Singapore has tens of thousands of day workers that commute from and to Malaysia daily.

What the **** are you talking about?

So youre saying my friend doesn't have to adjust her business at all? . Or that the warehouse guys didn't get notice they are going to get laid off for a while. Thanks, I'll let her know your going to cover her bills for a couple months and warehouse guys are just being paranoid.

Anyone else find this extremely disturbing on all sorts of levels? CV selfie with the family???

Yes I'm saying you are full of it. And I have zero confidence that you know anyone that has been directly affected by this.

You don't know when the picture was taken.

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Anyone else find this extremely disturbing on all sorts of levels? CV selfie with the family???

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Disturbed? No... social media is fairly dumb either way. Nice try though

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This doesn't give me much confidence in our ability to contain this. Presumably the viral load was too low to detect, or the tests are crap. Probably both.

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What would give you confidence?

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No more of these sorts of cases for one thing. If we're releasing people who we think are cured, but in reality still are infected and can pass on the virus isn't a good thing. We need to find out what went wrong here.

We need to be testing far more people with accurate tests

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I normally will be 100% in contrast to your regular posts but I do agree here.

There's something wonky with our current testing regime.

The timing of the picture isn't my issue. Check out her profile. Hint: she's not a Trump supporter.


I find it interesting that she's trying to make a big deal out of it.

It's possible that the viral load that is considered a positive is higher than that which is necessary to be infectious.

There becomes this thing that when the **** truly hits the fan (and I'm not saying this outbreak is it) that a bunch of people will get culled due to stupidity, and they will take down a bunch of undeserving folks. - and note I just clicked on her twitter to read it and she came in contract at a medical center I feel for her.

For example I live in a smaller community on an island that's pretty much locked in. But I know of two people that can't sit still one that went to Milan last week for something and another that has plans to go to Korea this week and hasn't canceled. Dumb folks that think because they have money that **** won't affect them, and the other folks that can't sit still - someone like this will end up bringing to a closed community where everyone else is pretty much safe from the outside world. But hey man, more important to be able to Instagram and/or be proved right that the virus is nothing rather than just postpone stuff for a month or two until things become more accurate.

Still not sure what your issue was, but at least found this in her post history.

https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/S0195-6701(20)30046-3/fulltext?mobileUi=0

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Currently, the emergence of a novel human coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, has become a global health concern causing severe respiratory tract infections in humans. Human-to-human transmissions have been described with incubation times between 2-10 days, facilitating its spread via droplets, contaminated hands or surfaces. We therefore reviewed the literature on all available information about the persistence of human and veterinary coronaviruses on inanimate surfaces as well as inactivation strategies with biocidal agents used for chemical disinfection, e.g. in healthcare facilities. The analysis of 22 studies reveals that human coronaviruses such as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) coronavirus, Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) coronavirus or endemic human coronaviruses (HCoV) can persist on inanimate surfaces like metal, glass or plastic for up to 9 days, but can be efficiently inactivated by surface disinfection procedures with 6271% ethanol, 0.5% hydrogen peroxide or 0.1% sodium hypochlorite within 1 minute. Other biocidal agents such as 0.050.2% benzalkonium chloride or 0.02% chlorhexidine digluconate are less effective. As no specific therapies are available for SARS-CoV-2, early containment and prevention of further spread will be crucial to stop the ongoing outbreak and to control this novel infectious thread.

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Will read the full paper later.

And now a second death in Kirkland. WA from the same nursing home. A man in his 70s.

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Health officials in Washington state said Sunday night that a second person had died from the coronavirus a man in his 70s from a nursing facility near Seattle where dozens of people were sick and had been tested for the virus.
Researchers said earlier the virus may have been circulating for weeks undetected in Washington state.
In a statement, Public HealthSeattle & King County said the man died Saturday. On Friday, health officials said a man in his 50s died of coronavirus, the first death from the virus in the U.S.. Both had underlying health conditions, and both were being treated at a hospital in Kirkland, Washington, east of Seattle.

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And since the cluster of cases is in a nursing home, we should expect more deaths. Not trying to fear-monger, just stating the facts, If you have ever had a loved one in a nursing home, them you know that the residents are typically old and not healthy to start with.

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Of the new Washington state cases, two were women, one in her 80s and another in her 90s. Both were in critical condition. A man in his 70s was also in critical condition. All three were from the LifeCare nursing facility in Kirkland, Washington, where health officials said 50 people are sick and being tested for the virus.

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https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/nation-world/article240782976.html

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And now a second death in Kirkland. WA from the same nursing home. A man in his 70s.

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Health officials in Washington state said Sunday night that a second person had died from the coronavirus a man in his 70s from a nursing facility near Seattle where dozens of people were sick and had been tested for the virus.
Researchers said earlier the virus may have been circulating for weeks undetected in Washington state.
In a statement, Public HealthSeattle & King County said the man died Saturday. On Friday, health officials said a man in his 50s died of coronavirus, the first death from the virus in the U.S.. Both had underlying health conditions, and both were being treated at a hospital in Kirkland, Washington, east of Seattle.

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And since the cluster of cases is in a nursing home, we should expect more deaths. Not trying to fear-monger, just stating the facts, If you have ever had a loved one in a nursing home, them you know that the residents are typically old and not healthy to start with.

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Of the new Washington state cases, two were women, one in her 80s and another in her 90s. Both were in critical condition. A man in his 70s was also in critical condition. All three were from the LifeCare nursing facility in Kirkland, Washington, where health officials said 50 people are sick and being tested for the virus.

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https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/nation-world/article240782976.html

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This is horrible for these nursing homes. I believe the numbers from China show 15% death in the 80-89 age bracket and 10% in the 70-79 bracket.

These facilities need to take precautions sooner rather than later...

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About 60% of the country's more than 4,000 confirmed cases are sect members.

On Monday, South Korea - the biggest hotspot outside China - reported 476 new cases, bringing the total number to 4,212. It has recorded 26 deaths.

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just for those fear mongering at home, 4K cases in South Korea. 60% of them are from a religious cult. 26 deaths.

but, please keep trying to rile people up with insane dooms day conspiracies.

Just use lysol wipes.

Is it your suggestion that the statements on availability of testing kits are false?

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Is it your suggestion that the statements on availability of testing kits are false?

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i'm suggesting that this person has an additional incentive (book sales) to keep the hysteria going. it's also the reason that cnbc put him on television.

and?

There is no hysteria. People buying supplies just in case? Normal and advisable.

As a general supporter of this administration it does seem like the CDC has bungled the reaction.

The administration is like a head coach. Can't make the players catch the ball.

Can the head coach get the players to stop saying everything is fine and containment is working when it's plainly obvious to anyone paying attention that it isn't? I get that there were some technical errors with the kits, but their messaging has been consistently behind the curve and they risk losing credibility

Since these tests were /are sh*t, what are the odds that the college station student from Wuhan was actually positive back in January?

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Since these tests were /are sh*t, what are the odds that the college station student from Wuhan was actually positive back in January?

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Likely low considering there wasn't a spread around CS through February

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Can the head coach get the players to stop saying everything is fine and containment is working when it's plainly obvious to anyone paying attention that it isn't? I get that there were some technical errors with the kits, but their messaging has been consistently behind the curve and they risk losing credibility

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But everything is fine. The CDC can't stop the spread. All they need to do is draw it out, flatten out the curve of cases over time to prevent medical overload. And they need to prevent panic. The admin has to walk a line between getting actionable information out to people and promoting a general environment of calm and reasonable reaction.

The test kit situation is a bummer though.

CDC is a bloated bureaucracy full of administrative types padding professional resumes.

It's not designed for something like this. Sure they do modeling and planning but with budget constraints they can't fully prepare for all eventualities. This is hitting quicker than the bureaucracy can react.


The county health departments are in the same boat. Disaster preparedness is usually in their mandate but in reality their time is spent on mental health, welfare, and drug treatment in communities.

Here is what Dallas County covers...

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With an annual budget of approximately $117 million, and almost 500 public health professionals, we are there every day to protect and promote the health of the over 2.6 million Dallas County residents.

Our work is wide-ranging. You can find us providing childhood immunizations and flu shots, working with community partners to treat and reduce sexually transmitted infections, and assisting low-income residents with repairs to home heating and cooling units. We also have disease detectives who investigate outbreaks of suspicious clusters of illness, and study the trends, causes and effects of health and disease conditions in our neighborhoods.

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Of the 500 staffers and administration how much time do you think they spent on potential pandemic training in 2019?

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As a general supporter of this administration it does seem like the CDC has bungled the reaction.

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Yeah they have. The CDC's competence is about as good as most of the rest of the government agencies like the ATF, DEA, CIA, FBI, etc. That is to say it's complete garbage and appears to be full of nothing but sycophants.

Rather have them than the WHO is more concerned with appeasement and PC than health.