A guy just testified under oath in Congress that we’ve removed alien bodies from crashed UFOs. pic.twitter.com/jGa8VKVHRx

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) July 26, 2023

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Congress won't stop, they all now know this is real and also that laws are being broken.

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Congress all of a sudden caring about laws being broken…

TCTTS said:

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Officer David Grush declares under oath for the first time that the US government is in possession of UFOs and non-human bodies. pic.twitter.com/ltLk6caSQo

— Anonymous (@YourAnonOne) July 26, 2023

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Leak some names and companies to Anonymous and they'll find things.

Big fan of Rep. Mace. Some representatives have a reputation for yelling at and humiliating and dominating staffers. I would definitely be interested if she has an opening.

I honestly don't get how Fravor's account and the video from his jet alone wasn't enough to get the world's attention. How does anyone explain that away as nonsense?

Former US intelligence official David Grusch claims under oath that aliens exist and that the US government is in possession of UFOs and non-human bodies. pic.twitter.com/oZ6J66dy4F

— Pop Base (@PopBase) July 26, 2023

What if all the sci-fi boom starting in the early 90's surrounding getting the truth out was predictive programming? Think X-Files and the big story arc there. Mainstreaming the idea since there had been a half century at that point of making the subject taboo. And we are just now at a moment where society as a whole is open enough for it to go further mainstream. Interesting to ponder.

Reminder of the credible, informed, well credentialed people putting their ability to stay out of prison at risk for the sake of stating, under oath, that aliens exist.

AgBQ-00 said:

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What if all the sci-fi boom starting in the early 90's surrounding getting the truth out was predictive programming? Think X-Files and the big story arc there. Mainstreaming the idea since there had been a half century at that point of making the subject taboo. And we are just now at a moment where society as a whole is open enough for it to go further mainstream. Interesting to ponder.

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If you believe Tom Delonge, this is exactly what the WH has been doing for at least the past 10 years.

AgBQ-00 said:

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What if all the sci-fi boom starting in the early 90's surrounding getting the truth out was predictive programming? Think X-Files and the big story arc there. Mainstreaming the idea since there had been a half century at that point of making the subject taboo. And we are just now at a moment where society as a whole is open enough for it to go further mainstream. Interesting to ponder.

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How are you defining that? Most people consider the early 80s as the explosion of sci-fi and fantasy media. And there was certainly tons of it, high profile, everywhere even before that, too.

Not hard to explain if inter-dimensional / spiritual that can materialize, just as humans are embodied spirits heavily tied to the material (with some creations less so tied). Would fit also with the many testimonies of telepathy as communication.

My explanation here:
https://texags.com/forums/15/topics/3382956

Cliff.Booth said:

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I honestly don't get how Fravor's account and the video from his jet alone wasn't enough to get the world's attention. How does anyone explain that away as nonsense?

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I watched a fairly convincing video explaining how a stationary or slow moving object might appear to be moving very fast relative to another object moving very fast. Also, supposedly the rotation of the Gimbal object could have been an artifact caused as the FLIR pod camera rotated to track the object. Sounds plausible to me. The thing that is really interesting, though, is the revelation that the Nimitz, Princeton, and an E2 Hawkeye all had the Tic Tacs on radar/sensor tracking. That would completely eliminate mundane explanations like camera flares or parallax artifacts.

True...you get that flavor in close encounters, and a little in E.T. But in my estimation much of the sci-fi before the 90's was more focused on the exploits of a future human civilization that was out exploring. With X-Files, the tone changed and was done in a slow drip sort of way in episodic vs feature length works. Seemed to shift to more of a quest to revealing a secret that is being hidden from the public. You can kinda draw a straight line from there to Firefly/Serenity in that vein as well. Just something that has been on my mind since this has gone more mainstream since 2017.

ETA: even feature length works i.e. ID4 had this tone. Look at the Marvel universe (slight genre shift) as well with Stark's struggle with coming to terms of aliens coming to Earth and destroying cities. Just seems different.

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Cliff.Booth said:

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I honestly don't get how Fravor's account and the video from his jet alone wasn't enough to get the world's attention. How does anyone explain that away as nonsense?

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I watched a fairly convincing video explaining how a stationary or slow moving object might appear to be moving very fast relative to another object moving very fast. Also, supposedly the rotation of the Gimbal object could have been an artifact caused as the FLIR pod camera rotated to track the object. Sounds plausible to me. The thing that is really interesting, though, is the revelation that the Nimitz, Princeton, and an E2 Hawkeye all had the Tic Tacs on radar/sensor tracking. That would completely eliminate mundane explanations like camera flares or parallax artifacts.

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That's the thing though, you have to completely disregard Fravor's account and only look at the video evidience in order to dismiss it. I get eyewitnesses can be wrong though, so I understand, but to me it is a very weak alternate explanation.

It is not a secret that government insiders use media to get messages out. Whether that is just planting ideas, suggestions on how to cover something or outright planting info (fake or real) to shape a narrative. All I am pondering is if someone/org has been using media to destigmatize the subject in preparation for "disclosure". Like I said earlier it is interesting to think about.

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Graves and Fravor are pushing for a centralized reporting process that includes commercial pilots as well as military.

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This is the money grab. A whole new group of employees and a database to track it and a crew of people to investigate. Jobs, jobs jobs. Budget, budget, budget.

Money printing just got popular again! (Was it ever not popular?)

The sightings of the different shaped craft date back centuries at least. The claims of abduction are still there as they have been for much further back than the 70's to 80's. Most if not all of human history is dotted with paranormal/unexplained. Figuring out what those events and occurrences are is important. Which I think is the point of the hearings in getting that ball rolling. But back to my point: and your argumentation augments it well, the subject has been so tabooed and derided that people roll their eyes even considering it. So, it could be that there is some validity in the thought that some are trying and roll part of that back with popular culture and media.
Now are there charlatans out there that use the nebulous boundaries of paranormal/unexplained to grift and gain popularity etc.? Absolutely there are. But there are also earnest and credible witnesses and researchers that look into it as well.

My stance on this is I don't know what is being seen. We hear from very credible witnesses in numbers that are huge. Would be nice to know what they are seeing. Is it secret programs that are seen by happenchance? Could be. Is it human tech that is classified? I'm sure that plays into it. Is it as we have now in sworn testimony in congress, off-world non-human tech? I won't be so arrogant as to rule that out. And that is the point of the thread. We don't know.

With the type of UAP described today, here is another interesting video. Yes it's History channel, but it looks to be VERY similar to what was described by the pilots.

I thought Anonymous was mainly full of script kiddies.

I watched every minute of The Phenomenon recently, which even people on here have described as the perfect introduction to get up to speed and a serious synopsis of this whole thing.

In that show alone there were multiple high-profile examples, all pre-digital camera, of encounters right up close. Being a few feet away, watching the creatures walk around their ship, describing the windows in the ship, seeing the creatures waving, etc. The witnesses are right there next to the ships, or in the same field, or directly underneath them. Over and over. In the 1975 abduction there were like 5 guys in the truck watching up close. But now with billions of HD cameras around the world over two and a half decades or more we don't have one clear up close photo. Billions!! And not a single one. And when you point that out it's dismissed because "cell phone cameras are crap at long distances" or some nonsense.

Unreal. And that alone utterly demolishes any credibility this might have until proven definitively otherwise.

Abduction stories never stopped. What we don't hear about are the many testimonies of it being "stopped" (I think this is related to aestral projection / DMT) by appealing to Jesus.

Rocagnante said:

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They literally said today pilots have passed within 50 ft of these things. So your statement they're always 10 miles away or more is wrong. I don't know why you are being obtuse on that point.

And yes we all want more proof. We get it. No need to repeat it over and over.

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No no, the excuse I'm given is that they're always that far away.

Here's an example from this very thread:

As for the whole photo/video thing, when was the last time you captured on your phone a car wreck happening in real time? And even if you did, these "car wrecks" are thousands of feet away, if not hundreds of miles and away. So of course the footage is going to be blurry.

So countless famous episodes over decades of UFO lore exist of witnesses that were right up next to the craft, feet away, but for the last 30 years and billions of HD cameras this hasn't happened once. It's simply not credible at all.

Regarding electronics: many testimonies of failure / battery drain - and across time and environment too, many decades to now.

Right, I'm sorry, I was getting hung up on the trans-dimensional aliens when it's really about astral projections by or of Jesus or something. Thanks for correcting me..

The point is that dimensions other than our materialist understanding exists. Ask any resident of Eastern Washington state about the UFO / Bigfoot connect.

Or, listen:
https://theunexplained.tv/episodes/edition-738-james-szubski

I just knew Bigfoot was coming..

But thank you, I do appreciate your input.

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TCTTS said:

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Agreed.

(Now, prepare for a dozen posts telling you how it's going be blue balls for eternity.)

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Grusch appears willing to discuss behind closed doors with anyone with sufficient clearance. The more he does then things will begin to leak. Which will hopefully force things with those controlling access to the proof.

I still can't shake this feeling the past 4-5 years is all a big ruse but it's certainly becoming harder to keep my marker there.

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Bob Lazar wasn't lying back in 1989.