IMO, I don't think Penguin was ever meant to be a primary villain. More than anything, he's like a cockroach who can't be killed, mostly hiding in the walls, but we'll see him scurry across the floor from time to time. He only had "five or six" scenes in the first movie, so that sounds about right for the second movie as well. Maybe in the third movie he'll have a bit more to do, or at least one, last memorable showdown with Batman. And probably another season of TV just before that, it sounds like.

As for the true villain for Part II, it's looking more and more like the Court of Owls, and then one of either Hush, Clayface, or maybe even Mr. Freeze. Those seem to be the leading rumored candidates as of now. Then, of course, there's talk of limited appearances from Riddler and Joker again (with Joker all but confirmed to be the main villain in the third movie). In other words, there's no shortage of potential there, and Batman will more than have his hands full in that regard.

‘The Penguin’ ended on a high note with 2.1M U.S. cross-platform viewers tuning in across HBO and Max for the finale on Sunday.

That’s another audience high for the DC series, up 50% from its debut night viewership, according to Warner Bros. Discovery https://t.co/JjUvmUaexY pic.twitter.com/IjaOxLUtxq

— Deadline (@DEADLINE) November 11, 2024

Matt Reeves shares how the finale of #ThePenguin will connect to #TheBatman Part II. pic.twitter.com/aAGQdbldHW

— Rotten Tomatoes (@RottenTomatoes) November 11, 2024

Just cold

Newly found family. #ThePenguin pic.twitter.com/KC9zS8mk06

— The Penguin (@TheBatman) November 11, 2024

I knew someone would die, but damn, he did Vic dirty

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I'm also thinking now that Oz has convinced himself that he didn't kill his brothers or that they just died on their own when they drowned.

He's crossed over to being insane, with his sociopathy, the brother situation, and how he is treating his mom/Eve.

I also saw something about how Eve's last name is Karlo, and how she always changed her appearance (even looking like his mom at the end). Clayface's name in the comics? Basil Karlo. His original shape shifting was just disguises with molding clay on his face, not being a mud monster.

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Interesting observation. I am excited to see where this Batman world goes with the villains. They seemed to blue some lines already with The Riddler and Hush, morphing Eve into Clayface could play well too. I am out of my depth when it comes to the origins of these characters and how they can be used in a film/series in the Reeves world.

VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

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AgfromHOU said:

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I'm also thinking now that Oz has convinced himself that he didn't kill his brothers or that they just died on their own when they drowned.

He's crossed over to being insane, with his sociopathy, the brother situation, and how he is treating his mom/Eve.

I also saw something about how Eve's last name is Karlo, and how she always changed her appearance (even looking like his mom at the end). Clayface's name in the comics? Basil Karlo. His original shape shifting was just disguises with molding clay on his face, not being a mud monster.

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Interesting observation. I am excited to see where this Batman world goes with the villains. They seemed to blue some lines already with The Riddler and Hush, morphing Eve into Clayface could play well too. I am out of my depth when it comes to the origins of these characters and how they can be used in a film/series in the Reeves world.

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If they stick with the pseudo realism in the first movie and the show, then Court of Owls is a prime big bad with other villains like Hush, Black Mask, etc would be a good fit. Especially since they have little to no screen time form previous movies.

Sofia burning the house down was another Nirvana song of Where Did You Sleep Last Night like Batman using Something in the Way

Mythbusters taught us that you can't light gasoline with a cigarette. I'll admit it looked cool, but do better.

The gangs #2 killing #1 reminded me of the Godfather murder montage ending

Amazing makeup work for Farrell to give the deathbed and Vic performance through the prosthetics.

Penguin took a long look at the Mayor. Foreshadowing future political aspirations?

Kid Penguin was great. Even if at times it sounded like he was auditioning to be in Guys and Dolls

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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On paper, I get the logic of it. But it just didn't work for me. It felt like the plot needed it more than a real character moment for me.

If it was all about removing all weakness, he should've killed his mother too.

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It wasn't JUST removing weakness - it was removing a threat as well.

His whole monologue to Sofia of how he got the drop on her also helps explain the reasoning. He used the #2s in each org to take out the boss - even explained how they were always treated like nothing until they got their chance. He wasn't going to let his #2 be there for the same potential shot at him.

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curtains are oddly shaped like an owl....in a COURT room of all places 🤔 pic.twitter.com/6Y4ll5MlO9

— Joe (@portermuaddib04) November 11, 2024

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Cool about the owl curtains but it's not a courtroom. The mayor isn't a judge.

It's the council room.

I see Oz in a Palpatine-type role for the series going forward.

The main villains in each movie will likely either be working for him, or with him.

“Why is Gotham really this way? That’s one of the big questions that I think the show and the movie do ask. Why is this place filled with such despair? How can this persist? Why do people not find a way to wade through it?” - Matt Reeves pic.twitter.com/NnLEojJksw

— Johnny Sobczak (@JohnnySobczak) November 12, 2024

Matt Reeves reveals Vic almost met Bruce Wayne in 'THE PENGUIN'.

"We tried a few different ideas conceptually... One idea they toyed with was having Bruce Wayne appear before Vic,... but even that ended up throwing things off too much."

(Via @Ew | https://t.co/oKEsnz2lHa) pic.twitter.com/AQeDdq0V3T

— DC Film News (@DCFilmNews) November 12, 2024

Seriously an amazing episode

What did Selina want to tell Sofia?#ThePenguin 🐧 pic.twitter.com/4LqQmBjp0i

— Officer Martinez ➐ (@CBMovieFan) November 12, 2024

Entertaining enough, I think. I did enjoy it but I agree with some of the previous posters re: sloppy/super convenient writing. However, it may be worth the watch for the acting alone. Penguin/Sophia were obviously really good… but did anyone else thing the guy playing Vic was really good as well? One of my favorite performances I've seen recently.

I like that.

I have always wondered how actors feel towards incredibly dramatic scenes they did. Colin seems to try to keep from really paying attention to the scene, as if it was an actual traumatic event in his life he doesn't want to relive.

Rewatched The Batman last night. Can't wait for this.

Quad Dog said:

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Sofia burning the house down was another Nirvana song of Where Did You Sleep Last Night like Batman using Something in the Way

Mythbusters taught us that you can't light gasoline with a cigarette. I'll admit it looked cool, but do better.

The gangs #2 killing #1 reminded me of the Godfather murder montage ending

Amazing makeup work for Farrell to give the deathbed and Vic performance through the prosthetics.

Penguin took a long look at the Mayor. Foreshadowing future political aspirations?

Kid Penguin was great. Even if at times it sounded like he was auditioning to be in Guys and Dolls

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You telling me the flashback scene I AD'd in Dude Bro Party Massacre III where Motherface is standing in a pool of gasoline and then the naked chick lights Brock's cigarette and he takes a drag then says "looks like you're flame... ******ed" then flicks the cigarette and burns her a live can't happen in real life?