China Coronavirus Outbreak Spreads; Hundreds Infected As Human-To-Human Transmission

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In reply to Tanya 93 • 7:33p, 3/13/20
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Tanya 93 said:
dermdoc said:
Tanya 93 said:
dermdoc said:
Tanya 93 said:
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You don't have to defend yourself.

The whatabout Obama will never end while Trump is President. It is their "Trump" card.


The obsessiveness some have in defending anything he does it kinda creepy IMO.


C'mon Tanya. You know me better than that.
And he was being honest and you attack because he thinks Trump has not handled this Coronavirus thing well.

We both know that if this was happening during the administration of a Democrat, you would be *****ing your ass off that the Democrat wasn't doing enough.

Trump however is, for you, doing enough.


Please post when I did that
We didn't have this virus during a Democrat administration. I can't prove that. We can show the whataboutism though

But you were rude to TCCCS because he thinks Trump isn't doing enough. And you derailed with Obama.


So what should Trump do? What can any politician do to change anything?
I have posted several times what I think he needs to do.

He needs to parrot the CDC and stop pretending there is a magic wand that will do what he wants.

Being a bombastic blowhard proclaiming all is well or blaming the past administration when he could have changed the things he thought they did wrong (NOW) doesn't fix it spreading across the country.


And how does that change anything?

And you would not like him anyway.
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7:34p, 3/13/20
Being a bombastic blowhard won him the office because Romney and McCain were proof anything less was going to be run over by a left media. But anyone who can set aside the bluster and look at actual policy on the whole, he has been very successful so far. And this is going to be the same. As a country, we are mobilizing at the right time. And his two recent pressers are a big reason for that.

He's a NY salesman that talks a bunch of ***** But he gets **** done. I've worked with a ton of them in my career and would go to battle with them any time
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7:35p, 3/13/20
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A lib doesn't like trump. Who cares.

He could cure cancer and these people would still ***** and moan he didn't do it fast enough.

But if he killed an unborn child, they'd like him.
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7:38p, 3/13/20
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To get us back on track, something positive...

I read that we (the U.S.) haven't had a single coronavirus death in over 24 hours. That's a pretty big deal, right? For all the predictions of there potentially being a million deaths in this country, logic obviously says we'd have to have an increasing death rate to get there.

Ot is this simply an anomaly/way too early to tell?
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7:53p, 3/13/20


Did we cover this already today?
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In reply to AgFan2015 • 7:59p, 3/13/20
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Mr.Infectious said:


Did we cover this already today?

Hmmm...if only there were some sort of physical barrier that could keep Americans from entering undetected....
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In reply to AgFan2015 • 8:00p, 3/13/20
Mr.Infectious said:


Did we cover this already today?
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3099818
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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In reply to 74OA • 8:02p, 3/13/20
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China working nonstop to convince the gullible that the US is really the one to blame.

"Big Lie" Campaign
I've heard experts claim that this came from zoological transmission, but China's behvaiour to cover this up, deny and blame others only makes me think its a bioweapon even more.
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8:05p, 3/13/20
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The media was ridiculous in President Trump's press conference.

Whether you like him or not he is giving updates and new information in a press conference setting and has made available high ranking officials in the medical field and the public and private sectors where any of them can be asked questions. Yet outside of a few reporters, the rest are trying to catch him in "Gotcha" statements or corner him into saying he should be quarantined himself.

How are they doing any service to the American people by asking these questions? You have these major resources of information in front you to ask legitimate questions and yet they're pulling this crap?
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In reply to TCTTS • 8:10p, 3/13/20
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far too early

Seattle is about to pop off. Same in NYC.
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In reply to dermdoc • 8:13p, 3/13/20
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so this won't be as bad as which previous pandemic?

1968?
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In reply to cone • 8:17p, 3/13/20
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cone said:
far too early

Seattle is about to pop off. Same in NYC.


Yeah, I was literally just watching the news talk about how NY doubled in cases since yesterday. Damn.
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In reply to cone • 8:18p, 3/13/20
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cone said:
so this won't be as bad as which previous pandemic?

1968?
I do not know. Do you?
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In reply to dermdoc • 8:22p, 3/13/20
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seems like it's on a once in a lifetime trajectory

1968 was 100k dead Americans
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In reply to cone • 8:27p, 3/13/20
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cone said:
seems like it's on a once in a lifetime trajectory

1968 was 100k dead Americans
And the flu kills 80 k a year. I already predicted on another thread 100k. And that pisses me off. But nothing "government" can do about it. If "government" could do something, why are so many people dying from flu every year?

This is not once in a lifetime trajectory. Go back historically and look at figures for things like the Spanish flu, Black Plague, HIV/AIDS, etc.

Every generation thinks they are special. They are not, sorry.
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In reply to Bobcat06 • 8:27p, 3/13/20
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Bobcat06 said:
74OA said:
China working nonstop to convince the gullible that the US is really the one to blame.

"Big Lie" Campaign
I've heard experts claim that this came from zoological transmission, but China's behvaiour to cover this up, deny and blame others only makes me think its a bioweapon even more.
Yep. "Me thinks thou do protest too loudly."
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8:32p, 3/13/20
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We are following the exact same path as Italy. Just about a week and a half behind.

Link to graph.
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8:33p, 3/13/20
Back to the real world for a minute. In case anyone doesn't remember, there was a discussion on whether or not the virus could be dangerous to young children. The answer is yes, but likely only if they have some kind of preexisting health condition.

"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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In reply to TCTTS • 8:51p, 3/13/20
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Just means they're testing more.
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In reply to Zobel • 8:52p, 3/13/20
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True.
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In reply to BuffsAg47 • 8:55p, 3/13/20
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That needs to be understood in both cases per capita and adjusted for area. We're a lot bigger and a lot more spread out, and most of their cases were concentrated in one region.

That being said, our numbers don't mean jack because we weren't testing. Hold on to your butts.
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In reply to dermdoc • 9:25p, 3/13/20
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I'm not sure I follow why... for these reasons:

1. would tests not have allowed for trending and forecasting in a higher resolution? or does that not really matter? i thought it did which is why containment is attempted.
2. is it not useful to know for allocation of resources for treatment? ie, don't mistake a non-covid and allocate breathing machines too soon or some *****

honestly curious
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In reply to dermdoc • 9:26p, 3/13/20
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about to head to bed. enjoyed the back and forth.
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In reply to EMY92 • 9:33p, 3/13/20
EMY92 said:
law-apt-3g said:
jpd301 said:
SIAP

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/community-mitigation-strategy.pdf

Interesting doc
fatties with diabeetus did not escape appendix 'A'
Not all diabetics are fat.

I was a 75# freshman in high school when I got it.

Things like this can kill me as quickly as a fat diabetic.
Nobody said all diabetics are fat, but I will say all fatties are easy to outrun and rarely catch anybody to kill and the quickly killing fat diabetic ones are even more rare.
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In reply to Eric Forman • 9:36p, 3/13/20
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Testing might have allowed a better feel for the scope and severity of the disease. I personally do not think it would have anything to do with the mortality rate. And I appreciate the back and forth also.
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9:39p, 3/13/20
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As was predicted by a doctor quoted on this thread (Gottlieb?) South Korea's fatality rate has gone up again.

70-79 5.2%

80+ 8.75%

Overall, .89%

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In reply to dermdoc • 9:40p, 3/13/20
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Doesn't help mortality directly. This will probably be a multi month event and you can't keep everyone shut down that long. Testing should have given us enough info to know what cities need to close when.
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In reply to Zobel • 9:44p, 3/13/20
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k2aggie07 said:
Doesn't help mortality directly. This will probably be a multi month event and you can't keep everyone shut down that long. Testing should have given us enough info to know what cities need to close when.
I personally think it will be about a four week event. We shall see. Next week may be the toughest
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In reply to dermdoc • 9:48p, 3/13/20
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If it's four weeks, it'll be a twere best done quickly situation. More severe, worse outcome, but at least done.
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9:48p, 3/13/20
Well, my concert tickets just turned into nothing but pieces of useless paper.

Oh well, I was fully expecting it at this point.

At least I'll get my money back.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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9:51p, 3/13/20
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I personally don't agree with closing anything down. This flattening the curve would probably be more applicable to an epidemic that was deadlier.

Where was all this concern when H1N1 was going around? That was far deadlier.
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at this point in the outbreak covid19 has way more fatalities than 2009 swine flu, day for day.
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9:55p, 3/13/20
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Is this maybe why testing wasnt done as fast?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32133832?fbclid=IwAR3KtTRFTp9eb0aA-8ThVONEMGeGhecOnjMJtIblbClp8ufahx71HOFSWdg
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In reply to dermdoc • 9:57p, 3/13/20
In the US: Consider no tests and no worldwide or federal communication. Communication limited to local only...Virus still would be identified, word would get out, action taken, epidemic plan engaged, overcome and local would return to prospering.

And maybe in some cases....more efficient,,,cause AMERICA
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