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MouthBQ98 said:

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Pro tip: use your disposable hand towel to open the door, then bar it open with your foot if needed and throw away the hand towel. You can do the same to turn off the sink after washing.

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I thought this was common knowledge

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I've seen this brought up from time to time on this thread, but what (if any) limitations are your companies putting on travel? Mine is insistent on only following the lead of governments or the CDC/WHO, so people scheduled to visit our office from Europe and South America are still planning to travel and be here next week and the week after.

Why the individuals won't postpone this non-essential travel out of common sense is beyond me, the main reason this is spreading is because people keep insisting on non-essential travelling. Look at how Italy pin-balled this thing all over Europe.

I have raised my concerns with HR and was referred to Health/Safety mgmt who won't ban travels. I guess I will just have to work from home next week and risk being written up or losing my job. Not worth the risk for us, or our families caring for young children or elderly.

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Tanya 93 said:

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UncoverAg00 said:

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I think the general concern is that if we don't take proper measures then these closures will become reality, not that they are already a reality. If being inconvenienced for a couple of weeks prevents a legitimate pandemic spread, then its probably good idea. Life definitely should go on, but we're faced with something that could mean life doesn't go on for many (vulnerable as was stated). Its not a matter of expectation, its a matter preparation and willingness if it comes to that.

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And I am willing if it becomes a pandemic.


But deciding to shut everything down tomorrow is not rational.

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The average human mind has trouble processing the implications of the exponential function.

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tysker said:

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And if the Earth's temperature increase continues to increase at the same rate we're all dead in 12 years... Ya ya we got it...

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Tanya 93 said:

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UncoverAg00 said:

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I think the general concern is that if we don't take proper measures then these closures will become reality, not that they are already a reality. If being inconvenienced for a couple of weeks prevents a legitimate pandemic spread, then its probably good idea. Life definitely should go on, but we're faced with something that could mean life doesn't go on for many (vulnerable as was stated). Its not a matter of expectation, its a matter preparation and willingness if it comes to that.

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And I am willing if it becomes a pandemic.


But deciding to shut everything down tomorrow is not rational.

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Neither is waiting for our caseload to explode like it has in every other country because our leaders are idiots.

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tysker said:

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And if the Earth's temperature increase continues to increase at the same rate we're all dead in 12 years... Ya ya we got it...

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Lester Freamon said:

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I work for one of the major O&G services companies. CEO sent out an email yesterday banning all non essential travel globally.

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My employer has halted all non essential business travel and all large meetings. We are using teleconf and web meetings for everything.

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Tanya 93 said:

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AG 2000' said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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UncoverAg00 said:

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I think the general concern is that if we don't take proper measures then these closures will become reality, not that they are already a reality. If being inconvenienced for a couple of weeks prevents a legitimate pandemic spread, then its probably good idea. Life definitely should go on, but we're faced with something that could mean life doesn't go on for many (vulnerable as was stated). Its not a matter of expectation, its a matter preparation and willingness if it comes to that.

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And I am willing if it becomes a pandemic.


But deciding to shut everything down tomorrow is not rational.

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Neither is waiting for our caseload to explode like it has in every other country because our leaders are idiots.

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So shut down the whole country?

Or perhaps local governments can decide what is best?

There is no point in shutting down schools and sporting events in Missouri tomorrow.

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AG 2000' said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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AG 2000' said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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UncoverAg00 said:

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I think the general concern is that if we don't take proper measures then these closures will become reality, not that they are already a reality. If being inconvenienced for a couple of weeks prevents a legitimate pandemic spread, then its probably good idea. Life definitely should go on, but we're faced with something that could mean life doesn't go on for many (vulnerable as was stated). Its not a matter of expectation, its a matter preparation and willingness if it comes to that.

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And I am willing if it becomes a pandemic.


But deciding to shut everything down tomorrow is not rational.

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Neither is waiting for our caseload to explode like it has in every other country because our leaders are idiots.

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So shut down the whole country?

Or perhaps local governments can decide what is best?

There is no point in shutting down schools and sporting events in Missouri tomorrow.

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Local governments are just as idiotic as the feds. That's laughable.

Yes, in the face of a global pandemic with a pathogen that has high transmittability, all public gatherings and schools should be closed.

All air travel should be shut down (international or domestic).

But we won't (yet) because people are ignorant of exponential growth and selfish to boot. So we're all going to get boned because of this until the feds institute more draconian measures.

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With employees either being quarantined after international travel or encouraged to work remotely due to the Coronavirus (COVID19), Microsoft, Google, LogMeIn, and Cisco are offering free licenses to their meeting, collaboration, and remote work tools.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/microsoft-google-offer-free-remote-work-tools-due-to-coronavirus/

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AG 2000' said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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AG 2000' said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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UncoverAg00 said:

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I think the general concern is that if we don't take proper measures then these closures will become reality, not that they are already a reality. If being inconvenienced for a couple of weeks prevents a legitimate pandemic spread, then its probably good idea. Life definitely should go on, but we're faced with something that could mean life doesn't go on for many (vulnerable as was stated). Its not a matter of expectation, its a matter preparation and willingness if it comes to that.

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And I am willing if it becomes a pandemic.


But deciding to shut everything down tomorrow is not rational.

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Neither is waiting for our caseload to explode like it has in every other country because our leaders are idiots.

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So shut down the whole country?

Or perhaps local governments can decide what is best?

There is no point in shutting down schools and sporting events in Missouri tomorrow.

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Local governments are just as idiotic as the feds. That's laughable.

Yes, in the face of a global pandemic with a pathogen that has high transmittability, all public gatherings and schools should be closed.

All air travel should be shut down (international or domestic).

But we won't (yet) because people are ignorant of exponential growth and selfish to boot. So we're all going to get boned because of this until the feds institute more draconian measures.

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Tanya 93 said:

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Do you want everything shut down at 6 pm tonight?

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With employees either being quarantined after international travel or encouraged to work remotely due to the Coronavirus (COVID19), Microsoft, Google, LogMeIn, and Cisco are offering free licenses to their meeting, collaboration, and remote work tools.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/microsoft-google-offer-free-remote-work-tools-due-to-coronavirus/

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The average human mind has trouble processing the implications of the exponential function.

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Helpful information from
Juliana Grant, a physician and infectious disease epidemiologist from the Seattle area.

Hi folks,

A number of you have asked me what I think is going to happen with coronavirus (COVID-19) and what we should be doing to prepare. I have a few thoughts about what's likely to happen and what you should do about it. For those of you who don't know me well, I am a preventive medicine physician and infectious disease epidemiologist. I graduated from the CDC's Epidemic Intelligence Service and have over 17 years of experience in the field, most of that with CDC.
Wishing everyone good health,
Juliana

Who should I listen to?
The CDC and your state health department are your best place for information about COVID-19. Be cautious about other sources of information - many of them will not be reliable or accurate.

How bad is this going to be?
It's possible that COVID-19 will be similar to a bad flu year but there are a number of indications that it will be very much like the 1918 Flu Pandemic. To put that in perspective, the 1918 flu did not end civilization as we know it but it was the second-deadliest event of the last 200 years. Expect people you know to die from this.
However, there is one critical difference between COVID-19 and the 1918 flu - the 1918 flu virus hit children and young adults particularly hard. COVID-19 seems to be most severe in older adults. Children and young adults generally have mild infections. We are grateful for this.

What can we expect?
This is not the zombie apocalypse. Core infrastructure (e.g., power, water, supermarkets, internet, government, etc.) will continue to work, perhaps with some minor disruptions.

There will be significant economic disruption: a global recession is very possible and there will probably be significant shortages of some products. The healthcare system will be hit the hardest. The number of people who are likely to get sick is higher than our healthcare systems can handle.

Daily life will be impacted in important ways. Travel is likely to be limited and public gatherings will probably be canceled. Schools will probably be closed. Expect health departments to start issuing these orders in the near future, especially on the West Coast.
The acute pandemic will probably last at least for several months and quite possibly for a year or two.

What can we do?
We can't keep COVID-19 from being a global pandemic but the more we can do to slow the spread of the disease, the less severe the impact will be. With that in mind, here are the things you can do:

Stay calm but take it seriously. This will likely be bad but it's not the apocalypse.
Stay home if you're sick or someone in your house is sick.
Leave medical supplies for healthcare workers. You shouldn't be stockpiling masks or other medical supplies. They are needed in hospitals to keep our healthcare workers healthy.
Wash your hands. Get in the habit of frequently washing your hands thoroughly and covering your cough.
Minimize your exposure. Now that we're seeing community transmission, it's time to start seriously cutting back on your exposure to other people. Depending on your circumstances:
Cancel all non-essential travel (and most of it is non-essential!)
Avoid large-scale gatherings
Work from home if possible
Minimize direct contact with others including hand shakes and hugs
Reduce your trips out of the house. If possible, shop for two weeks of groceries at once or consider having your groceries delivered.
Remember, keep calm and prepare. This is likely to be bad but if we respond calmly and thoughtfully we can handle it.

Feel free to share this email as you see fit.
**************************
Juliana Grant, MD MPH
Public health and epidemiology consultant
juliana@julianagrant.com

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i continue to be amazed that people fear personal inconvenience more than the possibility of global pandemic.

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Tanya 93 said:

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i continue to be amazed that people fear personal inconvenience more than the possibility of global pandemic.

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It's not just inconvenience.

It is destroying the economy and education for weeks, months, more than a year.

Do you think everything needs to be shut down starting tomorrow?

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aginlakeway said:

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AG 2000' said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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AG 2000' said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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UncoverAg00 said:

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I think the general concern is that if we don't take proper measures then these closures will become reality, not that they are already a reality. If being inconvenienced for a couple of weeks prevents a legitimate pandemic spread, then its probably good idea. Life definitely should go on, but we're faced with something that could mean life doesn't go on for many (vulnerable as was stated). Its not a matter of expectation, its a matter preparation and willingness if it comes to that.

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And I am willing if it becomes a pandemic.


But deciding to shut everything down tomorrow is not rational.

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Neither is waiting for our caseload to explode like it has in every other country because our leaders are idiots.

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So shut down the whole country?

Or perhaps local governments can decide what is best?

There is no point in shutting down schools and sporting events in Missouri tomorrow.

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Local governments are just as idiotic as the feds. That's laughable.

Yes, in the face of a global pandemic with a pathogen that has high transmittability, all public gatherings and schools should be closed.

All air travel should be shut down (international or domestic).

But we won't (yet) because people are ignorant of exponential growth and selfish to boot. So we're all going to get boned because of this until the feds institute more draconian measures.

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So what constitutes a public gathering? How many people?

Should all grocery stores and malls be closed? How about churches?

And when this should happen?

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i'm not even going to engage with you because your entire strategy in disagreements is to take extreme positions and be intentionally obtuse. you're not capable of rational debate.

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leakypipes said:

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I don't drink the tap water out here in Odessa, I either tap filter it or buy water bottles.

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PJYoung said:

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Today is Japan's biggest one day gain yet.

Olympics not looking great

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Public gatherings - sporting events, concerts, church, etc.

It should have happened two weeks ago, will probably happen in two weeks, and in the mean time this little sucker will be spread en masse.

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