I think Tom is more like an old grandad. He's been around the block, done all kinds of stuff and is now ready to just relax and enjoy what he likes. All these young whipper snappers are running all around chasing skirts and ready to take down the man and he's just watering his tomatoes thinking, "meh whatever. Don't smoke your cigarettes around my garden and you can do whatever you want."
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Lol, i cant say I'm any clearer, but i appreciate the effort!
Best theory I've come across so far regarding who Halbrand really is:
He's the King of the Dead. He, Galadriel, Elendil, and Isildur, leave Numenor to ME. Galadriel and possibly Isildur help him assume Kingship of his people. Then when Isildur calls him to join a battle, Halbrand refuses and is cursed by Isildur. That's the most likely story line with what's been shown of his story.
He isn't Sauron because Sauron goes to Numenor to corrupt the Numenoreans against the Valar. At this point in the series, they are already corrupted.
He's the King of the Dead. He, Galadriel, Elendil, and Isildur, leave Numenor to ME. Galadriel and possibly Isildur help him assume Kingship of his people. Then when Isildur calls him to join a battle, Halbrand refuses and is cursed by Isildur. That's the most likely story line with what's been shown of his story.
He isn't Sauron because Sauron goes to Numenor to corrupt the Numenoreans against the Valar. At this point in the series, they are already corrupted.
Fun theory, but how is that the "most likely story line", lol.
I get an Ewok vibe during the Harfoot scenes. They're cute simpletons who are supposed to appeal to children. Hopefully they'll play a more significant role in later episodes, or at least set a path that makes Bilbo and Frodo possible.
I had no idea the Harfoots and Dwarves were taking shots at regional sections of the UK. I guess it's not just Americans who see that sort of thing everywhere in media.
Harfoots are ****ing loyal as long as you don't fall behind during the migration. It is laughable. Might make sense if they presented the peril that they face during migration... maybe we are about to get a glimpse into that? When they said decaravanned, I couldn't stop laughing at how ridiculous it was.
Yeah, I mean, are they gonna post guards that won't let you follow them as they are trodding along? Or break the wheels off your cart?
De-Caravaned?The Collective said:
Harfoots are ****ing loyal as long as you don't fall behind during the migration. It is laughable. Might make sense if they presented the peril that they face during migration... maybe we are about to get a glimpse into that? When they said decaravanned, I couldn't stop laughing at how ridiculous it was.
Blue wizard someday explaining his eccentricities to a friend: Oh, yeah, I was raised by Harfoots.
Brian Earl Spilner said:The Porkchop Express said:
So, onto show discussion - what are the current betting odds on the ID of the stranger? Is this our Sauron?
My predictions would be:
1. A blue wizard
2. Balrog
3. New character
4. Gandalf
5. Sauron (But this one just doesn't make much sense to me as Sauron should still physically exist.)
I haven't really followed the IP limitations, so I don't know if they would prevent it, but I wonder if it could be Tom Bombadil. He's extremely powerful but there isn't much background on him so it could be a pretty blank slate for the writers, which is what they need.
I know the speculation has been on the blue wizards but the way he appeared in a meteor to me suggests someone even more unique, which would fit the bill as Tom Bombadil.
Tom Bombadil will never translate well to screen. I am probably done with the show if meteor guy is Tom Bombadil.DTP02 said:Brian Earl Spilner said:The Porkchop Express said:
So, onto show discussion - what are the current betting odds on the ID of the stranger? Is this our Sauron?
My predictions would be:
1. A blue wizard
2. Balrog
3. New character
4. Gandalf
5. Sauron (But this one just doesn't make much sense to me as Sauron should still physically exist.)
I haven't really followed the IP limitations, so I don't know if they would prevent it, but I wonder if it could be Tom Bombadil. He's extremely powerful but there isn't much background on him so it could be a pretty blank slate for the writers, which is what they need.
I know the speculation has been on the blue wizards but the way he appeared in a meteor to me suggests someone even more unique, which would fit the bill as Tom Bombadil.
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Just finished a rewatch of The Fellowship of the Ring Extended version on HBO Max. I can't believe this movie was made over 20 years ago. Every rewatch, it gets better and better. I don't follow the books but after watching the first 3 episodes of the Rings of Power, It makes the first movie better. The scene where they are trying to open the door to Moria by solving the riddle makes more sense after seeing younger Elrond attempting to enter Khazad-dm.
The Tolkien Professor's thoughts:
Top three things I hope are not true in the RoP:
— Tolkien Professor (@tolkienprof) September 12, 2022
1. Durin's Bane emerges during the show
2. Halbrand is Sauron
3. The Stranger is Gandalf (Team Blue Wizard!)
None will be deal breakers for me, but I'll be disappointed.
I'd bet dollars to donuts that #1 is almost assuredly going to happen in the later seasons (season 5 maybe?).
They make #2 true and my hope for the show will absolutely plummet
#3 is likely to happen, and will be disappointing but I won't consider it a dealbreaker...yet...
They make #2 true and my hope for the show will absolutely plummet
#3 is likely to happen, and will be disappointing but I won't consider it a dealbreaker...yet...
Morgoth had 7 Balrogs at most - 2 killed in the Fall of Gondolin (Glorfindel soloed up and got incredible loot). So if the Balrog in the trailer isn't Durin's Bane, then I guess there's another Balrog hanging out in some really dark place.Quincey P. Morris said:
The Tolkien Professor's thoughts:Top three things I hope are not true in the RoP:
— Tolkien Professor (@tolkienprof) September 12, 2022
1. Durin's Bane emerges during the show
2. Halbrand is Sauron
3. The Stranger is Gandalf (Team Blue Wizard!)
None will be deal breakers for me, but I'll be disappointed.
powerbelly said:Tom Bombadil will never translate well to screen. I am probably done with the show if meteor guy is Tom Bombadil.DTP02 said:Brian Earl Spilner said:The Porkchop Express said:
So, onto show discussion - what are the current betting odds on the ID of the stranger? Is this our Sauron?
My predictions would be:
1. A blue wizard
2. Balrog
3. New character
4. Gandalf
5. Sauron (But this one just doesn't make much sense to me as Sauron should still physically exist.)
I haven't really followed the IP limitations, so I don't know if they would prevent it, but I wonder if it could be Tom Bombadil. He's extremely powerful but there isn't much background on him so it could be a pretty blank slate for the writers, which is what they need.
I know the speculation has been on the blue wizards but the way he appeared in a meteor to me suggests someone even more unique, which would fit the bill as Tom Bombadil.
That's the Tom Bombadil of what, a thousand years later, though.
But after reading some more of this thread and being reminded of more of his background, I agree he doesn't fit. The only thing that made me think of him initially is his uniqueness and his not being aligned with a side.
Most likely a blue wizard or Gandalf as most suspect.
Durin's Bane was supposedly hibernating from the time of the fall of Morgoth through its awakening in the Third Age. Maybe it woke up in the Second Age to take a leak.The Porkchop Express said:Morgoth had 7 Balrogs at most - 2 killed in the Fall of Gondolin (Glorfindel soloed up and got incredible loot). So if the Balrog in the trailer isn't Durin's Bane, then I guess there's another Balrog hanging out in some really dark place.Quincey P. Morris said:
The Tolkien Professor's thoughts:Top three things I hope are not true in the RoP:
— Tolkien Professor (@tolkienprof) September 12, 2022
1. Durin's Bane emerges during the show
2. Halbrand is Sauron
3. The Stranger is Gandalf (Team Blue Wizard!)
None will be deal breakers for me, but I'll be disappointed.
Tolkien contradicted himself regarding the number of Balrogs. In other writings, he listed their numbers as much larger.
Random question about LOTR
When they arrive at Moria, Gimli is clearly expecting to be greeted and hosted by the dwarves there, right? But once inside, it looks like they've been dead for ages.
How did no one know that the dwarves were all dead and the Orcs had taken over Khazad Dum (however it's spelled)
When they arrive at Moria, Gimli is clearly expecting to be greeted and hosted by the dwarves there, right? But once inside, it looks like they've been dead for ages.
How did no one know that the dwarves were all dead and the Orcs had taken over Khazad Dum (however it's spelled)
I don't understand the point of introducing meteor man's character so early in the series if we're not gonna find out who he is or what he's there for until a later season.
Part of Gimli's mission for going to Elrond and then with the Fellowship was to find out what happend to Balin and the Dwarves that went back to Moria...as no one had heard from them in a while.
Timeline says Balin died in Third Age 2994, and Frodo entered Moria in 3019, so close to 30 years.AgE2theBONE said:
Random question about LOTR
When they arrive at Moria, Gimli is clearly expecting to be greeted and hosted by the dwarves there, right? But once inside, it looks like they've been dead for ages.
How did no one know that the dwarves were all dead and the Orcs had taken over Khazad Dum (however it's spelled)
I have to promise my daughter that Gollum isn't going to show up before she relaxes to watch each episode, she's terrified of him.
The Porkchop Express said:
I have to promise my daughter that Gollum isn't going to show up before she relaxes to watch each episode, she's terrified of him.
My fiance watched the LotR trilogy with me for the first time after we started dating. She cheered when "crackhead Dobby" fell into the lava
Balin (one of the Dwarves of Bilbo's adventures documented in the Hobbit) figured it was time to re-settle Moria after the battle of 5 armies depleted the numbers of orcs in the misty mountains. He took a company of dwarves with him to resettle the place. As we learn in LOTR it didn't go very well. After no word from Balin after many years (30) Dain, king under the mountain, sends gloin and gimil to Elrond to ask for help/inform him him that moria was a no go place again.AgE2theBONE said:
Random question about LOTR
When they arrive at Moria, Gimli is clearly expecting to be greeted and hosted by the dwarves there, right? But once inside, it looks like they've been dead for ages.
How did no one know that the dwarves were all dead and the Orcs had taken over Khazad Dum (however it's spelled)
AgE2theBONE said:
I don't understand the point of introducing meteor man's character so early in the series if we're not gonna find out who he is or what he's there for until a later season.
Gotta give something to the Harfoots to warrant the screen time I guess.
Nevertheless after a 30 year silence I think it's fair to say Gimli was unreasonably optimistic as to what they may find (at least as far as the flick goes).ja86 said:Balin (one of the Dwarves of Bilbo's adventures documented in the Hobbit) figured it was time to re-settle Moria after the battle of 5 armies depleted the numbers of orcs in the misty mountains. He took a company of dwarves with him to resettle the place. As we learn in LOTR it didn't go very well. After no word from Balin after many years (30) Dain, king under the mountain, sends gloin and gimil to Elrond to ask for help/inform him him that moria was a no go place again.AgE2theBONE said:
Random question about LOTR
When they arrive at Moria, Gimli is clearly expecting to be greeted and hosted by the dwarves there, right? But once inside, it looks like they've been dead for ages.
How did no one know that the dwarves were all dead and the Orcs had taken over Khazad Dum (however it's spelled)
I don't think it's the first time a dwarf kingdom halted communications for long stretches of time with outsiders.Faustus said:Nevertheless after a 30 year silence I think it's fair to say Gimli was unreasonably optimistic as to what they may find (at least as far as the flick goes).ja86 said:Balin (one of the Dwarves of Bilbo's adventures documented in the Hobbit) figured it was time to re-settle Moria after the battle of 5 armies depleted the numbers of orcs in the misty mountains. He took a company of dwarves with him to resettle the place. As we learn in LOTR it didn't go very well. After no word from Balin after many years (30) Dain, king under the mountain, sends gloin and gimil to Elrond to ask for help/inform him him that moria was a no go place again.AgE2theBONE said:
Random question about LOTR
When they arrive at Moria, Gimli is clearly expecting to be greeted and hosted by the dwarves there, right? But once inside, it looks like they've been dead for ages.
How did no one know that the dwarves were all dead and the Orcs had taken over Khazad Dum (however it's spelled)
Gimli was family though.
Book Gimli wasn't so sanguine, so it's just a movie thing.
https://www.reddit.com/r/lotr/comments/8aucvw/why_didnt_gimli_know_about_what_happened_to_moria/
Book Gimli wasn't so sanguine, so it's just a movie thing.
https://www.reddit.com/r/lotr/comments/8aucvw/why_didnt_gimli_know_about_what_happened_to_moria/
I don't really get why people are bothered by this. I thought it was fantastic to look at a tribal people who are vulnerable to lots of danger (remember they are child sized) and need to get from one safe haven to another in a limited time. Basically if you fall behind you are left behind. Heck it happened during American wagon trains to Oregon. Why would we be shocked it happens here?
AgE2theBONE said:
Random question about LOTR
When they arrive at Moria, Gimli is clearly expecting to be greeted and hosted by the dwarves there, right? But once inside, it looks like they've been dead for ages.
How did no one know that the dwarves were all dead and the Orcs had taken over Khazad Dum (however it's spelled)
I have a random question too after watching the Extended Version of The Return of the King. Why did Legalos kill Grima after he stabbed Sarumon? It seemed unnecessary. Is that hiw he died in the books?
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