I think he intended to die. He probably fancied himself a more courageous person than he actually was. Meaning he thought he would kill more people and drag out the battle for longer than he did. When he saw the SWAT teams forming he got scared and put an end to his life quickly.

I think he was angry - very angry. His desire to kill a lot of people was due to his anger. Could be at country music fans (he hated conservatives). Could be Las Vegas people (he hated the people he was around constantly). Could be he hated the government.

He hated himself and his life and the meaningless of it all so he decided to take action on society, on the government and himself.

DannyDuberstein said:

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I'd imagine the cops may have moved the weapon. The fact he shot himself through the mouth and out the back/top of his head doesn't leave much room for suicide doubt in my mind.

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The full photo of the suicide shows him and I don't disagree with what you said, it just looks odd to me.
Not that I have seen many suicide victims.
I was just thinking about the physics of everything.

Interesting Video - did someone actually get a closeup of Paddock wearing a ball cap in his room during shooting? (1 minute mark)

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Swat, with certainty picked up a floor map? In a matter of minutes this all went down. You think they ran by the lobby and snagged a floor map? Looked up who's name the rooms were under, etc.? Watch the damn video posted earlier in this thread. The first officers that made it to his room had little to no info, because they were trying to get to and stop an ACTIVE shooter as quickly as possible.

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I'm not trying to be antagonistic here, but you're assuming SWAT knew within minutes that there was only one shooter covering two vantage points. Is it really that far fetched to consider that before attempting to take down potentially more than one active shooter that they would consider what room the shooters are in?

As in "We've got two broken windows, and potentially more than one shooter. Guy from the hotel, we need to know right now what rooms those broken windows belong to because we have to plan a breach as though there are active shooters covering both vantage points"

I'm not saying they asked the concierge for a floor map while enjoying something from the continental buffet, but surely they acquired the layout before attempting a breach in an active shooting situation as opposed to just hard charging in without any intel whatsoever. Hell, they could have had the info radioed in while staging, I presume. They'd at least want to know about exits, and probably the fact that there was an adjoining room door there.

I could be wrong, but there was what an hour between first shot and the breach? The first timeline has the first shots at the crowd at 10:05. The breach was at 11:20.



And now we think the guard was shot 6 minutes before the shooting, meaning the guard was shot at 9:59, and the breach is 80 minutes give or take later?

Again, I'm not trying to be antagonistic, but why does the concept of LEOs trying to get intel before the breach seem so outrageous? What am I missing?

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Interesting Video - did someone actually get a closeup of Paddock wearing a ball cap in his room during shooting? (1 minute mark)

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Ok, thinking this must have been the police investigating afterward. I had never seen that video.

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Since Paddock knew nearly every detail of Vegas casinos, he may have lured the security guard to the 31st (not 32nd) floor to get his badge, uniform, and radio/phone as part of his escape plan. Since Campos escaped, he had no Plan B when the cops showed up.

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I wonder if a taser or stungun was in his security equipment that was mentioned in yesterday's briefing.

Aggiebrewer said:

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LoudestWHOOP! said:

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Interesting Video - did someone actually get a closeup of Paddock wearing a ball cap in his room during shooting? (1 minute mark)

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Ok, thinking this must have been the police investigating afterward. I had never seen that video.

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Can't be. I was told NOBODY is in their room at 10pm in Vegas.

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They should have known Paddock was an outlier.

VaultingChemist said:

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Since Paddock knew nearly every detail of Vegas casinos, he may have lured the security guard to the 31st (not 32nd) floor to get his badge, uniform, and radio/phone as part of his escape plan. Since Campos escaped, he had no Plan B when the cops showed up.

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I could see taking a badge or something to open doors and radio to hear the chatter, but you would think there would be an easier way to get a uniform or fake one...

I'll say this again since the other thread was removed. ALL OF the officers that breached the room were there on their own. They weren't called to the scene. They heard it over the radio and responded. Made their own plan. Not under command of the department. Ineptitude of the PD on all fronts.

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Positioning the cart in front of the other room's door tells me he didn't plan on going out that way.

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Or....

1. the cameras needed to be placed there to see where he needed to see (probably three views - the stairs are across, the elevators are down the hall, and back to his own door of the suite).

2. By placing it there it might also serve as a distraction that would keep them focused on the main suite door - thinking that cart belonged to the other room since that is what it was closest too. Those rooms are adjoining thus not necessarily the same guest. Without looking into the reservation system there is no way random security guard in the hall knows whether it is currently being used by one guest or two.

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3. the cart rolls....no reason you cannot exit that doorway and just roll it out of your way.

So if he is hoping they breach the main suite door, he might have hoped to exit the other door after they ignored that door thinking it belonged to others. If they all rush in the main suite door then he is clear to exit the other door and head for the stairs.

In fact the failed bolting of the stairway door may have been a distraction - maybe he wanted it to appear bolted shut but in reality he wanted to exit the other door in some emergency outfit and just head down the stairs like some emergency responder.

How was this guy thinking he would escape going down a stairwell that swat team would be coming up? I don't he's that dumb. He had some other plan we don't know about. Maybe the timing of his actual plan was thrown off and the events that occurred were improvised because of Campos discovering him.

Security guard may have had a master key to access other rooms as well as maintenance closets. Sheriff Lombardo mentioned a maintenance man was with Campos.

Looks like just B roll

Maybe when his other buddies didn't show up to help out with the shooting, he decided no way was he going to lug out the weapons he brought for them to use and ended it all.

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I think he intended to die. He probably fancied himself a more courageous person than he actually was. Meaning he thought he would kill more people and drag out the battle for longer than he did. When he saw the SWAT teams forming he got scared and put an end to his life quickly.

I think he was angry - very angry. His desire to kill a lot of people was due to his anger. Could be at country music fans (he hated conservatives). Could be Las Vegas people (he hated the people he was around constantly). Could be he hated the government.

He hated himself and his life and the meaningless of it all so he decided to take action on society, on the government and himself.

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Our sermon on Sunday was about the emotion of anger. Preacher said the same thing - we don't know the guys motive, but who could doubt he was living a very angry life.

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How was this guy thinking he would escape going down a stairwell that swat team would be coming up? I don't he's that dumb. He had some other plan we don't know about. Maybe the timing of his actual plan was thrown off and the events that occurred were improvised because of Campos discovering him.

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This was a guy that also thought he could blow up fuel tanks by shooting them. Planned, but with dumb aspects that were probably then thrown off further by the guard.

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Maybe when his other buddies didn't show up to help out with the shooting, he decided no way was he going to lug out the weapons he brought for them to use and ended it all.

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He may have had a lot of weapons to dial in different distances. That way he could just change weapons instead of adjusting sights. Much quicker and less room for mistakes.

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I'll say this again since the other thread was removed. ALL OF the officers that breached the room were there on their own. They weren't called to the scene. They heard it over the radio and responded. Made their own plan. Not under command of the department. Ineptitude of the PD on all fronts.

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I think you meant heroes.

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How was this guy thinking he would escape going down a stairwell that swat team would be coming up? I don't he's that dumb. He had some other plan we don't know about. Maybe the timing of his actual plan was thrown off and the events that occurred were improvised because of Campos discovering him.

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This was a guy that also thought he could blow up fuel tanks by shooting them. Planned, but with dumb aspects that were probably then thrown off further by the guard.

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I'm surprised he didn't use a .50 cal for that. There's no way a .223 or 5.56 is penetrating those tanks at that distance.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/audio-released-moment-stephen-paddock-room-breached-article-1.3536205

That link has audio from just before the breach, as well as audio immediately after. You hear:

"All units on the 32nd floor, SWAT has explosive breach. Everyone in the hallway needs to move back. All units need to move back."

Then a pause, then

"BREACH. BREACH. BREACH."

followed by an explosion.


I need to go watch the 60 minutes video tonight.

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DannyDuberstein said:

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bmks270 said:

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How was this guy thinking he would escape going down a stairwell that swat team would be coming up? I don't he's that dumb. He had some other plan we don't know about. Maybe the timing of his actual plan was thrown off and the events that occurred were improvised because of Campos discovering him.

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This was a guy that also thought he could blow up fuel tanks by shooting them. Planned, but with dumb aspects that were probably then thrown off further by the guard.

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I'm surprised he didn't use a .50 cal for that. There's no way a .223 or 5.56 is penetrating those tanks at that distance.

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Yep, that's why I stand by my 7.62 comment. Doubt 7. 62 would either, and if he so "proficient"with weapons and knew the properties of jet fuel, why not place the Tanerite or use something like an AT4?

Analysis of the audio doesn't seem to really capture when shots were fired on the interior of the hotel.

I think it goes back to the risk of being discovered before he is able to shoot anyone (and probably doesn't work anyway). I think he had a few ideas that he abandoned.

just more support for why i think this was a lone nutjob vs some mastermind plot. some scattered thoughts on what he wanted to accomplish and how.

There was no SWAT.

Aggiebrewer said:

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LoudestWHOOP! said:

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Interesting Video - did someone actually get a closeup of Paddock wearing a ball cap in his room during shooting? (1 minute mark)

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Ok, thinking this must have been the police investigating afterward. I had never seen that video.

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Can't be. I was told NOBODY is in their room at 10pm in Vegas.

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You have misremembered what you were told.

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Few people visiting Vegas are in their rooms at 10pm.

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https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/2890721/replies/50078135

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/audio-released-moment-stephen-paddock-room-breached-article-1.3536205

That link has audio from just before the breach, as well as audio immediately after. You hear:

"All units on the 32nd floor, SWAT has explosive breach. Everyone in the hallway needs to move back. All units need to move back."

Then a pause, then

"BREACH. BREACH. BREACH."

followed by an explosion.


I need to go watch the 60 minutes video tonight.

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Forgot about the breach part. Must have breached with very tiny charges because it doesn't appear that any breach damage occurred. No soot and no damage whatsoever to one of the doors.

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His calculations are based off of a 55gr .223 round. I imagine if he did the calculations for .308, it would close his distance gap and destroy his own pretense.

Not saying it isn't possible, but his conclusion omits known variables.

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What?

If Paddock was using .308 instead of .223, suddenly a 1.5x lag time (.559s vs .374s) becomes negligible?

Are you bad at math?

What is the motivation for this?

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What is the motivation for this?

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More confusion. Add even more confusion so that the answer becomes impossible to determine.

Laura doing work. If I ever require an investigator my checkbook is open for her.

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What is the motivation for this?

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More confusion. Add even more confusion so that the answer becomes impossible to determine.

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So MGM is in on it now?