***** TED LASSO S3 THREAD *****

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jeffk said:

Soooo many Wizard of Oz references this episode. Just layers of character growth that all are hitting perfectly.

Really excited that they're potentially going to stick the landing with this.

What do y'all think the mistresses wanted to talk to Rebecca about?


How to run West Ham
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TXAG 05 said:

Another great episode. So many different things going on.

Anyone think Roy and Keely in that tunnel with the flickering lights was a reference to Harry Potter?
I said it must be dementors causing Jamie's depression.
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spadilly said:

Also, Ted being embarrassed by his mom's personality (which is exactly like his) was pretty great.


"Boy, I Love Meeting People's Moms. It's Like Reading an Instruction Manual as to Why They're Nuts."
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GrayMatter said:

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PatAg said:

I don't see a scenario where Nate can come back to the team after the way he left, but I do like that they show him attempting to make amends for genuine reasons.
I think he gets hired on at a different club.
I can see it happening easily. Ted still has a soft spot for Nate. On his way out, he gives a long speech about forgiveness and redemption and asks the team to take him back and they do so.
A cool story arc with this one is Rule #4 of Total Football.

"Forgiveness"


You mostly nailed this.
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I'm going to cry at Trent's wrap up of this show…
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85aggie777 said:

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We haven't discussed the Rebecca/Sam interaction.

I really hope they aren't rekindling that relationship. It was never believable and, imo, not a good addition to the show
I could be wrong, but I took their interaction as a brief way to show they can be around each other as friends now and have moved on.


There going to get back together
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No major or minor sub plot is safe from the happy endings the show wants to give us, even Jamie's dad who was a complete psycho ******* and "who will never, ever change" is shown in a rehab apparently.

They might even go so far as to have Sam (who handed her a green matchbook) and Rebecca get back together and Sam manages to slip a shot past her barren goalkeep, leading to her having a kid/family. But surely that is too much, even for this show, and her dutch soulmate might show up and find her.
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I think part of what tends to make this show great is that while it may seem predictable, its really only been the end results that people have been able to predict. The path it takes to get there has not been predictable
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Great, great episode.

To the criticism above that the final interaction with mom was clunky, I thought it was beautifully executed. Ted had been inexplicably uncomfortable all show with his mom (not a normal Ted trait). He was by design out of character as he struggled with some deep issues. I thought the "clunkiness" was in line with how uncomfortable a conversation like this was for Ted and would be for any of us.
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Agthatbuilds said:

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Predictions-

-Roy becomes the gaffer- still think this is going to happen
-Nate quits west ham and takes up the Poland national team head coach and moves there with jade, going out on his own and accepting that he is indeed the man in his life who matters-new prediction he's going to be roy asst
-bantr uses Collin as a spokesman and takes off in multiple directions
-ted goes back to Kansas
-coach beard follows Ted. While he is a wild card, he does not exist without Ted
-Rebecca remains who she is, only realizing she has already has a child like person in her life she can pour into- keely
-Jamie moves on to a bigger club, but as an all around better player and star- maybe back to man city?
- the last episode ends with a reading by and from Trent crimms new book about the lasso way-definitely ending this way




Feeling pretty good about my predictions this morning
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Trent Crimm has to have some kind of article or expose that comes out or that whole line is (another) useless dead end.
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jeffk said:

What do y'all think the mistresses wanted to talk to Rebecca about?

Prediction: Rupert has Cancer. He's going to apologize to Rebecca. She's going to forgive him.
Thanks and gig'em
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Aggie_Journalist said:

jeffk said:

What do y'all think the mistresses wanted to talk to Rebecca about?

Prediction: Rupert has Cancer. He's going to apologize to Rebecca. She's going to forgive him.
Rebecca already said "I no longer care about beating him"

Like Jaimie said he no longer cares about the anger he had for his dad.

I guess Nate was also shown as understanding and perhaps forgiving his father.

Ted had his confrontation with his mommy issues.

Everything getting tidied up

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Is Pep the only real life soccer coach we've had on the show so far?
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Man, I am shocked at the near-unanimous praise. I thought the plotting was a total mess, barreling toward the conclusion they determined for each character without much thought about how to get there.

Nate is the clearest example - there has been basically no reflection on how horribly he acted to everyone in Season 2. I mean, he gave the note to Will, but that's one small drop. Ted, the players (including Colin), everyone else...we're just supposed to see him get a great job from a jerk, hate it, and think "aww, he gets it now, everyone welcome him back!"

All of the stuff around him is confusing as well - why does Jade actually like him after despising him for so long? She just really impressed by him managing West Ham? That...doesn't track with anything we know about her. Why would Colin and Isaac want to come ask him back? The team is on a 15 game win streak! They don't need Nate! That was devoid of any character motivation, just wanted us to be set up with Beard as the only holdout for the last scene to land.

What about Jamie? His crisis came out of absolutely nowhere. Couldn't we have sprinkled some inkling of this in prior episodes? As presented, he needed to have a crisis so he could go see his mom and have the "looking through the crowd" scenes land. And then we seem to have resolved it by the end of the episode so we can get to the next thing. Also, his dad in rehab? Why? Just...happy endings for all, I guess. Sort of a get out of jail free card for that dude.


The thing I liked best was Ted and his mom, particularly when they finally fought it out. That's Ted actually showing some character growth, which is great.

Side note on Jade - was I the only one wondering (hoping?) that she was actually gone and a figment of Nate's imagination? There were several scenes where he looked for her and she was gone. THAT I could have gotten on board with.
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I dont recall another.

Obviously been some real soccer stars, including Jimmy Conrad last week. Not sure how he pulled that off
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Totally agree that the Nate stuff has been terrible this year and with your specific criticism, but I've decided to just write that storyline off. It doesn't work for me, so I'm ignoring it.

I liked that the rest was based around the team. Jamie was fine with me. People have ups and downs and it made sense that he would be thinking about his dad for a game at City.
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FtWorthHorn said:

Man, I am shocked at the near-unanimous praise. I thought the plotting was a total mess, barreling toward the conclusion they determined for each character without much thought about how to get there.

Nate is the clearest example - there has been basically no reflection on how horribly he acted to everyone in Season 2. I mean, he gave the note to Will, but that's one small drop. Ted, the players (including Colin), everyone else...we're just supposed to see him get a great job from a jerk, hate it, and think "aww, he gets it now, everyone welcome him back!"

All of the stuff around him is confusing as well - why does Jade actually like him after despising him for so long? She just really impressed by him managing West Ham? That...doesn't track with anything we know about her. Why would Colin and Isaac want to come ask him back? The team is on a 15 game win streak! They don't need Nate! That was devoid of any character motivation, just wanted us to be set up with Beard as the only holdout for the last scene to land.

What about Jamie? His crisis came out of absolutely nowhere. Couldn't we have sprinkled some inkling of this in prior episodes? As presented, he needed to have a crisis so he could go see his mom and have the "looking through the crowd" scenes land. And then we seem to have resolved it by the end of the episode so we can get to the next thing. Also, his dad in rehab? Why? Just...happy endings for all, I guess. Sort of a get out of jail free card for that dude.


The thing I liked best was Ted and his mom, particularly when they finally fought it out. That's Ted actually showing some character growth, which is great.

Side note on Jade - was I the only one wondering (hoping?) that she was actually gone and a figment of Nate's imagination? There were several scenes where he looked for her and she was gone. THAT I could have gotten on board with.

I saw many of these same issues. Have all season. Sometimes the good outweighs the bad and sometimes it doesn't.
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I think there's alot left to imagination/assumption and the timeline is very skewed.

It's not too surprising that man city week led Jaime to losing all self confidence as it reminds him of both his dad and his earlier failures. It's clear he had to work through that.

I personally don't think the "fight" between Ted and his mom worked, for me. Ted was naive. And, does he not talk to his own mother at all? Ever? But, she was used to deliver the news of how much his son misses him and give the ratatouille moment with the bread.

I also don't believe beard wouldn't have seen nate hiding under the desk on the video. It's not like it's that long between him ripping the paper and the team entering the locker room.

But, in the end, it's tv. We're going to have to jump to some conclusions.
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How awesome would it be if they set it to One Shining Moment??
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I agree on the clumsy handling of Nate's arc, but that's been an ongoing complaint from S1. So many of his huge changes in character happen off screen or are simply alluded to or done with small references. And there is a lot of time that passes between episodes too, so I'm sure that's what the writers would point to if asked why there wasn't more critical moments shown.

As for Jamie, I disagree. This match against City was huge for him personally. He grew up down the street from the stadium, grew up in a household that supported the team, and then even played for the club. He knew his dad would be there and the last time they spoke was when he decked him following a game in S2. The pressure was just finally getting to him.
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Agthatbuilds said:

I dont recall another.

Obviously been some real soccer stars, including Jimmy Conrad last week. Not sure how he pulled that off


I saw him mention on Twitter that he dropped by the shooting and they worked him into a scene.
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jeffk said:

I agree on the clumsy handling of Nate's arc, but that's been an ongoing complaint from S1. So many of his huge changes in character happen off screen or are simply alluded to or done with small references. And there is a lot of time that passes between episodes too, so I'm sure that's what the writers would point to if asked why there wasn't more critical moments shown.


But Nate's season 2 arc, when you rewatch it, is really tight and well-done. His betrayal felt like it came out of nowhere, but they had actually put the seeds all throughout the season. I thought that was a really good example of a character decision which was shocking in the moment but made a lot of sense in context.
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FtWorthHorn said:

jeffk said:

I agree on the clumsy handling of Nate's arc, but that's been an ongoing complaint from S1. So many of his huge changes in character happen off screen or are simply alluded to or done with small references. And there is a lot of time that passes between episodes too, so I'm sure that's what the writers would point to if asked why there wasn't more critical moments shown.


But Nate's season 2 arc, when you rewatch it, is really tight and well-done. His betrayal felt like it came out of nowhere, but they had actually put the seeds all throughout the season. I thought that was a really good example of a character decision which was shocking in the moment but made a lot of sense in context.
Agree. It was really well done. It probably made him more of an ******* than they intended because it has led to his "redemption" arc ringing hollow to so many viewers this year. He feels bad that Rupert sets him up on dates and he folds some laundry and that's supposed to redeem him?? The hostess goes from being nonplussed by him to moving in with him in a couple months???
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Really liked this episode but it's pretty clear they are racing towards getting everything tied up before the finale. Nate's story arch is a great example that someone mentioned. They simply don't have enough time and some parts are going to feel clunky.


All of that aside, I still loved this episode. I think one of the things I really like about the show are the "in between" moments and one liners that are just sprinkled in throughout each episode. Last night had a great example.

As Jamie is walking all across Manchester and comes across the kids playing football outside. They give him all sorts of **** and he just smirks and shrugs it off as thats how it should be. Maybe he even sees himself in those kids at that moment.

Had that scene ended there, it would have been just fine/no notes. But then we have intimidating Roy turn around seemingly about to rip into these terrified kids and drop the line, "Good lads". The kids just absolutely lose it with excitement. Its those sort of things that really help flesh out the series for me.
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PatAg said:

I think part of what tends to make this show great is that while it may seem predictable, its really only been the end results that people have been able to predict. The path it takes to get there has not been predictable
I don't recall where I read it, but paraphrasing a similar idea in a screenwriting book: "Take your viewers where they think they're going, but surprise them in how they get there."
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I've had no problem with Nate's arc. He's struggled with feelings of inadequacy since the beginning of the show; it's been clear that he's been uncomfortably searching for his identity throughout the first 2 seasons. He thought he could be ruthless in season 3, but realized that it's an empty kind of life by being around Rupert instead of Ted. My only complaint is that the season's structure hasn't allowed everyone's story to breathe a bit more.
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G Martin 87 said:

I've had no problem with Nate's arc. He's struggled with feelings of inadequacy since the beginning of the show; it's been clear that he's been uncomfortably searching for his identity throughout the first 2 seasons. He thought he could be ruthless in season 3, but realized that it's an empty kind of life by being around Rupert instead of Ted. My only complaint is that the season's structure hasn't allowed everyone's story to breathe a bit more.

Agree with this, and it's why I'm frustrated with the Keely situation. Almost two episodes' worth of runtime on her and Jack that went nowhere, and she's really no different now than before.

That time could have been used much more effectively
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Loved the "stealing a loaf of meth" line
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FtWorthHorn said:

jeffk said:

I agree on the clumsy handling of Nate's arc, but that's been an ongoing complaint from S1. So many of his huge changes in character happen off screen or are simply alluded to or done with small references. And there is a lot of time that passes between episodes too, so I'm sure that's what the writers would point to if asked why there wasn't more critical moments shown.


But Nate's season 2 arc, when you rewatch it, is really tight and well-done. His betrayal felt like it came out of nowhere, but they had actually put the seeds all throughout the season. I thought that was a really good example of a character decision which was shocking in the moment but made a lot of sense in context.


No, I'm aware of all the little things they did over the course of S2 to facilitate his turn... I just don't find all of it as compelling as it was intended to be. Also, the undoing of it all here in S3 sort of undermines all that effort imo.
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Did they break his nose and give him a mask, just for it to be the mask of Zorreaux?
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FtWorthHorn said:

jeffk said:

I agree on the clumsy handling of Nate's arc, but that's been an ongoing complaint from S1. So many of his huge changes in character happen off screen or are simply alluded to or done with small references. And there is a lot of time that passes between episodes too, so I'm sure that's what the writers would point to if asked why there wasn't more critical moments shown.


But Nate's season 2 arc, when you rewatch it, is really tight and well-done. His betrayal felt like it came out of nowhere, but they had actually put the seeds all throughout the season. I thought that was a really good example of a character decision which was shocking in the moment but made a lot of sense in context.


Thinking about Nate and the complaint that his character arc happens off screen really calls to mind Roy's speech to the journalists in the press conference. You never know what someone is going through. We have been in the shoes of Ted or Richmond when it comes to the Nate storyline. We don't know why he craves recognition. We don't know why he feels left out in Season 2 when Roy returns. We don't know why he quit Westham. But if we rewatch, there are clues. In life, we don't get to rewatch. We have to be perceptive to those around us and catch the little tells in real time. Everyone is going through something, can we be selfless enough to recognize those things and be a better friend, boss, spouse, parent?

That is my biggest take away from this series, and they have done a splendid job portraying that over and over. And it all started with Rebecca going through a rough divorce/betrayal that set all this in motion.

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For some random reason, I was watching the funeral episode from S2 the other day, and noticed for the first time that Rupert pulled Nate aside and spoke with him privately in the church parking lot. It didn't register then that Rupert was planting the notion of leaving in Nate's head back then, but it help explain how it became much easier for Nate to turn.
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I love the callback to season 1 bonfire scene. Jamie's mom called him her "sexy little babay"
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Okay, here's another question for the room: Regarding the soccer season, do you think Richmond

A) wins the final game and the league championship
B) loses the final game and the championship
C) it's left ambiguous

I think the writers are going to hit us with a FNL montage ending. Outcome of the game might be alluded to but not obvious/happening on screen and then we see characters moving on with their next steps while some dramatic music (or maybe a Trent Crimm voiceover) plays in the background.
 
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