I have a question about Odium, do we have a rough timeline of events of his movements, specifically in regards to the humans on Ashyn? I can't imagine Pdium creating humans so I assume they were already there. Were there humans on ashyn and singers on roshar pre shattering, then the 2 shards move to Roshar and become the singers Gods, while Ashyn was shardless? Did the humans have access to whatever form of surgebinding before honor and cultivation made it to roshar? Did odiums arrival affect it? Are these questions we're still waiting on?
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https://coppermind.net/wiki/Odium
I don't believe humans on Roshar or Singers were created by Shards, but by Adonalsium. I think what happened with Mistborn was rare due to how their shards intents were in synergy to create.
Creation and initial killings Edit
Odium was created at the Shattering, around ten-thousand Rosharan years before the True Desolation, when the creator god, Adonalsium, was killed by sixteen people, splitting it into sixteen Shards. One of those killers was Rayse, who chose for himself the Shard of Odium.
At some point after Ascending, Odium went after one of his fellow Shards, Ambition, as he felt most threatened by her Intent. However, before he could find her, he located two other Shards, Devotion and Dominion, in the Selish system. Because they had settled together, Odium attacked them, since he could argue that they were breaking the agreement the Vessels made about not being in the same system as another Shard. Through means unknown, Odium killed and Splintered them both.To prevent their remaining power from gaining intelligence of its own, he then pulled it out of the Spiritual Realm and into the Cognitive, creating the Dor and causing Sel's magic systems to become location-dependent. He wasn't very experienced at the time, and his countermeasure failed as the Dor did, indeed, begin to gain a measure of sentience.
After creating the Dor, Odium went on to the Threnodite system, where he found and attacked his initial target, Ambition. During the fight, Ambition was dealt a grievous wound, and chunks of her power were flung across the system. Ambition managed to flee the system, but was still Splintered in a fight with Odium.The Shard Mercy was also involved in at least one battle with Ambition and Odium. These clashes resulted in a wound in the Spiritual Realm and had "disturbing" effects that "twisted" the planet Threnody and its inhabitants.
Although Odium was successful in these initial conflicts, he was weakened and severely wounded by them.
Battle with Honor
Next, over seven-thousand Rosharan years before the True Desolation, Odium set out for Rosharan system, seeking to kill either Honor, Cultivation, or both. According to the Eila Stele, he was brought by the humans from another world, and the singers considered him a human god. It can be assumed that Odium was crucial in the breakdown of the relations between the two species. Eventually, for unknown reasons, a swap occurred, whereupon singers came to worship Odium while humans began serving Honor and Cultivation. Both sides created their own immortal armies - Odium, the Fused, and Honor, the Heralds.
Honor fought Odium with assistance from Cultivation, and the two bound him to one of the system's planets, Braize, and somehow also prevented him from acting directly against most individuals on Roshar. Honor additionally crafted the Oathpact, which would use the Heralds to imprison Odium's forces on Braize along with their master. However, Odium was a much better fighter, and Honor was killed, though he inflicted a deep wound on Odium.
It's also assumed that Odium is somehow involved with the destruction of Ashyn in the first place. The "Shyn" destroyed their planet through unchecked surgebinding, then made a deal with honor to migrate to Roshar and inhabit "Shin"ovar. I'm assuming we get much more backstory on what happened in the second set of 5 books, when we start getting POV's from the different Heralds. I think Isshar was actually pretty instrumental in both destroying their planet and then rejecting Odium as a result and setting up the pact with Honor. Why the Singers switched sides is a big mystery.
https://coppermind.net/wiki/Odium
I don't believe humans on Roshar or Singers were created by Shards, but by Adonalsium. I think what happened with Mistborn was rare due to how their shards intents were in synergy to create.
Creation and initial killings Edit
Odium was created at the Shattering, around ten-thousand Rosharan years before the True Desolation, when the creator god, Adonalsium, was killed by sixteen people, splitting it into sixteen Shards. One of those killers was Rayse, who chose for himself the Shard of Odium.
At some point after Ascending, Odium went after one of his fellow Shards, Ambition, as he felt most threatened by her Intent. However, before he could find her, he located two other Shards, Devotion and Dominion, in the Selish system. Because they had settled together, Odium attacked them, since he could argue that they were breaking the agreement the Vessels made about not being in the same system as another Shard. Through means unknown, Odium killed and Splintered them both.To prevent their remaining power from gaining intelligence of its own, he then pulled it out of the Spiritual Realm and into the Cognitive, creating the Dor and causing Sel's magic systems to become location-dependent. He wasn't very experienced at the time, and his countermeasure failed as the Dor did, indeed, begin to gain a measure of sentience.
After creating the Dor, Odium went on to the Threnodite system, where he found and attacked his initial target, Ambition. During the fight, Ambition was dealt a grievous wound, and chunks of her power were flung across the system. Ambition managed to flee the system, but was still Splintered in a fight with Odium.The Shard Mercy was also involved in at least one battle with Ambition and Odium. These clashes resulted in a wound in the Spiritual Realm and had "disturbing" effects that "twisted" the planet Threnody and its inhabitants.
Although Odium was successful in these initial conflicts, he was weakened and severely wounded by them.
Battle with Honor
Next, over seven-thousand Rosharan years before the True Desolation, Odium set out for Rosharan system, seeking to kill either Honor, Cultivation, or both. According to the Eila Stele, he was brought by the humans from another world, and the singers considered him a human god. It can be assumed that Odium was crucial in the breakdown of the relations between the two species. Eventually, for unknown reasons, a swap occurred, whereupon singers came to worship Odium while humans began serving Honor and Cultivation. Both sides created their own immortal armies - Odium, the Fused, and Honor, the Heralds.
Honor fought Odium with assistance from Cultivation, and the two bound him to one of the system's planets, Braize, and somehow also prevented him from acting directly against most individuals on Roshar. Honor additionally crafted the Oathpact, which would use the Heralds to imprison Odium's forces on Braize along with their master. However, Odium was a much better fighter, and Honor was killed, though he inflicted a deep wound on Odium.
It's also assumed that Odium is somehow involved with the destruction of Ashyn in the first place. The "Shyn" destroyed their planet through unchecked surgebinding, then made a deal with honor to migrate to Roshar and inhabit "Shin"ovar. I'm assuming we get much more backstory on what happened in the second set of 5 books, when we start getting POV's from the different Heralds. I think Isshar was actually pretty instrumental in both destroying their planet and then rejecting Odium as a result and setting up the pact with Honor. Why the Singers switched sides is a big mystery.
Thanks. I'm pretty sure I was aware of most of that but hadn't pieced it together succinctly. I love the cosmere but one of the issues with it being so vast is not knowing which answers I missed and which just haven't been given yet.
You are welcome! That's all stuff that has been gleaned from The Sunlit Man, ROW, and back, i don't believe be any WAT spoilers in there, by the way. He drops all this very subtly, usually in the epigraphs. Reddit is very good at piecing it all together though.
Sister found this cosplay online. These people are so damn creative these days.
Finished last night, glad i returned to it. The story was pretty good, but the world and the magic system are awesome. Excited to see where the rest of the series goes. I think i'll probably go ahead and knock out Era 1 now before i pick up Oathbringer.boy09 said:
Good news. I picked Mistborn 1 back up after i finished Edgedancer. It gets A LOT better after the first 10-12 chapters. I feel like in SA we're introduced to characters and the magic system slowly so it's easier to digest. In the Final Empire you just get 30 characters and the entire magic system dumped on you all at once. I just had a hard time with it. But about halfway through Part 2 it finds its stride.
Here's a good SLA 1-4 recap if you have three hours to kill…
State of Sanderson 2024 out today. Love how open he is with his readers. Even if you aren't a fan there is a really interesting section about getting movies made on his books from his perspective.
If you are just interested in his upcoming books Ghostbloods trilogy is Mistborn era 3:
Fall 2025: Isles of the Emberdark (Crowdfunding fulfillment)
December 2025: Tailored Realities
Early 2026: Isles of the Emberdark (Tor release)
Spring/Summer 2026: Skyward Legacy One (?)
December 2026: Dark One or Isaac's Cosmere Novel
Sometime 2027: Dark One or Isaac's Cosmere Novel
December 2028: Ghostbloods 1
Summer 2029: Elantris 2
December 2029: Ghostbloods 2
Summer 2030: Elantris 3
December 2030: Ghostbloods 3
December 2031: Stormlight 6
https://www.brandonsanderson.com/blogs/blog/state-of-the-sanderson-2024
If you are just interested in his upcoming books Ghostbloods trilogy is Mistborn era 3:
Fall 2025: Isles of the Emberdark (Crowdfunding fulfillment)
December 2025: Tailored Realities
Early 2026: Isles of the Emberdark (Tor release)
Spring/Summer 2026: Skyward Legacy One (?)
December 2026: Dark One or Isaac's Cosmere Novel
Sometime 2027: Dark One or Isaac's Cosmere Novel
December 2028: Ghostbloods 1
Summer 2029: Elantris 2
December 2029: Ghostbloods 2
Summer 2030: Elantris 3
December 2030: Ghostbloods 3
December 2031: Stormlight 6
https://www.brandonsanderson.com/blogs/blog/state-of-the-sanderson-2024
Dude is a machine. All of that in addition to all his other IRL projects is insane to me. That being said, super excited for Era 3. It's my most anticipated now for future works, bar none.
I guess, now that i'm done with WaT, I should look at a reread of Era 2 and finally reading the Lost Metal. I don't know if i'm going to reread the entire thing. I've read the first at least 2 or 3 times, and remember most. I kind of remember the reveal to the second. Bands of Mourning I remember being awesome, so I really want to reread that.
Honestly, I remember Steris' growth from an annoying character to a fantastic one in Bands of Mourning, so I may just reread everything to experience that growth again.
I also still have all the Secret Project books of his I need to read.
Honestly, I remember Steris' growth from an annoying character to a fantastic one in Bands of Mourning, so I may just reread everything to experience that growth again.
I also still have all the Secret Project books of his I need to read.
Steris became a favorite of mine in Bands
I was also happy to see lost metal leatherbound next year to complete the set
I was also happy to see lost metal leatherbound next year to complete the set
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Sterris is awesome. It's not just her growth that is so fun to watch, but her relationship with Wax. The way it goes from political marriage to a healthy, supportive and loving marriage is very genuine and endearing.
Sanderson is very good at writing relationships with couples who learn to grow together and balance each other.
I'm so in for Elantris sequels.
Me too. I'm listening to Elantris with my daughter right now.