*****The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power*****

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10:37p, 10/2/22
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I swear I heard a bit of Angmar(sp?) theme right after Theo is holding the hilt. Might need to rewatch it.

The other part that I'm wondering now is Halbrand asking Adar if he recognized him. Couple that with Adar saying he "killed" Sauron. They played it off as killing a loved one, but that makes me think he's Sauron.
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In reply to TCTTS • 12:05a, 10/3/22
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Already mentioned.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 12:41a, 10/3/22
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
Pretty funny to try to poke holes in the show to try and ridicule "the masses" who enjoyed it, only to fall on your face showing you clearly didn't pay attention.
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6:48a, 10/3/22
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I thought the Habrand/Adar exchange of Halbrand all cocky saying "Do you remember me?" and Adar responding "No." was great. Such a deflating moment as their past has been seared into Halbrand's memory and has defined his decision-making for the past years. And to just be deflated after finally being able to confront his enemy, just a fantastic response by Adar.

Reminded me of this:

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In reply to Legal Custodian • 7:50a, 10/3/22
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 10:05a, 10/3/22
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Now that's an obscure 90's-kid movie reference...

One of my guilty pleasure movies.

I mean JCVD was such a great Guile it isn't even funny.
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10:36a, 10/3/22
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10:50a, 10/3/22
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Dumb question so I apologize in advance:

I've never thought about Mount Doom in the fact that it's constantly erupting, is that right? I'm not sure I remember that in the books but could be very wrong.

So is it constantly erupting because that damn has broken and there's a constant stream of water going into it? That doesn't sound right to me especially with the scenes of the forging of the one ring and its subsequent destruction. Plus the new environment wouldn't necessarily condone a free flowing river unless the underground tunnel system is protecting it from the elements.

If that's not it, we just have to accept that Mount Doom is constantly erupting due to "reasons"? Or that Sauron's power is making it erupt.

Overall this isn't a big deal but what just curious if other's had some explanation.
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In reply to Legal Custodian • 10:52a, 10/3/22
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Legal Custodian said:
Dumb question so I apologize in advance:

I've never thought about Mount Doom in the fact that it's constantly erupting, is that right? I'm not sure I remember that in the books but could be very wrong.

So is it constantly erupting because that damn has broken and there's a constant stream of water going into it? That doesn't sound right to me especially with the scenes of the forging of the one ring and its subsequent destruction. Plus the new environment wouldn't necessarily condone a free flowing river unless the underground tunnel system is protecting it from the elements.

If that's not it, we just have to accept that Mount Doom is constantly erupting due to "reasons"? Or that Sauron's power is making it erupt.

Overall this isn't a big deal but what just curious if other's had some explanation.
It's pretty much assumed in LOTR that Sauron's powers are causing it to erupt.
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In reply to powerbelly • 10:57a, 10/3/22
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powerbelly said:

It's pretty much assumed in LOTR that Sauron's powers are causing it to erupt.
This. In the LotR, Sauron sends ash and such from Mt Doom to cover the land ahead of his armies. It's viewed as more of a power of his, not a natural thing.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 11:58a, 10/3/22
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Brian Earl Spilner said:




That particular tower was the one that fell on the orcs was it not? Maybe they rebuild Barad-Dur in its place.
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In reply to Cromagnum • 12:02p, 10/3/22
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Yeah, but I just thought it was a cool bit of foreshadowing.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 12:02p, 10/3/22
Very cool. Really am enjoying this show much more than I thought I would.

At this point I'm ready for the Sauron appearance. Feels like that's going to be the last 5 minutes of the last episode of the season the way things are going right now.

I hope they show Sauron in episode 7 and let episode 8 be the fallout from that with Sauron in his alternate form starting to cause distrust.
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In reply to Beat40 • 12:07p, 10/3/22
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I think the Sauron reveal and character execution will make or break this show. Most LOLTR media has him as the big bad that we never see. We see his puppets and machines, but never him.

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12:16p, 10/3/22
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I don't think we get a "reveal" of Sauron this season. My guess is that's going to be end of season 2. I bet we get a mysterious visitor to Celebrimbor to show him how to "save the elves" by using mythril to forge the elven rings of power. Technically, that is Sauron, but he won't be revealed as such, and I doubt they make it all that obvious that it is.

Which is a shame. I think the constant "mystique" of who is or is not Sauron really detracts from the story, but that is my opinion.
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In reply to powerbelly • 12:23p, 10/3/22
powerbelly said:
I think the Sauron reveal and character execution will make or break this show. Most LOLTR media has him as the big bad that we never see. We see his puppets and machines, but never him.

I agree - the handling of Sauron is a huge crux for this show.
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In reply to Maximus_Meridius • 12:33p, 10/3/22
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I don't think we get a "reveal" of Sauron this season. My guess is that's going to be end of season 2. I bet we get a mysterious visitor to Celebrimbor to show him how to "save the elves" by using mythril to forge the elven rings of power. Technically, that is Sauron, but he won't be revealed as such, and I doubt they make it all that obvious that it is.

Which is a shame. I think the constant "mystique" of who is or is not Sauron really detracts from the story, but that is my opinion.
I do think they are playing a bit on the existing knowledge that Sauron has an alternate form. If that knowledge didn't exist, the way this show is written, I think we'd just be waiting to see the big bad. So in that sense, I agree with your opinion that who Sauron is or not is not helping the show. I think Sauron needs to show up and be seen influencing things.

From there I wouldn't mind it playing out in one of two ways:

1) Treat Sauron as essentially a Thanos type character where the audience knows who his alternate form is and knows how Sauron is influencing things.

2) Keep Sauron's alternate form a mystery for the audience to figure out. As long as Sauron is out in the open and we get to see his actual form influencing bits, I don't mind the mystery of trying to decipher who his alternate form is.
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In reply to Beat40 • 12:35p, 10/3/22
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Beat40 said:
powerbelly said:
I think the Sauron reveal and character execution will make or break this show. Most LOLTR media has him as the big bad that we never see. We see his puppets and machines, but never him.

I agree - the handling of Sauron is a huge crux for this show.
You mean the stakes are high for a tv show to put a face on the most iconic, faceless, pure evil god in all of the entire history of fiction literatur? Lol, i really hadnt thought that through till now. yep, i'd say that's a pretty tough bar.
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12:38p, 10/3/22
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I think its a bit interesting they're going with the 'sympathetic' adar and poor orc children approach.
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12:56p, 10/3/22
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Not a spoiler, but does anyone think any of the Celebrimbor stuff will mimic Shadow of Mordor storyline/background?

Sooner or later Celebrimbor is gonna get the mithril hammer from "Sauron"
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In reply to OnlyForNow • 12:59p, 10/3/22
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OnlyForNow said:
Not a spoiler, but does anyone think any of the Celebrimbor stuff will mimic Shadow of Mordor storyline/background?

Sooner or later Celebrimbor is gonna get the mithril hammer from "Sauron"
IIRC that hammer is a creation for the game.
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In reply to powerbelly • 1:15p, 10/3/22
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Ehh, I see your point, but the rings of power are 1) magical and 2) an unknown material.

Might make sense that the mithril is part of or 100% their source material.

The sell of "get the mithril to save the elves" how is it going to be disseminated out to the elves?
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In reply to OnlyForNow • 1:17p, 10/3/22
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OnlyForNow said:
Ehh, I see your point, but the rings of power are 1) magical and 2) an unknown material.

Might make sense that the mithril is part of or 100% their source material.

The sell of "get the mithril to save the elves" how is it going to be disseminated out to the elves?
I think that this is coming from Sauron in some form. I am just saying the mithril hammer was a creation for the games.
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In reply to powerbelly • 1:20p, 10/3/22
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No, I get that.

But I'm thinking about how, physically, the rings of power would need to be smithed and worked... gonna take something magical and powerful to do it - I don't think a regular old smith hammer would work on the rings - so I can see that being worked into the storyline.
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In reply to OnlyForNow • 1:22p, 10/3/22
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OnlyForNow said:
No, I get that.

But I'm thinking about how, physically, the rings of power would need to be smithed and worked... gonna take something magical and powerful to do it - I don't think a regular old smith hammer would work on the rings - so I can see that being worked into the storyline.
Haven't they already shown us Feanor's hammer? He crafted the Simarils so it isn't just an ordinary hammer.
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1:24p, 10/3/22
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Aren't the elves making some super powerful forge or something, too? That's why Celebrimbor asked for Elrond's help.
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In reply to chase128 • 1:38p, 10/3/22
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Correct. The Elves aren't capable of making a forge that powerful which is why Elrond was sent to the dwarves for help.
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In reply to powerbelly • 1:40p, 10/3/22
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I don't remember that scene, but MAYBE.
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1:52p, 10/3/22
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Again, another dumb question. The tower the elves/dwarves are building isn't Orthanc (Isengard), is it? Where is this tower supposed to be on the map?
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In reply to Legal Custodian • 1:54p, 10/3/22
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Again, another dumb question. The tower the elves/dwarves are building isn't Orthanc (Isengard), is it? Where is this tower supposed to be on the map?
In the books Orthanc is built by Dunedain, not Elves. Eregion (where this tower is to be built) is on the West side of the Misty mountains and abandoned by the time Frodo and the Fellowship travel through during the third age.
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In reply to KCup17 • 1:56p, 10/3/22
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KCup17 said:
Correct. The Elves aren't capable of making a forge that powerful which is why Elrond was sent to the dwarves for help.
Elves can't build a forge. Orcs who can't even go outside use the third-grade diorama technique to make the hottest forge in world history.
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In reply to cbr • 2:45p, 10/3/22
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I think its a bit interesting they're going with the 'sympathetic' adar and poor orc children approach.

I think it is not only the most interesting concept in the show, it is also the one that works the best.

In a way, I'm rooting for the orcs against the Southlanders and Numenorians.
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In reply to Legal Custodian • 2:47p, 10/3/22
Legal Custodian said:
Again, another dumb question. The tower the elves/dwarves are building isn't Orthanc (Isengard), is it? Where is this tower supposed to be on the map?
No. Or at least, it shouldn't be. Orthanc is built by Gondor at the height of its power.

It's in Ost-in-Edhil, which is the capital of Eregion.

Looking at a map, It would be West of the Misty Mountains, a little ways south of where Rivendell eventually is. If memory serves, it should be at the intersection of two rivers coming from the mountains.
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In reply to Solo Tetherball Champ • 2:50p, 10/3/22
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cbr said:
I think its a bit interesting they're going with the 'sympathetic' adar and poor orc children approach.

I think it is not only the most interesting concept in the show, it is also the one that works the best.

In a way, I'm rooting for the orcs against the Southlanders and Numenorians.
The orcs stole home field advantage from the Southlanders, so they've got that going for them.

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5:16p, 10/3/22
Think Halbrand flashing blacksmith skills is of any importance?
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