jeffk said:
Soooo many Wizard of Oz references this episode. Just layers of character growth that all are hitting perfectly.
Really excited that they're potentially going to stick the landing with this.
What do y'all think the mistresses wanted to talk to Rebecca about?
I said it must be dementors causing Jamie's depression.TXAG 05 said:
Another great episode. So many different things going on.
Anyone think Roy and Keely in that tunnel with the flickering lights was a reference to Harry Potter?
spadilly said:
Also, Ted being embarrassed by his mom's personality (which is exactly like his) was pretty great.
GrayMatter said:A cool story arc with this one is Rule #4 of Total Football.Marauder Blue 6 said:I can see it happening easily. Ted still has a soft spot for Nate. On his way out, he gives a long speech about forgiveness and redemption and asks the team to take him back and they do so.PatAg said:
I don't see a scenario where Nate can come back to the team after the way he left, but I do like that they show him attempting to make amends for genuine reasons.
I think he gets hired on at a different club.
"Forgiveness"
85aggie777 said:I could be wrong, but I took their interaction as a brief way to show they can be around each other as friends now and have moved on.Agthatbuilds said:
We haven't discussed the Rebecca/Sam interaction.
I really hope they aren't rekindling that relationship. It was never believable and, imo, not a good addition to the show
Agthatbuilds said:Agthatbuilds said:
Predictions-
-Roy becomes the gaffer- still think this is going to happen
-Nate quits west ham andtakes up the Poland national team head coach and moves there with jade, going out on his own and accepting that he is indeed the man in his life who matters-new prediction he's going to be roy asst
-bantr uses Collin as a spokesman and takes off in multiple directions
-ted goes back to Kansas
-coach beard follows Ted. While he is a wild card, he does not exist without Ted
-Rebecca remains who she is, only realizing she has already has a child like person in her life she can pour into- keely
-Jamie moves on to a bigger club, but as an all around better player and star- maybe back to man city?
- the last episode ends with a reading by and from Trent crimms new book about the lasso way-definitely ending this way
Feeling pretty good about my predictions this morning
jeffk said:
What do y'all think the mistresses wanted to talk to Rebecca about?
Rebecca already said "I no longer care about beating him"Aggie_Journalist said:jeffk said:
What do y'all think the mistresses wanted to talk to Rebecca about?
Prediction: Rupert has Cancer. He's going to apologize to Rebecca. She's going to forgive him.
FtWorthHorn said:
Man, I am shocked at the near-unanimous praise. I thought the plotting was a total mess, barreling toward the conclusion they determined for each character without much thought about how to get there.
Nate is the clearest example - there has been basically no reflection on how horribly he acted to everyone in Season 2. I mean, he gave the note to Will, but that's one small drop. Ted, the players (including Colin), everyone else...we're just supposed to see him get a great job from a jerk, hate it, and think "aww, he gets it now, everyone welcome him back!"
All of the stuff around him is confusing as well - why does Jade actually like him after despising him for so long? She just really impressed by him managing West Ham? That...doesn't track with anything we know about her. Why would Colin and Isaac want to come ask him back? The team is on a 15 game win streak! They don't need Nate! That was devoid of any character motivation, just wanted us to be set up with Beard as the only holdout for the last scene to land.
What about Jamie? His crisis came out of absolutely nowhere. Couldn't we have sprinkled some inkling of this in prior episodes? As presented, he needed to have a crisis so he could go see his mom and have the "looking through the crowd" scenes land. And then we seem to have resolved it by the end of the episode so we can get to the next thing. Also, his dad in rehab? Why? Just...happy endings for all, I guess. Sort of a get out of jail free card for that dude.
The thing I liked best was Ted and his mom, particularly when they finally fought it out. That's Ted actually showing some character growth, which is great.
Side note on Jade - was I the only one wondering (hoping?) that she was actually gone and a figment of Nate's imagination? There were several scenes where he looked for her and she was gone. THAT I could have gotten on board with.
Agthatbuilds said:
I dont recall another.
Obviously been some real soccer stars, including Jimmy Conrad last week. Not sure how he pulled that off
But Nate's season 2 arc, when you rewatch it, is really tight and well-done. His betrayal felt like it came out of nowhere, but they had actually put the seeds all throughout the season. I thought that was a really good example of a character decision which was shocking in the moment but made a lot of sense in context.jeffk said:
I agree on the clumsy handling of Nate's arc, but that's been an ongoing complaint from S1. So many of his huge changes in character happen off screen or are simply alluded to or done with small references. And there is a lot of time that passes between episodes too, so I'm sure that's what the writers would point to if asked why there wasn't more critical moments shown.
Agree. It was really well done. It probably made him more of an ******* than they intended because it has led to his "redemption" arc ringing hollow to so many viewers this year. He feels bad that Rupert sets him up on dates and he folds some laundry and that's supposed to redeem him?? The hostess goes from being nonplussed by him to moving in with him in a couple months???FtWorthHorn said:But Nate's season 2 arc, when you rewatch it, is really tight and well-done. His betrayal felt like it came out of nowhere, but they had actually put the seeds all throughout the season. I thought that was a really good example of a character decision which was shocking in the moment but made a lot of sense in context.jeffk said:
I agree on the clumsy handling of Nate's arc, but that's been an ongoing complaint from S1. So many of his huge changes in character happen off screen or are simply alluded to or done with small references. And there is a lot of time that passes between episodes too, so I'm sure that's what the writers would point to if asked why there wasn't more critical moments shown.
I don't recall where I read it, but paraphrasing a similar idea in a screenwriting book: "Take your viewers where they think they're going, but surprise them in how they get there."PatAg said:
I think part of what tends to make this show great is that while it may seem predictable, its really only been the end results that people have been able to predict. The path it takes to get there has not been predictable
G Martin 87 said:
I've had no problem with Nate's arc. He's struggled with feelings of inadequacy since the beginning of the show; it's been clear that he's been uncomfortably searching for his identity throughout the first 2 seasons. He thought he could be ruthless in season 3, but realized that it's an empty kind of life by being around Rupert instead of Ted. My only complaint is that the season's structure hasn't allowed everyone's story to breathe a bit more.
FtWorthHorn said:But Nate's season 2 arc, when you rewatch it, is really tight and well-done. His betrayal felt like it came out of nowhere, but they had actually put the seeds all throughout the season. I thought that was a really good example of a character decision which was shocking in the moment but made a lot of sense in context.jeffk said:
I agree on the clumsy handling of Nate's arc, but that's been an ongoing complaint from S1. So many of his huge changes in character happen off screen or are simply alluded to or done with small references. And there is a lot of time that passes between episodes too, so I'm sure that's what the writers would point to if asked why there wasn't more critical moments shown.
FtWorthHorn said:But Nate's season 2 arc, when you rewatch it, is really tight and well-done. His betrayal felt like it came out of nowhere, but they had actually put the seeds all throughout the season. I thought that was a really good example of a character decision which was shocking in the moment but made a lot of sense in context.jeffk said:
I agree on the clumsy handling of Nate's arc, but that's been an ongoing complaint from S1. So many of his huge changes in character happen off screen or are simply alluded to or done with small references. And there is a lot of time that passes between episodes too, so I'm sure that's what the writers would point to if asked why there wasn't more critical moments shown.
