said:You think that a person can get the entire stadium sick? Even three or four rows away would be an amazing feat. Next section over? Really?k2aggie07 said:
There are literal orders of magnitudes of difference in the number of people simultaneously in close quarters in a basketball arena vs a restaurant. As well as the geographic footprint of attendees drawn to an NCAA tournament game.
1 person? Of course not. But 20 to 30 could wreak havoc.
Bo Darville said:rgag12 said:Bo Darville said:rgag12 said:Bo Darville said:rgag12 said:Bo Darville said:I Have Spoken said:IrishTxAggie said:
Guessing we have finally hit a tipping point, and this will be a serious statement on the matter.
Great, now Trump is on the liberal media conspiracy to prevent his own election. Someone should tell him this Is just the flu.
It's tired. Just stop
Nah, people parroting this dumb crap need their faces shoved in it.
Making statements like that make you look like the one people shouldn't take seriously, not the person you are trying to make fun of.
You are free to take posters as serious as you wish.
Great. Good to know we shouldn't be taking you very seriously on this matter.
I care very little as to what "just the flu"'ers think. A few days ago you literally told us this was "in the flu family".
techno-ag said:Thanks. The numbers really help put things in perspective.lead said:
---New deaths over the last 8 days in chronological order----
China: 38, 31, 30, 28, 27, 23, 17, 22. Total China deaths at 3162. China topped out at around 150 daily deaths.
Not China: 48, 53, 69, 78, 71, 202, 186, 258. Total 1130.
US: 4, 3, 1, 1, 0, 0, 8, 6. Total 25 (WHO numbers).
New Italy deaths: 28, 27, 41, 49, 37, 132, 97, 168. Total 631.
But where does it stop? What is considered a large public gathering? Anything over 500 people? 1,000 people?PJYoung said:FriscoKid said:
I'm being quit serious. If you think that outdoor parades and bb games in huge arenas are so dangerous then you need to close down restaurants and department stores.
FriscoKid said:If 20-30 people are going to a single game then it's already widespread and we are all getting exposed to this or already have been.Bo Darville said:FriscoKid said:You think that a person can get the entire stadium sick? Even three or four rows away would be an amazing feat. Next section over? Really?k2aggie07 said:
There are literal orders of magnitudes of difference in the number of people simultaneously in close quarters in a basketball arena vs a restaurant. As well as the geographic footprint of attendees drawn to an NCAA tournament game.
1 person? Of course not. But 20 to 30 could wreak havoc.
CrazyRichAggie said:But where does it stop? What is considered a large public gathering? Anything over 500 people? 1,000 people?PJYoung said:FriscoKid said:
I'm being quit serious. If you think that outdoor parades and bb games in huge arenas are so dangerous then you need to close down restaurants and department stores.
Actually that's probably not true. Airplanes use HEPA filters and frequent air changes. Much more likely to get infected in the airport.FriscoKid said:
Does one person on a plane infect the whole plane? That's much more "shared air".
OK, i'm with you now. I think I might prefer to just get it and get it over with.IrishTxAggie said:tysker said:Also maybe a question for separate thread and there are a lot of assumptions built into this question butQuote:
I don't want to see the world burn but I wish we could get on with this and just get it over with.
How many of us would be a willing infected right now and get it over with? Kinda like a chicken pox party...
Yes. I'm a 32 y/o nonsmoker with zero underlying health conditions. I've had hangovers last longer than this would lay me up.
This is exactly the point. We don't know the actual R naught because a large percentage of these cases are mild. It is definitely high, much higher than the flu. Lets say even 5% are hospitalizations then you're going to overwhelm the hospitals from people who don't know they're sick infecting large numbers of these people at sporting events movie theatres and so forth. Shutting down larger public gatherings will slow the progress of this stuff. Is it going to prevent the spread? Not without draconian measures a lot of people won't comply with willingly. If you can't do that then you're going to have to at least spread out the impact and not overwhelm the hospitals and so forth.Bo Darville said:FriscoKid said:If 20-30 people are going to a single game then it's already widespread and we are all getting exposed to this or already have been.Bo Darville said:FriscoKid said:You think that a person can get the entire stadium sick? Even three or four rows away would be an amazing feat. Next section over? Really?k2aggie07 said:
There are literal orders of magnitudes of difference in the number of people simultaneously in close quarters in a basketball arena vs a restaurant. As well as the geographic footprint of attendees drawn to an NCAA tournament game.
1 person? Of course not. But 20 to 30 could wreak havoc.
It is already widespread. The idea isn't to prevent us all to get it. It's to ease the sudden burden on hospitals and ICU;s.
You two just refuse to comprehend - it's not about the young people. It's about the older folks + other at-risk people to whom you might pass it (directly or indirectly) that will end up being hospitalized. If you want to get it and can assure everyone that you won't come in contact with ANYBODY once you've contracted the virus, then have at it. Otherwise, just stop with the willful ignoranceFriscoKid said:OK, i'm with you now. I think I might prefer to just get it and get it over with.IrishTxAggie said:tysker said:Also maybe a question for separate thread and there are a lot of assumptions built into this question butQuote:
I don't want to see the world burn but I wish we could get on with this and just get it over with.
How many of us would be a willing infected right now and get it over with? Kinda like a chicken pox party...
Yes. I'm a 32 y/o nonsmoker with zero underlying health conditions. I've had hangovers last longer than this would lay me up.
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Congress' in-house doctor told Capitol Hill staffers at a close-door meeting this week that he expects 70-150 million people in the U.S. roughly a third of the country to contract the coronavirus, two sources briefed on the meeting tell Axios.
Dr. Brian Monahan, the attending physician of the U.S. Congress, told Senate chiefs of staff, staff directors, administrative managers and chief clerks from both parties on Tuesday that they should prepare for the worst, and offered advice on how to remain healthy.
But other estimates, including statistical modeling from Harvard epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch, have said that somewhere between 20% and 60% of adults worldwide might catch the virus.
Could be what the address to the nation is all about.VaultingChemist said:
Posting this because it is reportedly what Congress is being told.
Congressional doctor predicts 70-150 million U.S. coronavirus casesQuote:
Congress' in-house doctor told Capitol Hill staffers at a close-door meeting this week that he expects 70-150 million people in the U.S. roughly a third of the country to contract the coronavirus, two sources briefed on the meeting tell Axios.
Dr. Brian Monahan, the attending physician of the U.S. Congress, told Senate chiefs of staff, staff directors, administrative managers and chief clerks from both parties on Tuesday that they should prepare for the worst, and offered advice on how to remain healthy.
But other estimates, including statistical modeling from Harvard epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch, have said that somewhere between 20% and 60% of adults worldwide might catch the virus.
Fake news?
Did they use the same calculator Pelosi used to come up with the 500 million a month job losses?VaultingChemist said:
Posting this because it is reportedly what Congress is being told.
Congressional doctor predicts 70-150 million U.S. coronavirus casesQuote:
Congress' in-house doctor told Capitol Hill staffers at a close-door meeting this week that he expects 70-150 million people in the U.S. roughly a third of the country to contract the coronavirus, two sources briefed on the meeting tell Axios.
Dr. Brian Monahan, the attending physician of the U.S. Congress, told Senate chiefs of staff, staff directors, administrative managers and chief clerks from both parties on Tuesday that they should prepare for the worst, and offered advice on how to remain healthy.
But other estimates, including statistical modeling from Harvard epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch, have said that somewhere between 20% and 60% of adults worldwide might catch the virus.
Fake news?
Exactly. Airplanes have not been good vectors for transmission in a long time due to the heavy filtration used on the recirculated air. As an example, the Boeing 787 has 15 HEPA filters installed in its air system. This is in addition to using less recirculated air than other models of aircraft due to the bleedless air intake system.k2aggie07 said:Actually that's probably not true. Airplanes use HEPA filters and frequent air changes. Much more likely to get infected in the airport.FriscoKid said:
Does one person on a plane infect the whole plane? That's much more "shared air".
If 20-30 people could get infected from one person at a basketball game, we are effed each year this virus pops up from her on out. We will basically all get this thing if it is even half THAT easily spread.k2aggie07 said:
No, he means if one person infects 20-30 at a game it could weak havoc. And that is very true.