Question not asked...by reporters..."did Campos exchange any conversation with Paddock before the shooting started?" Or "Did Paddock have any online social media accounts?", or "Are there any links to foreign or domestic terrorists that you have found?"

Instead reporters asked a bunch of valueless questions like "are you going back to the shooters various addresses to look over them one more time?"

Here's the press conference:

I thought it was a door ajar alarm he was checking on? Which in itself is interesting to me, one I didn't know alarms go off when you leave hotel doors open, and two, why was the door open long enough to set off an alarm?

One more hey finding from the press conference...LE have over 200 hundred instances of Paddock traveling in and around Las Vegas casinos and none of them show him with anyone else.

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I thought it was a door ajar alarm he was checking on? Which in itself is interesting to me, one I didn't know alarms go off when you leave hotel doors open, and two, why was the door open long enough to set off an alarm?

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Fire escapes have them because of air flow. People have been known to prop them open. My mother for instance was claustrophobic. She would not ride elevators. She would go up stairs and leave one shoe to prop open the door she went in. Go up to the next floor and open the door. Prop open with her shoe and go down and get her shoe. It was silly, but people do it.

In Vegas, I would expect them to tell you every time a door is open and how long it stays open.

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I thought it was a door ajar alarm he was checking on? Which in itself is interesting to me, one I didn't know alarms go off when you leave hotel doors open, and two, why was the door open long enough to set off an alarm?

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Paddock had used his electric screw driver to screw in a metal plate to the door locked or closed...somehow...but it still sent off an alarm to the hotel security.

Later we can finish the story by watching 60 minutes piece about the 4 or 5 the assembled "SWAT" team actually had to use a crow bar to open the door and break the screwed in plate...those guys came up all 32 flights of stairs before being locked out of the 32nd floor.

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HoustonAg15 said:

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I thought it was a door ajar alarm he was checking on? Which in itself is interesting to me, one I didn't know alarms go off when you leave hotel doors open, and two, why was the door open long enough to set off an alarm?

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Paddock had used his electric screw driver to screw in a metal plate to the door locked or closed...somehow...but it still sent off an alarm to the hotel security.

Later we can finish the story by watching 60 minutes piece about the 4 or 5 the assembled "SWAT" team actually had to use a crow bar to open the door and break the screwed in plate...those guys came up all 32 flights of stairs before being locked out of the 32nd floor.

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Then Campos was.... locked in on the 32nd floor???? Yeah not suspicious at all.

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WestAustinAg said:

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HoustonAg15 said:

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I thought it was a door ajar alarm he was checking on? Which in itself is interesting to me, one I didn't know alarms go off when you leave hotel doors open, and two, why was the door open long enough to set off an alarm?

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Paddock had used his electric screw driver to screw in a metal plate to the door locked or closed...somehow...but it still sent off an alarm to the hotel security.

Later we can finish the story by watching 60 minutes piece about the 4 or 5 the assembled "SWAT" team actually had to use a crow bar to open the door and break the screwed in plate...those guys came up all 32 flights of stairs before being locked out of the 32nd floor.

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Then Campos was.... locked in on the 32nd floor???? Yeah not suspicious at all.

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Why wouldn't Campos use the elevator? SWAT uses stairs for tactical reasons.

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A bunch of lies. Unreal......the FBI guy always ready to pounce reeks cover up.

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My initial thoughts were Paddock was a crazy guy who acted alone and once all the fog cleared we might get a motive.

With all the deceit I have flipped to the camp of he had help and this was something much more nefarious than "crazy guy snaps". I have strong feelings this Campos guy was heavily involved.

Did anyone else catch the freudian slip (perhaps) of the Sheriff stating Campos was the suspect? Then he goes off gesticulating on how he will only say 'the suspect" instead of Paddock... then 1 minute later say Paddock's name again. That Sheriff is about as as twisted up as he can be trying to keep the official story straight from the truth. That FBI goon is just there to stop him from going down the wrong path.

Sheriff also said Campos actually helped another maintenance worker on same floor who almost got caught up in the situation near the shooters room. He also supposedly helped guide the SWAT team with his information.

Supposedly the open door alert wasn't even Paddock's room...but that event got Campos up there...when he hespard the screw driver making holes in the inside of the room.

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Did anyone else catch the freudian slip (perhaps) of the Sheriff stating Campos was the suspect? Then he goes off gesticulating on how he will only say 'the suspect" instead of Paddock... then 1 minute later say Paddock's name again. That Sheriff is about as as twisted up as he can be trying to keep the official story straight from the truth. That FBI goon is just there to stop him from going down the wrong path.

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It's actually pretty clear that the sheriff was talking about Paddock but accidentally said Campos because he had just finished talking about Paddock's actions after taking fire.

Have they released a list of names of the deceased? I seem to remember this happening within a couple of days of the Pulse Nightclub shooting.

I'd like to know how many people had gunshot wounds of the people who were injured. I assume most of the injured weren't actually hit with gunfire but were injured running away...probably some were admitted due to trauma.

I don't mean to fan the flames, but the presser statement is pretty interesting at 1:49.

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He was able to confirm for us exactly what he heard and saw in the moments before the.... [long pause, FBI guy looks down] he was shot. [clears throat]"

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It seems like he was about to say "in the moments before the shooting," or something like that, which would reveal that the timeline wasn't as previously described. I'm not sure why he stopped himself, and apparently deviated from the notes he was reading, when he ultimately told us about the change to the timeline.

It's clear they aren't going to correct anything they've told us.... The girlfriend is clear... Campos is cleared... wait no Campos timeline is totally false...

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Screw conspiracy theories, this is a cover up of some sort. Somebody f'd something up. At this point I have no idea what, why, or how, but they are completely full of sh**.

LE at both the local and FBI level have changed and amended stories multiple times now. Nothing adds up. Nothing makes sense. Every time you think you have this thing rationally pieced together, a story changes or the govt itself retracts or adds something new.

This is not high conspiracy. This is completely govt ineptitude at this point. Political influences surely muddling the real timeline, data, and story being documented.

In the aftermath of the Sandy Hook tragedy, I was very harsh on the "false flag" crowd and remain so today. But the real conspiracy of Sandy Hook was not the shooting itself. I don't doubt who did it or why. The conspiracy was the actions taken by govt in the aftermath to limit, halt, and obscure accounts of the incident, the crime scene, and the details. The steps taken after Sandy Hook were simply baffling. I see this the same way.

I don't doubt that Paddock was the shooter. But the details of the motive, the actual event, etc, are being completely and totally mucked up on purpose. Maybe it is complete ineptitude by I doubt it.

Total clown show.

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I think the Boston bombers post bombing investigation was handled awfully bad by the FBI as well. They shut down a city for a week until they found the guy in the back of the boat. The answers weren't forthcoming...little to no transparency...

I agree though...I don't think there is a strong case for a conspiracy (I did a few days ago). I think these changes in timeline are either intended to confuse and obfuscate poor decision making by LE in the critical hour...or it's just due to the confusion of having so many people tell so many different stories and the FBI not knowing who is correct.

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Did anyone else catch the freudian slip (perhaps) of the Sheriff stating Campos was the suspect? Then he goes off gesticulating on how he will only say 'the suspect" instead of Paddock... then 1 minute later say Paddock's name again. That Sheriff is about as as twisted up as he can be trying to keep the official story straight from the truth. That FBI goon is just there to stop him from going down the wrong path.

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It's actually pretty clear that the sheriff was talking about Paddock but accidentally said Campos because he had just finished talking about Paddock's actions after taking fire.

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Isn't the the definition of a freudian slip? Accidentally saying something that reveals your true feelings?

I agree with you though.. probably he just can't think straight due to the FBI goon breathing down his neck.

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I don't mean to fan the flames, but the presser statement is pretty interesting at 1:49.

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He was able to confirm for us exactly what he heard and saw in the moments before the.... [long pause, FBI guy looks down] he was shot. [clears throat]."

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It seems like he was about to say "in the moments before the shooting," or something like that, which reveal that the timeline wasn't as previously described. I'm not sure why he stopped himself, and apparently deviated from the notes he was reading, when he ultimately told us about the change to the timeline.

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It seems clear that he wasn't going to divulge the change in timeline because he did not in his opening statement. It looks like he did probably work out that if he was asked a question by the media about the timeline that he could and should admit the change (not going to flat out lie). A reporter did ask and so we got the answer. That, or this was carefully orchestrated and the sheriff/fbi told the reporter to ask the question so he could get it out in the open (in a more passive way).

So looking back at the earlier reporting I found this and it begs the question...

Did Campos notify his dispatch? If he did so 6 minutes before the concert was fired upon, how could the authorities have possibly got the timeline so wrong?

Are the authorities trying to cover up a slow response time (for security/deterrent purposes maybe)? Where it took them more than 15 minutes to respond to shots fired and a man shot?

Maybe Campos is a ghost because they don't want him blowing the lid off of their lies. Maybe he saw an accomplice or something else we don't yet know about?

Campos radios for help... gives officers the truth, he was fired on before the concert was... but FBI comes in and for some unknown reason decides to alter the official timeline?

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"He notified his dispatch, which was absolutely critical to us, knowing the location, as well as advising the responding officers as they arrived," McMahill said of Campos.

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http://www.businessinsider.com/mandalay-bay-security-guard-jesus-campos-distracting-las-vegas-shooter-2017-10

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Are the authorities trying to cover up a slow response time (for security/deterrent purposes maybe)? Where it took them more than 15 minutes to respond to shots fired and a man shot?

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If there's any intentional misrepresentations going on, I guess this is what it's probably about. They're reluctant to advertise that it took 18 minutes to get police on the floor of an active shooter. And it took another hour+ before they got into his room (though I hope to high heaven they would've gone into the room sooner if the shooting had still been underway).

I think the security guard was in on it, and they got in an argument and he got shot. He then retreated.

Computer traces will lead to the security guard being involved.. most likely if so. I doubt he was.. but if he was, he was a bottom lover of Paddocks at some point. Maybe met on the CL personals.

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Not buying it...

He had 15 more minutes and plenty of ammo to continue wreaking havoc...

Cops didn't breach until 10:26...

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He stopped shooting at 10:15. Cops were on his floor at 10:17.

He had no way of knowing it would be another hour before they'd break down the suite door. And it's a pretty safe assumption it would've been sooner if the shooting continued.

At any rate, if he was estimating when the cops would arrive on his floor based on what he could see on the street below and/or on the cameras, then he was pretty accurate. He ended the episode within 2 minutes of their arrival.

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There's the problem - if the PD waited an hour (or even 15 minutes) to breach while he was shooting that's horrible

Original timeline made waiting for SWAT seem reasonable - he was already dead

New timeline would mean PD didn't want to take action - I can imagine why not but doesn't look good

(Assuming they were there ~10.17 of course)

Getting caught up on the last few pages it occurred to me that I suspect many of y'all haven't been to Vegas too many times. It ain't like staying at a Holiday Inn Express or Motel 6.

Maybe, if you're going to ask comments or make statements about Vegas hotel rooms and what is or isn't reality or possible, you should also add a signature to your post to let everybody else know how big a Vegas guy you are.

I propose something like:

vv - Vegas Virgin - never been
V5 - Vegas Neophyte - up to 5 nights
VT - Vegas Journeyman - up to 10 nights
VV - Vegas Veteran (Superstar) - at least 5 trips, stayed at multiple properties, won some, lost some, seen some shows. Know how to organize your limo ride to "The Rhino"

Anyway, the windows are not sound proof. You would be able to hear a concert going on across the street. A few years ago, I stayed at the Cosmopolitan and that damn fountain at the Bellagio kept annoying the crap out of me every 15-30 minutes when it would go off playing a Shania Twain song.

As far as the doors, it probably varies by property but... As Ruben stated in "Ocean's 11" (Clooney/Pitt version) - "They got locks, they got timers" etc.

I'm a Vegas Veteran. Been going there for 15 years. Probably spent at least 35 nights at a minimum of 10 properties on The Strip over the course of at least 15 trips.

And as somebody pointed out - nobody is intentionally going to be in their hotel room at 10pm in Vegas.

That was an impressive amount of work.

I gotta say, when I first heard the audio, it sounded like two shooters to me because I thought I heard one weapon start firing and then a second weapon start firing a few seconds later. But in reality, who knows. Personally, I'm buying the single shooter idea unless we find out the hooker Paddock hired was also a trigger puller.

A single shooter armed with a machine gun (or facsimile thereof) from a high perch, firing at a large crowd is pretty easy to believe. We're not talking about a headshot on a moving target from a bolt action Mannlicher Carcano.

In the whiteboard video, when the guy brought up the mound of dirt as a possible firing point, I thought oh boy, here's the Las Vegas version of the grassy knoll.

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They had credited Campos, who was shot in the leg, with stopping the 10-minute assault on the concert crowd by turning the gunman's attention to the hotel hallway, where Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest's room.

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This is the first mention I've actually seen of what tripped the door alarm

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That was the original story they say is not true anymore. They say now he got shot before the windows were even broken out

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I'm talking about the door alarm. They had mentioned the door alarm multiple times, but I had never seen that it was another guest's room that was ajar.

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Playing catchup. So the door alarm was another guests room? Seriously?

Stairwell door.

New theory from Laura Loomer's twitter account. She is the reporter that discovered that Paddock checked in MB on the 25th. Sheriff refused to take her question at press conference.

Theory is that Paddock worked for FBI, selling guns to ISIS (similar to Grand Prairie operation). LVPD knows the truth, but FBI won't let them disclose it.

https://t.co/bTb***c5xk?amp=1

Sub F a G into tweet above

https://twitter.com/PantherEyez7/status/917590861491220481/photo/1