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So the smart people schools are canceling everything?

Well, looks like this is another victory for the League of Shadows.

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I don't want to see the world burn but I wish we could get on with this and just get it over with.

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Also maybe a question for separate thread and there are a lot of assumptions built into this question but

How many of us would be a willing infected right now and get it over with? Kinda like a chicken pox party...

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I don't want to see the world burn but I wish we could get on with this and just get it over with.

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Also maybe a question for separate thread and there are a lot of assumptions built into this question but

How many of us would be a willing infected right now and get it over with? Kinda like a chicken pox party...

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Yes. I'm a 32 y/o nonsmoker with zero underlying health conditions. I've had hangovers last longer than this would lay me up.

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How many of us would be a willing infected right now and get it over with? Kinda like a chicken pox party...

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Just book a cruise, essentially the same thing.

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I don't want to see the world burn but I wish we could get on with this and just get it over with.

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Also maybe a question for separate thread and there are a lot of assumptions built into this question but

How many of us would be a willing infected right now and get it over with? Kinda like a chicken pox party...

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Yes. I'm a 32 y/o nonsmoker with zero underlying health conditions. I've had hangovers last longer than this would lay me up.

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What about the testicular swelling that comes with it as a side effect?

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today feels like a major major escalation

they must be seeing an iceberg somewhere

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So are all of your posts doom and gloom? Just curious ...

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How many of us would be a willing infected right now and get it over with? Kinda like a chicken pox party...

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Username checks out

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So are all of your posts doom and gloom? Just curious ...

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They are, same for about 75% of the regulars on this thread, and 100% of those who never posted before on F16, but now live on this thread.

Blinn classes resume Monday. At least somebody's remaining calm in CStat.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28885087/governor-no-fans-ohio-ncaa-tournament-games

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Or the two to six week hospital vacay with free tubes stuck into your lungs.

But one could get lucky and just deal with a "mild" case of pneumonia, hospital stay included but no tubing.

Or you might just get the sniffles.

I swear, some of you think that anyone under 60 is practically untouched.

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The Lost Champion. ESPN 30 for 30 is ready.

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ESPN will be able to make one about Coronavirus alone when they cancel the Olympics and more.

Thanks. We're going to get through this and unfortunately many tears will be shed. I honestly think this virus along with the stock market drop and probable recession (not to mention pending election) is a double triple whammy for the over-60 crowd. My in-laws are visiting and they've been pretty calm, but also pretty isolated. I cant imagine the worry and fear spreading through the elderly community right now.

Cancel it all. Be done with it.

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We get it. The desired effect is to keep a segment of society alive longer to eventually die of the same disease anyways. By delaying the inevitable we'll hopefully save lives of the other unhealthy people that also need medical care. The reason the government and media aren't relaying the message is that it sucks and sounds like a form of rationing.

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No. The desired effect is to reduce the spread, to reduce the peak. This saves more lives in the long run by affording better care to those who are inevitably going to get it and who are at higher risk.

It also prevents the rationing that will a matter of fact if the number of cases exceeds capacity.

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Reducing the spread and the peak is fine but if we have a long-flat peak (upside down U) versus a short high-peak (upside down V), is that really worth it in the long run? Especially if estimates are that 60-70% of the population is going to get it anyways? Should we suffer now greatly now and get is over with or suffer less but more slowly over time? Again I'm glad I don't have to make these decisions.

And by rationing I would also consider it to include time, money and general happiness. From the outside, the young and healthy appear to be taking the brunt of the effort, lifestyle change and monetary loss.

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I'm a retiree, and 95% of my best friends, siblings, cousins, in-laws, and favorite hunting & fishing buddies are in the age range of 60 to 90 (including many Trumper friends who I love dearly). So I too am glad you are not the one making these decisions.

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You're selfishness is noted and, imo, commendable. I'm simply trying to ask questions and be open and honest about my desire to protect my family, friends and community. You do you and I'll do me.

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So deaths of people in their 60-90s would be considered OK if it meant the younger generation didn't take a lifestyle hit?

I mean, don't get me wrong... Things would suck if we go into a big depression... But you'd still be alive.

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That's not what I'm saying at all. For example if 100,000 people are going to die from this anyways, is a prolonged recession caused by lengthening the infection time-frame (flattening the curve so as to keep the health care facilities functional) to ultimately save 10,000 lives worth it? Its basically a different version of the trolley problem.

Businesses, conferences, schools etc arent being stopped because of true fear of outbreak but instead for possible liability reasons. But what's the end-game and when is will it be "safe" to go back?

It may be cold to admit, but at this point there's no end to the spread and deaths will continue mount. Now its just managing the hospital beds until a vaccine is available or we develop a natural immunity. Saving the marginal person's life seems to be ultimate point of cancellations, isolation tactics and quarantines, not actually saving people from CoronaVirus.

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The point is we don't know if 100,000 people will die from this no matter what, or if containment measures keeps it under control or buys time until a vaccine emerges.

I don't disagree with you that there's absolutely decisions that have to be made in regards to how much you want to tank the economy for X # of lives. I think we already saw that the last two weeks with how slow we've been to address this - the hopes were it wouldn't be that significant and the economy wouldn't have to take a hit.

But the problem with trying to run calculations for X # of lives is that you need to know what X potentially is. Is worst case this thing spreads and decimates the population? Then yeah you say to hell with the stock market this is survival. If worst case is a couple thousand elderly pass? Then that changes how you address it.

But the simple fact that we've already taken steps that have knowingly hurt the economy mean that we're not really sure what X is, or that X is a large enough # that it's worth it.

Mainstream panic media is causing people to buy toilet paper en masse. Mainstream panic media didn't close China, Greece, Italy and Israel and deploy the national guard to quarantine part of a city in New York. Those were decisions made by the higher ups in our government and health departments, not TRUMP-Fox or Libtard-MSNBC.

Just heard that all of the Houston cases were thought to be from foreign travel ... except for one dude who had not traveled but appearently had gone to the Houston Rodeo cook off.

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I guess you can do that when the school doesn't offer athletic scholarships

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If the tournament doesn't happen, is CBS , ESPN et al still on the hook for the TV rights?

And here comes the lawsuits....the cruise industry is in a wee bit of trouble.

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A Florida couple onboard a cruise ship stricken with the coronavirus has filed a $1m lawsuit against the boat's operator, Princess Cruises, for failing to protect passengers amid the global Covid-19 outbreak. The lawsuit filed this week by Ronald and Eva Weissberger in a federal court in Los Angeles reads:

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China: 38, 31, 30, 28, 27, 23, 17, 22. Total China deaths at 3162. China topped out at around 150 daily deaths.

Not China: 48, 53, 69, 78, 71, 202, 186, 258. Total 1130.

US: 4, 3, 1, 1, 0, 0, 8, 6. Total 25 (WHO numbers).

New Italy deaths: 28, 27, 41, 49, 37, 132, 97, 168. Total 631.

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Guessing we have finally hit a tipping point, and this will be a serious statement on the matter.

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Great, now Trump is on the liberal media conspiracy to prevent his own election. Someone should tell him this Is just the flu.

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It's tired. Just stop

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Not just the smart people.

Arkansas is talking about shutting down all state schools as well.

This is precisely why events are being cancelled...******* ambulance chasers

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---New deaths over the last 8 days in chronological order----

China: 38, 31, 30, 28, 27, 23, 17, 22. Total China deaths at 3162. China topped out at around 150 daily deaths.

Not China: 48, 53, 69, 78, 71, 202, 186, 258. Total 1130.

US: 4, 3, 1, 1, 0, 0, 8, 6. Total 25 (WHO numbers).

New Italy deaths: 28, 27, 41, 49, 37, 132, 97, 168. Total 631.

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Thanks. The numbers really help put things in perspective.

This seems to be a pretty good site for tracking the virus

https://ncov2019.live/

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Even if there are no fans at the game - we'll need something to watch if we're quarantined! College basketball non stop sounds good to me.

US going forward......

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A Florida couple onboard a cruise ship stricken with the coronavirus has filed a $1m lawsuit against the boat's operator, Princess Cruises, for failing to protect passengers amid the global Covid-19 outbreak. The lawsuit filed this week by Ronald and Eva Weissberger in a federal court in Los Angeles reads:

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Cruise lines are always being sued for one thing or another. Somebody trips and falls, or has a bad experience, or an accident happens, they get sued. Happens all the time.

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A Florida couple onboard a cruise ship stricken with the coronavirus has filed a $1m lawsuit against the boat's operator, Princess Cruises, for failing to protect passengers amid the global Covid-19 outbreak. The lawsuit filed this week by Ronald and Eva Weissberger in a federal court in Los Angeles reads:

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$1 million seems small. Also could this 'pandemic' be considered an Act of God?

I started doing the elbow bump with patients about a decade ago. Guess I was ahead of the curve