Is it also fair to say that when we are born, we don't inherently understand that Jesus died for our sins, so that all who believe will be saved?
Sure seems like a lot of human works. YOU must.... Sounds like you believe we save ourselves.aggiedad20 said:
In Acts 11, we learn how Peter was to give the WORDS by which entire households will be saved.
Yet here in the TxAgs R&P cathedral, word salad is the only thing on the menu unfortunately.
You must HEAR the Gospel (Rom 10:17)
You must BELIEVE (Heb 11:6)
You must REPENT (Acts 3:19)
You must CONFESS (Rom 10:9)
You must be BAPTIZED (Acts 2:38)
You must be FAITHFUL until death (Rev 2:10)
The Gospel message is so simple. Pompous pseudo intellectual Texag threads like this one are fantastically empty, unlike the simplistic, saving Gospel message the world needs to hear. Tragic to say the least. Thankfully the audience here is limited.
dermdoc said:Sure seems like a lot of human works. YOU must.... Sounds like you believe we save ourselves.aggiedad20 said:
In Acts 11, we learn how Peter was to give the WORDS by which entire households will be saved.
Yet here in the TxAgs R&P cathedral, word salad is the only thing on the menu unfortunately.
You must HEAR the Gospel (Rom 10:17)
You must BELIEVE (Heb 11:6)
You must REPENT (Acts 3:19)
You must CONFESS (Rom 10:9)
You must be BAPTIZED (Acts 2:38)
You must be FAITHFUL until death (Rev 2:10)
The Gospel message is so simple. Pompous pseudo intellectual Texag threads like this one are fantastically empty, unlike the simplistic, saving Gospel message the world needs to hear. Tragic to say the least. Thankfully the audience here is limited.
Where is the free gift of grace? And I do agree the Gospel is simple. And good news.
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And my point is we never understand salvation. And, if understanding is a prerequisite for salvation what of people with mental challenges or other types of situations? Tough luck?
Zobel said:
"O, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments, and untraceable His ways!"
Obviously there are things we can understand, but there are things we won't understand until the end.
" For presently we see through a glass in obscurity; but then, face to face. Presently, I know in part; but then I will know fully, even as I have been fully known. "
aggiedad20 said:dermdoc said:Sure seems like a lot of human works. YOU must.... Sounds like you believe we save ourselves.aggiedad20 said:
In Acts 11, we learn how Peter was to give the WORDS by which entire households will be saved.
Yet here in the TxAgs R&P cathedral, word salad is the only thing on the menu unfortunately.
You must HEAR the Gospel (Rom 10:17)
You must BELIEVE (Heb 11:6)
You must REPENT (Acts 3:19)
You must CONFESS (Rom 10:9)
You must be BAPTIZED (Acts 2:38)
You must be FAITHFUL until death (Rev 2:10)
The Gospel message is so simple. Pompous pseudo intellectual Texag threads like this one are fantastically empty, unlike the simplistic, saving Gospel message the world needs to hear. Tragic to say the least. Thankfully the audience here is limited.
Where is the free gift of grace? And I do agree the Gospel is simple. And good news.
So are you a Calvinist now? I can't keep up
Zobel said:
"O, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments, and untraceable His ways!"
Obviously there are things we can understand, but there are things we won't understand until the end.
" For presently we see through a glass in obscurity; but then, face to face. Presently, I know in part; but then I will know fully, even as I have been fully known. "
Anyway, ad hominem isn't a real point. If you have something to discuss, feel free. It has been a rather pleasant and edifying conversation, and you're welcome to join.
dermdoc said:aggiedad20 said:dermdoc said:Sure seems like a lot of human works. YOU must.... Sounds like you believe we save ourselves.aggiedad20 said:
In Acts 11, we learn how Peter was to give the WORDS by which entire households will be saved.
Yet here in the TxAgs R&P cathedral, word salad is the only thing on the menu unfortunately.
You must HEAR the Gospel (Rom 10:17)
You must BELIEVE (Heb 11:6)
You must REPENT (Acts 3:19)
You must CONFESS (Rom 10:9)
You must be BAPTIZED (Acts 2:38)
You must be FAITHFUL until death (Rev 2:10)
The Gospel message is so simple. Pompous pseudo intellectual Texag threads like this one are fantastically empty, unlike the simplistic, saving Gospel message the world needs to hear. Tragic to say the least. Thankfully the audience here is limited.
Where is the free gift of grace? And I do agree the Gospel is simple. And good news.
So are you a Calvinist now? I can't keep up
No, I am a born again Christian. And have done everything on your "list". But only by the grace of God which you left out.
aggiedad20 said:dermdoc said:Sure seems like a lot of human works. YOU must.... Sounds like you believe we save ourselves.aggiedad20 said:
In Acts 11, we learn how Peter was to give the WORDS by which entire households will be saved.
Yet here in the TxAgs R&P cathedral, word salad is the only thing on the menu unfortunately.
You must HEAR the Gospel (Rom 10:17)
You must BELIEVE (Heb 11:6)
You must REPENT (Acts 3:19)
You must CONFESS (Rom 10:9)
You must be BAPTIZED (Acts 2:38)
You must be FAITHFUL until death (Rev 2:10)
The Gospel message is so simple. Pompous pseudo intellectual Texag threads like this one are fantastically empty, unlike the simplistic, saving Gospel message the world needs to hear. Tragic to say the least. Thankfully the audience here is limited.
Where is the free gift of grace? And I do agree the Gospel is simple. And good news.
So are you a Calvinist now? I can't keep up
aggiedad20 said:dermdoc said:aggiedad20 said:dermdoc said:Sure seems like a lot of human works. YOU must.... Sounds like you believe we save ourselves.aggiedad20 said:
In Acts 11, we learn how Peter was to give the WORDS by which entire households will be saved.
Yet here in the TxAgs R&P cathedral, word salad is the only thing on the menu unfortunately.
You must HEAR the Gospel (Rom 10:17)
You must BELIEVE (Heb 11:6)
You must REPENT (Acts 3:19)
You must CONFESS (Rom 10:9)
You must be BAPTIZED (Acts 2:38)
You must be FAITHFUL until death (Rev 2:10)
The Gospel message is so simple. Pompous pseudo intellectual Texag threads like this one are fantastically empty, unlike the simplistic, saving Gospel message the world needs to hear. Tragic to say the least. Thankfully the audience here is limited.
Where is the free gift of grace? And I do agree the Gospel is simple. And good news.
So are you a Calvinist now? I can't keep up
No, I am a born again Christian. And have done everything on your "list". But only by the grace of God which you left out.
But the thief on the cross didn't do half of that stuff on my "list"...
Maybe you work too hard Doc
Zobel said:
As I said, there are things we understand and things we don't - "but we have the mind of Christ."
St Paul is entreating Christians already baptized to understand. So is understanding a prerequisite?
aggiedad20 said:
So Calvinist aren't born again? I'm confused
You're quite* the judge it seems
aggiedad20 said:
Also, my "list" is only a few of God's commands. Just curious, what other commandments from God/Scripture can we ignore and still be saved?*
Give me your "list", Doc
Zobel said:
We don't, not completely. Because to understand salvation that you have to understand God's will, from beginning to end, including the Incarnation. No human can understand it, not entirely.
dermdoc said:aggiedad20 said:
Also, my "list" is only a few of God's commands. Just curious, what other commandments from God/Scripture can we ignore and still be saved?*
Give me your "list", Doc
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.
Love your neighbor as yourself.
Please quit putting words in my mouth. Thanks.aggiedad20 said:dermdoc said:aggiedad20 said:
Also, my "list" is only a few of God's commands. Just curious, what other commandments from God/Scripture can we ignore and still be saved?*
Give me your "list", Doc
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.
Love your neighbor as yourself.
So we can be saved and not love God?
Are you drinking again? Wow
dermdoc said:Please quit putting words in my mouth. Thanks.aggiedad20 said:dermdoc said:aggiedad20 said:
Also, my "list" is only a few of God's commands. Just curious, what other commandments from God/Scripture can we ignore and still be saved?*
Give me your "list", Doc
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.
Love your neighbor as yourself.
So we can be saved and not love God?
Are you drinking again? Wow
And sober as a rock.
God bless and have a great night.
Oh and as Paul wrote to Timothy, a little wine might settle your disposition.
You first.aggiedad20 said:dermdoc said:Please quit putting words in my mouth. Thanks.aggiedad20 said:dermdoc said:aggiedad20 said:
Also, my "list" is only a few of God's commands. Just curious, what other commandments from God/Scripture can we ignore and still be saved?*
Give me your "list", Doc
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.
Love your neighbor as yourself.
So we can be saved and not love God?
Are you drinking again? Wow
And sober as a rock.
God bless and have a great night.
Oh and as Paul wrote to Timothy, a little wine might settle your disposition.
Doc, God's grace doesn't allow us to ignore His commands.
And don't be a hypocrite about putting words in other's mouths please. You responded to me with something along the lines of I must believe that I can save myself, when nothing could be farther from the truth.
So spare us all your righteousness indignation.