If you know the story of Mars Hill or follow any of the young restless reformed crowd, it will be well worth your time.
Martin Q. Blank said:
What ever happened to him? In fact, I haven't heard much from that whole crowd - John Piper, Matt Chandler, Francis Chan, Kevin DeYoung.
Hey husbands and dads trying to help out with the laundry: turns out “fabric softener” is not just another name for “laundry detergent.” Who knew? Crazy times we live in.
— Kevin DeYoung (@RevKevDeYoung) March 26, 2021
I'll admit I don't the difference either.......but who doesn't just use Tide Pods these days?PacifistAg said:
Kevin DeYoung, a father of NINE children, is still struggling to learn how to do laundry. Poor wife.Hey husbands and dads trying to help out with the laundry: turns out “fabric softener” is not just another name for “laundry detergent.” Who knew? Crazy times we live in.
— Kevin DeYoung (@RevKevDeYoung) March 26, 2021
PacifistAg said:
Kevin DeYoung, a father of NINE children, is still struggling to learn how to do laundry. Poor wife.Hey husbands and dads trying to help out with the laundry: turns out “fabric softener” is not just another name for “laundry detergent.” Who knew? Crazy times we live in.
— Kevin DeYoung (@RevKevDeYoung) March 26, 2021
AGC said:PacifistAg said:
Kevin DeYoung, a father of NINE children, is still struggling to learn how to do laundry. Poor wife.Hey husbands and dads trying to help out with the laundry: turns out “fabric softener” is not just another name for “laundry detergent.” Who knew? Crazy times we live in.
— Kevin DeYoung (@RevKevDeYoung) March 26, 2021
I'm perplexed by this response. The tweet is from March. Did you search his Twitter feed until you found something to criticize? Or do you have that 'liked' for some reason?
10andBOUNCE said:
Piper continues to stand the test of time
PacifistAg said:
Yeah, I have quite a few issues with Piper. When you blame LGBTQIA people for tornados, or tell women to endure "perhaps being smacked one night, and then she seeks help from the church." then I'll just pass on by and not put much stock in what you say.
AGC said:Martin Q. Blank said:
What ever happened to him? In fact, I haven't heard much from that whole crowd - John Piper, Matt Chandler, Francis Chan, Kevin DeYoung.
Spectacular fall. The podcast is a great listen. It's part of what spurred my posts in the other thread.
Chan is catholic now of course. DeYoung is being accused of white supremacy despite not trying to be a white supremacist by Duke Kwon. Chandler is full SJW and ironically tied in to SBC sermongate because several years ago he endorsed Docent Research Group which hires non pastors without theology degrees to do exegetical analysis to create sermons for mega church pastors like Keller, Greear, Litton, etc.
c-jags said:AGC said:Martin Q. Blank said:
What ever happened to him? In fact, I haven't heard much from that whole crowd - John Piper, Matt Chandler, Francis Chan, Kevin DeYoung.
Spectacular fall. The podcast is a great listen. It's part of what spurred my posts in the other thread.
Chan is catholic now of course. DeYoung is being accused of white supremacy despite not trying to be a white supremacist by Duke Kwon. Chandler is full SJW and ironically tied in to SBC sermongate because several years ago he endorsed Docent Research Group which hires non pastors without theology degrees to do exegetical analysis to create sermons for mega church pastors like Keller, Greear, Litton, etc.
while i disagree on Chandler's political views when it comes to race a 0 sum game, i feel like he's still pretty darn biblical in his teachings from what i still read or listen to.
i can see how some people arrive at some different sjw issues from the Bible than i arrive at my personal opinion, but i haven't heard him go off the deep end.
i'm pretty critical of Russell Moore from a political perspective and that i think his comments outside of the Bible are pretty short-sided, but he's still a Bible believing Christian.
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Well that's the thing though: are they even his teaching?
Frok said:Quote:
Well that's the thing though: are they even his teaching?
Do you have any evidence his sermons are not his teaching other than the endorsement of the Docent Group?
Marvin_Zindler said:I'll admit I don't the difference either.......but who doesn't just use Tide Pods these days?PacifistAg said:
Kevin DeYoung, a father of NINE children, is still struggling to learn how to do laundry. Poor wife.Hey husbands and dads trying to help out with the laundry: turns out “fabric softener” is not just another name for “laundry detergent.” Who knew? Crazy times we live in.
— Kevin DeYoung (@RevKevDeYoung) March 26, 2021
Frok said:
Well that's not his theology, there are plenty of other sources of him preaching the perseverance of the saints and that anyone who is born of the Spirit will not perish.
I'd be curious on the context of the passage. It sounds like he is teaching to not live like those who are perishing but it certainly does read like he is saying you can lose your salvation.
But I know Piper doesn't believe that so I doubt that is the point he was trying to make.
dermdoc said:10andBOUNCE said:
Piper continues to stand the test of time
I do not believe in predetermined limited atonement so I do not read Piper much.
He also wrote a book on retirement where he stated that if you retired and did nothing except relax you could lose your salvation which seemed very odd for a "7 point"Calvinist.
He's not wrong. A friend of mine retired and wouldn't do anything but lay around and drink. One day he got so drunk he forgot where he put his salvation.dermdoc said:10andBOUNCE said:
Piper continues to stand the test of time
I do not believe in predetermined limited atonement so I do not read Piper much.
He also wrote a book on retirement where he stated that if you retired and did nothing except relax you could lose your salvation which seemed very odd for a "7 point"Calvinist.
This is correct. And that book was somewhat of an outgrowth of this very famous sermon from Passion OneDay in 2000. The famous shells illustration starts at 6:50Captain Positivity said:
It was in "Don't Waste Your Life." He used an example of a couple spending retirement walking around on the beach collecting shells as a wasted opportunity to do something meaningful. He imagines them in heaven and Jesus saying something like "What have you done for me?" and all they can say is "Look Lord, here are some shells." I don't recall it being linked to losing salvation but I haven't had a copy of that book in years.
Martin Q. Blank said:
Don't ever tell an evangelical they could lose their salvation. It's anathema.
Fair enough. But he is a proclaimed "seven point Calvinist" so nothing we do has any bearing on whether we are saved or not, correct?10andBOUNCE said:
I'm no theologian by any means, but it's one of those instances that if you're just coasting through life without any regard to the call and purpose Christ has for you, then you may not have really been regenerated like you think. You're not saved by saying a prayer in church one day. I believe Piper's argument is that if your life has boiled down to lounging on the beach without any regard to the cross of Christ and dying to self, then you may not really be saved. It may be uncomfortable to hear but there's a pretty good chance it's true.
I think the seashell example is a bit sensationalized however his point is valid as we Americans make these grand retirement plans that revolve around leisure, comfort and an attitude of ourselves being god.