Man, if they dropped Pattinson/Batman in episode 8 after Reeves dismissal comments, this show could potentially skyrocket to my favorite television show of all time.
*** THE PENGUIN *** (The Batman Spin-Off Series)
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Just show Batman perched up on a building watching Oz, then cut to black
Batman comes in and breaks Vic's arms for pulling his gun on Batman.ScottishFire said:
Man, if they dropped Pattinson/Batman in episode 8 after Reeves dismissal comments, this show could potentially skyrocket to my favorite television show of all time.
While that would be a very nice, very subtle nod to the Batman, I wanna see Batman come in and save Oz in the last episode when he is literally in a no escape situation. That would make me geek out so hard lolAgfromHOU said:
Just show Batman perched up on a building watching Oz, then cut to black
No matter what!
Epstein didn't do, you know, the thing...
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Epstein didn't do, you know, the thing...
I'm the rare Astros/Cowboys/Spurs fan. We do exist
Isn't there a rights or trademark issue preventing Batman from being involved in this show?
No. I'm pretty sure they got rid of the "bat embargo" they had going around the time of TDK trilogy
Did not know that. Great to hear. I would like to see some sort of mention of Batman in this show. The Penguin got chased down in a crazy car chase by a guy in a bat suit a few weeks, surely that is on his mind?AgfromHOU said:
No. I'm pretty sure they got rid of the "bat embargo" they had going around the time of TDK trilogy
Finally got to watch the latest episode last night.
Not 100% certain of the timing, but did anyone notice the soft music underneath the dialogue when Sofia and Eve are talking in Eve's apartment?
First few notes of Ave Maria... at least to my ear. Nice nod to the film.
Not 100% certain of the timing, but did anyone notice the soft music underneath the dialogue when Sofia and Eve are talking in Eve's apartment?
First few notes of Ave Maria... at least to my ear. Nice nod to the film.
They did mention "the Batman vigilante" in the opening scene of the first episode, about him helping the national guard at the end of the first movie
Mullet twins. #ThePenguin pic.twitter.com/hXo76msc6d
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Something just occurred to me. When/how did the Maronis steal the mushrooms? We see them steal the drops that were being transported, but we never see them steal the shrooms do we? It seems to happen offscreen between the end of episode 3 and the start of episode 5.
Something has been bugging me with Dr. Rush and I finally figured it out...he reminds me of Mike Damone from Fast Times at Ridgemont High:
Nice setup episode tonight although the death of Maroni was a little anticlimactic.
Nice setup episode tonight although the death of Maroni was a little anticlimactic.
Great episode.
Loved Oz's question to the thug - what the f*** did you call me?
Loved Oz's question to the thug - what the f*** did you call me?
Agreed, him dying of a heart attack was incredibly anticlimactic. Very odd choice.
Seemed in theme with other parts of the episode, what do these main characters actually want and not getting what they want
After the bomb I feel like Batman has to be included in some way now. Too big of an event to just gloss over him being in the city.
That's what I thought, too. Not anticlimactic but rather Oz being deprived of what he really wanted, to beat Maroni and claim victory.PatAg said:
Seemed in theme with other parts of the episode, what do these main characters actually want and not getting what they want
I don't often like flashbacks in episodes to when the main character was a kid, but the actor who played young Oz was spot-on, and the reveal that Oz has basically been a psychopath his entire life - one who will do whatever it takes to get whatever he wants (in this case killing his brothers for alone time with mom) - was incredibly effective.
That, and as much as I want Sofia to live/have a role in The Batman Part II, it feels like her fate was sealed this episode. She finally admitted to herself that what she truly wants is to be free - and clearly now has the means to leave Gotham behind/start a new life - but not before her blood lust gets the best of her, wanting one last time to see Oz suffer. I could be wrong, but that felt like one of those decisions a character is given, which is often a way out of their current predicament, but then they ultimately make the decision not to break the cycle and instead they inevitably fall victim to its temptation/grind (think DiCaprio's "I'm not leaving" moment in The Wolf of Wall Street, in which Cristin Milioti ironically also starred).
Regardless, I'm excited to see how it all plays out in the finale next week.
That, and as much as I want Sofia to live/have a role in The Batman Part II, it feels like her fate was sealed this episode. She finally admitted to herself that what she truly wants is to be free - and clearly now has the means to leave Gotham behind/start a new life - but not before her blood lust gets the best of her, wanting one last time to see Oz suffer. I could be wrong, but that felt like one of those decisions a character is given, which is often a way out of their current predicament, but then they ultimately make the decision not to break the cycle and instead they inevitably fall victim to its temptation/grind (think DiCaprio's "I'm not leaving" moment in The Wolf of Wall Street, in which Cristin Milioti ironically also starred).
Regardless, I'm excited to see how it all plays out in the finale next week.
I hope Dr Rush dies, so it removes any chance he will be in the movie
#ThePenguin
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Oz anytime his mom played with his brothers: pic.twitter.com/6tHiQgGddG
I loved The Batman, but for whatever reason, this just hasn't been on my radar at all. None of the trailers have really piqued my interest.
Throughout the whole series, Oz has been a ruthless, murderous traitor... but still with some level of likability. That went out the window for me when it was revealed he killed his brothers.Quote:
the reveal that Oz has basically been a psychopath his entire life - one who will do whatever it takes to get whatever he wants (in this case killing his brothers for alone time with mom)
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I loved how clear they made it where it was going. The second you saw the jealousy in his eyes when his brothers showed up at the apartment, you knew where things were going.
And it's ironic that hatch door that killed his brothers is the same one that he used to save his life while his crew got killed behind him.
Also, assuming all his guys are dead and mushrooms are destroyed, you have to wonder where things go from here for Batman Part II. I guess Oz has to start from scratch.
I think there's no way his mom survives. We know she's already ready to go. Oz will maybe "sacrifice" her as a way to accept punishment from Sofia, and then she'll either leave Gotham, or Oz/Vic kills her.
And it's ironic that hatch door that killed his brothers is the same one that he used to save his life while his crew got killed behind him.
Also, assuming all his guys are dead and mushrooms are destroyed, you have to wonder where things go from here for Batman Part II. I guess Oz has to start from scratch.
I think there's no way his mom survives. We know she's already ready to go. Oz will maybe "sacrifice" her as a way to accept punishment from Sofia, and then she'll either leave Gotham, or Oz/Vic kills her.
*Oz and Sofia destroying Gotham #ThePenguin
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
I loved how clear they made it where it was going. The second you saw the jealousy in his eyes when his brothers showed up at the apartment, you knew where things were going.
And it's ironic that hatch door that killed his brothers is the same one that he used to save his life while his crew got killed behind him.
Also, assuming all his guys are dead and mushrooms are destroyed, you have to wonder where things go from here for Batman Part II. I guess Oz has to start from scratch.
I think there's no way his mom survives. We know she's already ready to go. Oz will maybe "sacrifice" her as a way to accept punishment from Sofia, and then she'll either leave Gotham, or Oz/Vic kills her.
Start from scratch, yes… but presumably with no Falcones and no Maronis to compete with, thus making Oz the new kingpin. If I had to guess, he finally ends up on top, or at least with no other completion, until, hopefully in the final minutes/scene… we get the slightest hint of the villain(s) in The Batman Part II, who are teased as either his new competition or his new partner(s) of sorts.
They made a point about Oz admiring the Falcone's house in this episode.
I wonder if they're setting up that he takes the house once Sofia is off the table.
I wonder if they're setting up that he takes the house once Sofia is off the table.
Did I miss something with the flashback, I didnt get the impression he intentionally locked them in. He just freaked out on the ladder, and slammed it shut.
Now after that, he does make the decision to not speak up and tell his Mom what happened, and essentially decides to let them die.
It felt to me like he was wrestling with admitting what he did to his mom once it was getting later in the day, but they still could have been saved at that point if he did.
I thought they did a good job of showing how that could happen, and to me is a lot better and in keeping with how this world has been presented. A lot better than some evil kid who kills his brothers on purpose out of jealousy.
Now after that, he does make the decision to not speak up and tell his Mom what happened, and essentially decides to let them die.
It felt to me like he was wrestling with admitting what he did to his mom once it was getting later in the day, but they still could have been saved at that point if he did.
I thought they did a good job of showing how that could happen, and to me is a lot better and in keeping with how this world has been presented. A lot better than some evil kid who kills his brothers on purpose out of jealousy.
I also liked this note, and is just good writing. He told Vic that he knew about this place because he and his brothers would play down there, and now we have a WHOLE lot more backstory to that lol. Dude is a piece of workBrian Earl Spilner said:
I loved how clear they made it where it was going. The second you saw the jealousy in his eyes when his brothers showed up at the apartment, you knew where things were going.
And it's ironic that hatch door that killed his brothers is the same one that he used to save his life while his crew got killed behind him.
Also, assuming all his guys are dead and mushrooms are destroyed, you have to wonder where things go from here for Batman Part II. I guess Oz has to start from scratch.
I think there's no way his mom survives. We know she's already ready to go. Oz will maybe "sacrifice" her as a way to accept punishment from Sofia, and then she'll either leave Gotham, or Oz/Vic kills her.
A small detail I liked was showing Rex Calabrese was just some random street-level thug that was having a dude beat up on the street. Nothing like the guy he's been talking up the entire show.
Kind of goes to show he built up this persona mostly in his head, the ideal of what he wanted for himself, and not based in reality.
Kind of goes to show he built up this persona mostly in his head, the ideal of what he wanted for himself, and not based in reality.
This is how I took it. Not some diabolical plan to drown them. He basically saw an angle to get mom to himself and didn't realize it would fill with water. But then he did make a decision not to say anything, partly to avoid being in trouble/blamed
My mind went more towards De Niro in Heat - he knew what he should've disappeared after the bank heist, but dude just had to go and kill Waingro.TCTTS said:
I don't often like flashbacks in episodes to when the main character was a kid, but the actor who played young Oz was spot-on, and the reveal that Oz has basically been a psychopath his entire life - one who will do whatever it takes to get whatever he wants (in this case killing his brothers for alone time with mom) - was incredibly effective.
That, and as much as I want Sofia to live/have a role in The Batman Part II, it feels like her fate was sealed this episode. She finally admitted to herself that what she truly wants is to be free - and clearly now has the means to leave Gotham behind/start a new life - but not before her blood lust gets the best of her, wanting one last time to see Oz suffer. I could be wrong, but that felt like one of those decisions a character is given, which is often a way out of their current predicament, but then they ultimately make the decision not to break the cycle and instead they inevitably fall victim to its temptation/grind (think DiCaprio's "I'm not leaving" moment in The Wolf of Wall Street, in which Cristin Milioti ironically also starred).
Regardless, I'm excited to see how it all plays out in the finale next week.
****ing Waingro.
I also noticed that, and it's why details like that make this show so damn good. Os is a sociopath, he has been since he was a kid, hence what happened to his brothers. What he wants is the only thing that matters. He constructs narratives in his own head to justify what he does and who he wants to be. And since his mother has memory issues he's constantly shaping her reality as well, they only live partially in the real world, so much of what they both live in is a product of his imagination.Brian Earl Spilner said:
A small detail I liked was showing Rex Calabrese was just some random street-level thug that was having a dude beat up on the street. Nothing like the guy he's been talking up the entire show.
Kind of goes to show he built up this persona mostly in his head, the ideal of what he wanted for himself, and not based in reality.
PatAg said:
Did I miss something with the flashback, I didnt get the impression he intentionally locked them in. He just freaked out on the ladder, and slammed it shut.
Now after that, he does make the decision to not speak up and tell his Mom what happened, and essentially decides to let them die.
It felt to me like he was wrestling with admitting what he did to his mom once it was getting later in the day, but they still could have been saved at that point if he did.
I thought they did a good job of showing how that could happen, and to me is a lot better and in keeping with how this world has been presented. A lot better than some evil kid who kills his brothers on purpose out of jealousy.
Right after he shuts the door he yells, "Have fun gettin' out!" Then, as he walks away, he can hear both of his brothers yelling/pleading with him to open the door. I don't think their deaths were premeditated in that exact moment, but then yeah, pretty soon after, once the rain starts coming down hard, he's looking out the window of his family's apartment and makes a distinct decision to let his brothers die, when he pauses for second at his mom's questioning, then doubles down with the Beetlejuice lie (the last movie Tim Burton directed just before Batman). So, for all intents and purposes, he definitely decides to kill his brothers that day and, IMO, whether he made the decision that afternoon, in the moment, or that evening, is of little consequence.