I liked the RIse of Skyalker and want to talk about the movie - the Official Thread

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Liquid Wrench
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Isn't making your own final lightsaber something like Confirmation for a Jedi?

Remember in ROTJ, Vader says to Luke, "I see you have constructed a new lightsaber. Your skills are complete."

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I'm pretty sure she fabricated that lightsaber after the battle of Exogel. She cut off the top of her staff and made it from that.
I think the real question is regarding the Kyber crystal she used. Did she:
1) go get her own and make it from that
2) use the blue and green crystals from Luke and Leias to make hers (don't remember my primary colors... does that make gold... ha)

What color did the Jedi Temple Guards have. Was it gold? I need to go back and check.
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Body By Fisher said:

Isn't making your own final lightsaber something like Confirmation for a Jedi?

Remember in ROTJ, Vader says to Luke, "I see you have constructed a new lightsaber. Your skills are complete."


Yes, it typically is, which fits in with my assertion that she built hers after defeating the emperor. Either way, I like the fact that it was yellow, like Bastila (Legends) and the Jedi Temple Guards (canon).

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The second viewing elevated the movie greatly for both my wife and myself.

Top 4 SW movie.
Fat Bib Fortuna
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Love seeing all the responses on here. I feel like Poe coming up over the Star Destroyer to see Lando has brought the rest of the galaxy in for the fight.

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I wonder who the two stormtroopers that Rey did the mind trick on were. I'm assuming celebrities of some sort.
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Saw it with my sisters at the world premiere. Took my 3yo son Saturday night. Took my father Sunday evening. Forget all the Rian vs JJ BS. This is the last damn STAR WARS in the saga. The OT came out before I was born but every time the movies were shown on TV, my father and I would watch. Then the prequels came out and I got to experience Star Wars in theaters myself. Now I have my own child who fking loves Star Wars and got to share the theater experience with him. All 3 times I saw TROS, it was damn worth it.
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Thanks for the saber responses. I didn't notice her staff was shorter. Need a 2nd viewing.

Regarding the color question, yellow is a primary color (blue and yellow make green) so she had to find a crystal somewhere.

Can't help but wonder if we'll see Rey again. Probably not soon, but I bet we will.
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I think this is my favorite thing about the movie:

I wasn't upset at Luke's limited role because everything else worked so well. Overall I'm still miffed how this trilogy chose to use him, but we've all had that talk before.

This was Rey, Fin, and Poes journey and they nailed it. And Adam Driver was the MVP that brought it all together.
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First off, thanks for starting this thread because I loved it and the amount of criticism of this film borders on the absurd to me given it's Star Wars.

The main word I'd use for The Rise of Skywalker is sentimental. I could feel that Abrams was sentimental about Star Wars from way The Force Awakens was. Maybe it was too on the nose from the original trilogy for some, but to me it was what I needed after the prequels to get back to where things started, where I got hooked on this universe. What Rian Johnson did with The Last Jedi was about erasing sentiment, it felt like he was trying to say that what a lot of us like about Star Wars is dumb, and he knows better than we do. Some people liked/loved it, I didn't, and I tried. I think it was a mistake to have him direct part of this trilogy, but I think he's a great choice for developing his own trilogy outside of the Skywalker material.

People seem to be upset that Abrams was trying to appease fans, I would like to thank him for creating a film that is about fan service, that's exactly what I wanted for the closure of the Skywalker saga. I like that Rey has a lineage that goes back to the original trilogy. I think that while it's certainly not perfect, it's better than Anakin being born as a result of immaculate conception, the force just creating him in a woman's womb is far less appealing than her being a secret grandchild of Palpatine.

Specific items of fan service:
-Luke raising the X-Wing.
-Han and Ben reconciling.
-Leia getting Jedi training, having her own light saber.
-Chewie gets a medal.
-Ewoks.
-The redemption of Ben.
-Excellent droid moments.
-One last sunset on Tattoine

There were also scenes that brought me back to non-Star Wars sagas like Marvel when the entire sky fills with ships heeding the call for help, at the moment when all appears to be lost, just like when Cap is ready to take on Thanos and his army all by himself. Rey hearing the voices of all the Jedis before her when she doesn't think she can beat Palpatine, similar to when Harry Potter is battling Voldemort in The Deathly Hallows.

I think this film is exactly what every individual wants it to be. If you want to look for holes and be disappointed, you'll find them. If you want to see the film a kid wants to see close out the Skywalker saga, that's what you get

The only thing I think would have been fun to add in, just to throw gas on the fire of criticism was for Rey's personal light saber to have been pink vs yellow. I think that would have just infuriated so many people, but I have a daughter, she loves pink, if she could have a light saber, that's what color she'd pick.
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PatAg said:

I wonder who the two stormtroopers that Rey did the mind trick on were. I'm assuming celebrities of some sort.
One is definitely Ed Sheeran and Mark Hamill said the other is Harry Styles, I tried to listen as closely as possible the second time and feel that's probably accurate. Not sure Mark Hamill would know who Harry Styles is if he hadn't been in a movie with him.
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PatAg said:

I wonder who the two stormtroopers that Rey did the mind trick on were. I'm assuming celebrities of some sort.

I think the one on the left of the screen was Ryan Reynolds. Sure sounded like him.
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We all got to "take one last look at our friends".

And it was AWESOME!
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Unabashedly loved it. Won't ever change my mind on it the way the others in the ST waned a bit.

Fan service moments only caused the smallest of eyerolls (mostly on Ewoks) and I can't remember a SW movie that didn't make me roll my eyes a few times. Don't care.

Got me in the emotional "feels" both ups and downs several times:
  • Chewie - NO!!!!! (but then I thought no way did they kill chewie too... i'll riot if they did)
  • Leia - expected but what a great way to do it tying into Kylo's downfall and redemption
  • Chewie's reaction to Leia - perfection
  • Han - damn wasn't expecting that one I thought he was done and how they reused the TFA dialogue was genius
  • Luke - really well done a full redeeming of him too and the X-wing was just a moment of pure gold
  • LANDO!!!! - nice intro, kept it small but impactful, and he's just too cool and was allowed to be what he is
  • Palpatine - used really well in limited fashion but he was always the ultimate villain
  • The Jedi voices - great use instead of the ghost Jedi treatment for all of them
  • C3PO and R2D2 used to perfection - not annoyed at all by C3PO that's a first
  • The ending killed me - I mean had a I thought it through I guess I would expect that but it was just done perfectly with the double suns on Tatooine and her saber.

Look at that list - THAT is why this hits the right chords with most of the olds like me that started on SW in 1977 around the ages of 7-12 (I was 11). This was the new generation movie but every touchstone moment in there is old school - Han, Luke, Leia, Chewy, Lando, C3PO and R2D2 and Palpatine.

Everything I could hope for and ask for - and the new characters were central sure and their chemistry and timing and character arcs all worked. And some of their performances were incredible (Kylo/Ben in particular). But this was in the end serving the culmination of the OT (and PT). And it nailed it.

Bravo.

Considering how high I rank SW and ESB having this be 3rd or 4th in my book is incredible. I've got it behind RO for now but it could pass it I gotta see how it grows on me longterm with repeat viewings, etc. But it definitely ended about as high in SW ranking as possible (it wasn't passing SW and ESB).


My ranking:

------------- unparalleled----------------
SW
ESB
-------------really good ------------------
RO
TROS
ROTJ
TFA
----------- good not great --------------------------
Solo
TLJ
ROTS
------------ugh they are what they are but any SW is better than no SW -----------
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Tear-up moments:

1) Chewie's reaction to Leia's death
2) Luke raising his X-Wing
3) When Lando shows up with the "fleet" in-tow
4) Rey and the twin sunsets

Can't wait to see it again!!!
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"Chewie's reaction to Leia - perfection"

Yes, this was good. Seen it twice and my allergies started bugging me both times.
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I'm putting this movie at #4 behind ESB, ANH, and R1.

Unexpected things that I really liked:

  • Poe and Finn - by the end of TLJ I would not have cared if they had both died. They had become wasted characters that meant nothing to me. But, in this film they were totally redeemed by JJ and you got to see the original potential with them. The General / General scene was funny and great.

  • C3PO - the comedy here was so much more on point than the comedy attempted with him in the prequels. He was somehow less annoying whiny and more funny whiny.

  • Redemption of Ben.

  • Rey's running - yes, this is very random but in TFA she ran like a completely un-athletic moron. She clearly worked out and got some training for this film.

  • Keri Russell's armor and her ass. I had no idea she was in this because I went radio silent on this film months ago. Can we get more of her somehow? Please??!!! Damn, she fine.

  • On Keri Russell's planet with the Stormtroopers knocking on houses in the snow. My first thought was it could have come straight out of a town in Poland or elsewhere in Europe with the Nazi's having just arrived to take over. I thought that was a pretty powerful scene.

  • The horses - I think these are actually different than the ones in Canto Blight scene, but when I saw them running across the deck of the Star Destroyer I immediately thought of Krull. For the olds that recall that movie, it was a glorious '80s fantasy movie that actually at the time billed itself as a fantasy version of Star Wars. So, the full circle moment I got here was especially pleasing.
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I posted in one of the other threads, but I went to the theater on Friday with a feeling of bittersweetness in the pit of my gut. Star Wars has been a part of my life for 42 years, all but 10 of my years on this planet, and so clearly this has meant a lot to me. I was happy to see another Star Wars movie, as always, but I was sad that this is an ending to what they are now calling the Skywalker Saga.

These characters were a big part of my childhood. I was invested in them. While I did miss them in the PT, I found a new set of characters (or younger versions of existing characters) that came to mean much to me as an adult. To be honest, though, the new characters in the ST never really hit home for me until TROS. Clearly they had laid a good foundation for these characters throughout TFA and TLJ, but I just wasn't as invested in them as I always was with Luke/Leia/Han/Chewie et al. But this film managed to tie them (particularly Rey and Ben Solo) back to the OT, and suddenly I had a serious emotional investment in them.

I was an emotional wreck by the time the movie ended. It was mostly about the fact that the saga was ended, but damn if I was not super happy to see Rey on Tatooine, with that binary sunset and her yellow-bladed saber.

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Regarding Rey, I think she was one of the primary reasons that TLJ failed for me. You spend all this time in TFA building up a mysterious past for this character, and then along comes TLJ and she is ... a NO BODY? I get what Johnson wanted to do with that, but nope, that was wrong. But there was one clue that I could never get past, it was sticking with me when there were all these fan theories about who she was - she was a Skywalker, she was a Kenobi, etc. Her fighting style looked just like Palpatine's in ROTS. A flimsy clue, perhaps, but it seemed pretty obvious to me. I mentioned it after having analyzed the hell out of TFA to my wife and daughter, and pointed out that comparison. But then TLJ seemed to have closed the book on all of that, and I'd largely forgotten even making that prediction. Then here we get TROS, and when she learned of her roots, I blurted out just loud enough that my girls could hear, "I KNEW IT!" So from that moment on, I was micro-focused on her character (with the foreknowledge of that dark jedi Rey we saw in a brief shot in one of the trailers) - was she really going to turn, or was that an "always in motion is the future" kind of thing? Her arc was well done.

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I don't give a rip about "fan service". Or actually, I guess I do. If not for the fans, then who are these movies made for? Don't take a crap all over things the fans love or want to see, as Johnson did. Give them what they want.

In no particular order other than my #1 here ...

1. Luke lifting the X-Wing to the music from TESB. That was a huge emotional moment for me.
2. Lando. He didn't get a lot of screen time, but that was fine, and I loved when he came in to the room where Leia's body was, the dialogue in that scene hit me pretty hard (although now I don't recall what was said, gonna have to see it again).
3. Palpatine's statement to Rey about the dark side of the Force ... some find to be unnatural, or whatever it was, as a direct callback to ROTS.
4. Hi Kid. When he turned around and saw Han Solo ... yep, more feels.
5. Ben Solo's redemption. His mannerisms seemed to change when he was no longer Kylo Ren; he was more like his Dad. He was all bad-ass taking out the Knights of Ren.
6. Seeing Wedge albeit briefly.
7. C-3P0 and R2-D2. Handled well in this movie. From that trailer where Poe asks what he's doing, and 3P0 says taking one last look ... at my friends, I suspected that we might actually see his end. But what we got, instead, was some comedic gold (oldest friend I know statement, for instance). And having R2 bedside when Leia actually died was bringing the series right back to where it began.
8. Leia. I went in having no idea how they would handle her, as all of her shots would have been culled from previous footage that didn't make it into TFA/TLJ. But what JJ Abrams did with her character was brilliant. Her death was on-screen and was so very meaningful to her son and his arc. Never saw that coming given the circumstances of Carrie Fisher's passing.
9. Seeing Luke's X-Wing (Red 5) again, as well as his flight helmet.
10. A final John Williams score. I am actually getting ready to listen to it now, but my impression upon hearing it during the movie was that I didn't really hear anything new, necessarily, but it was still just damn good.

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I have seen TROS only once, but will get back to theater soon after Christmas to see it a second time. Will likely see it a time or two more after that.

My rankings for the entire saga plus the 2 stand-alone films:

1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. Rogue One
4. Revenge of the Sith
5. Return of the Jedi
6. The Rise of Skywalker
7. The Phantom Menace
8. The Force Awakens
9. Solo
10. Attack of the Clones
11. The Last Jedi
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Some of the scenes with Ren and Rey were incredible. The water scene on the Death Star ruins was beautiful.
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So the Leia scenes. I read that they re-purposed footage shot for the last film but was any of it actually used in TLJ? Or was it all unused material?
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I really enjoyed it. Was it frenetic and a bit clunky? I guess, but one issue with frenetic can be confusing and losing the viewer, and it didn't do that. I loved the "fan service", which is kind of a trash term to denigrate IMO. When it is crazy excessive and shoe-horned, okay. But I thought it meshed in well and really hit the mark. So many lump in throat moments. Han, Luke raising the Xwing, Chewy's reaction to Leia. I thought her sacrifice was so well done. I mostly see a lot of nitpicking out there while ignoring a lot that it did really, really well
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I also think the entire new trilogy also doesnt get enough credit for being cast incredibly well with the core group. Rey, Poe, and Finn were a great combo.
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Couple of other things I wanted to add that were sweet touches in the movie.

Rey actually wanted to hear the odds from C-3PO before wiping his memory.

Rey would check BB8's antennas when she would see him each time.
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Rex Racer said:

PatAg said:

I wonder who the two stormtroopers that Rey did the mind trick on were. I'm assuming celebrities of some sort.

I think the one on the left of the screen was Ryan Reynolds. Sure sounded like him.

TIL that I need a Ryan Reynolds-led stormtrooper movie.
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On Keri Russell's planet when the stormtroopers were going door to door, I heard one of them say, "Door's locked, move on to the next one."
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boogieman said:

Couple of other things I wanted to add that were sweet touches in the movie.

Rey actually wanted to hear the odds from C-3PO before wiping his memory.

Rey would check BB8's antennas when she would see him each time.
Also Rey uses a piece of scrap metal to slide down to the Lars homestead proper the same way she did exiting the Star Destroyer early on in TFA.
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I loved it. Posted that less than hour after seeing it Thursday night.

Been whistling dixie out my backside since. What a great weekend.

Couldn't possibly care less if JJ destroyed more childhoods. Just like with Lucas, mine remains intact and a fine memory.

Will see again.
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Rey actually wanted to hear the odds from C-3PO before wiping his memory.
Yep. That got me a little.
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Kevin Smith was in the movie.

https://instagr.am/p/B6bHiirFUdP
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MuckRaker96 said:

PatAg said:

I wonder who the two stormtroopers that Rey did the mind trick on were. I'm assuming celebrities of some sort.
One is definitely Ed Sheeran and Mark Hamill said the other is Harry Styles, I tried to listen as closely as possible the second time and feel that's probably accurate. Not sure Mark Hamill would know who Harry Styles is if he hadn't been in a movie with him.
I know they were in the movie as storm troopers, just didn't know if it would be them in that scene. interesting
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Junkhead said:

Kevin Smith was in the movie.

https://instagr.am/p/B6bHiirFUdP
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thin kevin smith is as weird as ultra-thin jonah hill.

I need my fat guys fat to make me feel good about myself as a guy who would be super fat if he wasn't so tall.

 
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